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Taeger Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:46 PM
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Dobbs on illegal immigration

Lou Dobbs is doing a piece on illegal immigration tonight.

Watch CNN at 6:00 ET, 5:00 CT.


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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:05 PM
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1. A Senator will announce the number of outsourced jobs tonight...
ET...the show is on now.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:18 PM
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2. Rep Crowley (D) NY says outsourcing is a good thing.
gin
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BoB Bonnet Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:23 PM
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3. Muticuturalism
Multiculturalism: Destruction by Diversity

I have come to realize that I must become a bigot—at least as far as mainstream America is concerned. I have come to this conclusion because I can not accept the idea that all cultures and religions are created equal. I can not embrace this current fad of multicultural diversity. Multiculturalism is not just another liberal feel good idea which has no real significance. Not only is it significant, it is dangerous.

Multicultural, in breaking down the word we arrive at Many and Cultures . What could I possibly have against America, the great melting pot of cultures, embracing the culture of say -- Sub-Saharan West Africa? After all in Togo a child can be purchased for $50 and sold into slavery in oil-rich Nigeria as an unpaid domestic servant or sex slave for $350. By embracing this culture we could solve not only the abortion argument—after all who is going to throw away $350--and have cleaner houses, we could also conceivably end incest and child molestation. After all, Slaves are property not people--at least in Nigeria.

Western European culture of the Seventeenth and eighteenth centuries was the dominant factor in developing what we consider American Culture today.

Consider what may have occurred had the first European settlers at Plymouth set up a government, and then for the sake of diversity, invited an American Indian to become their Minister of Transportation. The wheel which had been widely used for Millennia in Western civilization was not yet in use on the North American Continent. When man first migrated across the Bering land bridge, the wheel had likely been invented, however it was not as suitable as a sled for travel across the tundra and thus abandoned. The American Indian societies that developed on this continent had, with few exceptions, become stagnant at the hunter gatherer stage of cultural evolution and were just beginning to embrace permanent agriculture and trade. It does not matter how you choose to measure a society the Western European culture was better as it encouraged and rewarded the achievement of the individual. I am reminded of The Walking Drum and Kerbouchard’s boasting about the greatness of the Veneti. The sailor Red Mark simply answered “A ship does not sail with yesterday’s wind.” The achievement of its individuals is the only measure of a culture’s greatness. The great danger here is that we allow ourselves to hold on to the old way of doing things, by artificially supporting old or foreign cultural ideals, simply for the sake of not offending former members of those cultures. At the same time we suppress the individual drive that has powered American culture for the last 200 years.

Some may argue that I have represented only the worst of West Africa and the American Indian; that the good parts of their cultures should be embraced by Americans. I say they were adopted long before the founding fathers wrote the Constitution that shaped this country.

If Africa is the birthplace of modern man, as most anthropologists believe, it stands to reason that all cultures must have taken something with them from the Dark Continent. In order for a society to survive, it must develop certain cultural traditions and practices that will not only foster a harmonious relationship among the members, but also protect those members from the encroachment of other lesser cultures. Any culture that adopts a status quo attitude and refuses to advance or defend itself, is doomed to become assimilated; either through war—such as the aboriginal tribes of North America and Australia, or through breeding with the dominant culture—as in South and Central America. However, advances in culture are not automatic with time nor are they linear. The great Egyptian and Greek societies--through Rome’s own multicultural experiment--gave way to the chaos of Medieval Europe. It then became necessary to culturally backtrack via the Moorish and Saracen influence to once again produce a culture in Europe that would bathe more than one time a year. Indeed when William the Conqueror came to power in the 11th century, Cordoba not Paris was the intellectual and artistic center of what would become Western Europe. Now the so called American culture is not the zenith to which all should aspire. It is simply at the forefront for our time. And it is at a crossroads similar to the one Rome was faced with as she subjugated the world around her. We must maintain what has led us to this point instead of adopting the cultures of those societies that fell either to our sword or our accomplishment of creating a culture that so benefits its members that millions flock to become a part of it.

Multicultural diversity in today’s world has become a system of racist quotas and percentages. What is more demeaning to a man than to tell him he was hired based on his skin color rather than his ability? Who among you would feel comfortable telling your co-worker she was promoted merely because the company has no Asian supervisors? Dr. Martin Luther King’s dream has become the opposite of what he imagined. According to the multiculturalists the content of a man’s character is not as important as his ethnicity. The potential of any individual is not limited by some minute genetic trait such as dark hair or pale complexion. If Omniculturalism (have I added a word to the English language?) or the promotion of a single culture, is racist because it bases worth on belonging to the collective and not the achievement of the individual. Why then do we promote Multiculturalism that not only ignores individual achievement, but fractures the collective into warring factions by its emphasis on the differences in people and ignorance of the similarities we all share?

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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:37 PM
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4. welcome to DU
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 06:53 PM by cryofan
As for the content of your post, although it may be deleted shortly, I think you have some good points.

If you look at my sig URL (see bottom of my post) you can find some links regarding social democracies. The links on that social democracies page will talk about racial wedge politics is why America has never been able to develop the kind of social welfare states that allow Scandanavian citizens to no longer worry about their future, at least not to the degree that we Americans do.

If we Americans can ever learn that we working people of different cultures/races have more in common with each other than we do with the rich talking heads on TV and the well paid politicians and pundits, we could radically improve our quality of life.

That said, I agree that European culture is the best, although it is far far from perfect.

Also, I think that homogeneous nations and cultures work better, and that as far as the working people go, the less diverse and more homogeneous the nation, the better the quality of life for its citizens. At least that is the case with the Scandanavian nations. Diversity of race and culture is probably a weakness, as it allows the upper classes to divide the populace.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 08:37 PM
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6. ...we...have more in common with each other...
the way i put it at work the other day is:
we got more in common with a crack whore than we do ross perot...a few weeks without a job and we're all sleepin' under the same bridge.
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:47 PM
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5. That's not really the point.
The argument against illegal immigration is based on how there is already a labor surplus (i.e. cyclical unemployment) and how we don't want exploitation of illegals to cause further unemployment.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 08:50 PM
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7. Well....
:What is more demeaning to a man than to tell him he was hired based on his skin color rather than his ability?"


Not giving him a job at all after enslaving the persons ancestors for generations and them locking them out of the conomy for further generations. That is how it happened you know.

I'm white, I can handle it. It is a small price to pay considering the injustice we are seeking to correct.

Now I am 100% against illegal imigration but not because I fear or resent other cultures or think mine is better than all others.
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