Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

About the October Surprise of 1980

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:26 PM
Original message
Poll question: About the October Surprise of 1980
We've read a lot about what "October Surprise" George Bush may be cooking up for this Fall, but what are your thoughts about the original? Did George HW Bush, William Casey and others conspire with the Iranian government to delay the release of the hostages in exchange for arms, or is there nothing to it, and it was just an innocent coincidence that the hostages were not released until Ronald Reagan's inauguration?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:29 PM
Response to Original message
1. Robert Parry's "October Surprise" archive
is a good online source of information:

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:39 PM
Response to Original message
2. Paul Wilcher, "Desert Claw"
"On or about May 21, 1993, Washington attorney Paul Wilcher went to the Department of Justice and hand delivered a letter claiming holdover DOJ employees from the Reagan-Bush era were responsible for a number of government cover ups, unbeknownst to the Attorney General and President Clinton. The 100 page letter was addressed to Janet Reno. On or about June 11, Wilcher was interviewed regarding the contents of the letter. Later, after days of not hearing from him, worried friends contacted the police, who went to Wilcher’s apartment on June 23. His decomposing body was found propped on a toilet."

The content of Wilcher's letter pertaining to October Surprise:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/Paul_Wilcher_October_Surprise.htm


Also, good reading as well in this archived thread on the possible sabotage of Carter's hostage rescue mission, Desert Claw:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=629531#632298
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 10:04 PM
Response to Original message
3. Pruneface Reagan was a frontman. Poppy was the hitman.
The brains behind October Surprise, Iran-Contra, the S&L lootings, BNL Arms-for-Iraq, BCCI and on and on is named George Poppy Bush. And eveb HE's a frontman for the BFEE, for lack of a better term, for the Secret Government hell-bent on turning earth into a feudal estate populated by 1 percent slaveowners and 99 percent slaves (minus the billions dead in WW4, so, as Poppy says, they shouldn't complain).

Here's a nice recap (I'd swear you wrote this, Minstrel Boy!):

A Brief Background on Iran-Contra

The actions of leaders long gone are the building blocks for present day society. One of the precepts that the United States stands on is that in theory, the Executive and Legislative Branches are a cohesive unit. The President and Congress, when in disagreement, formed a “modus vivendi” wherefore any issues that were in dispute could be reasonably settled. Congress would be a, “loyal opposition,” if necessary, but the President also realized that it was that body’s job to perform the, “governing the country.” (McFarlane, 1994, p. 357) Two “scandals” almost toppled the aforementioned pillar of United States power. The Middle Eastern country of Iran received, “arms for hostages,” and the money acquired by the United States for such sales went to Nicaraguan “Contras,” or, “rebels.” These two interrelated scandals had a further thing in common. Both went forward with knowledge of Executive Branch officials yet no approval by the Legislative Branch. One of the key “players” in the both “scandals” was the National Security Council’s Oliver North. (Fried, 1997, pp. 63-64) Reaching to the highest levels of government, North told Congress he thought, “he was acting under the authority of the Commander in Chief.”(Fried, p. 69)


The Key Figures Involved

Government officials from the CIA to the National Security Council to the Armed Forces participated in “Iran-Contra.” An issue, relating to the far reaching consequences of this, “scandal,” is not what they did, per se, but the fact that most of them got away with no jail time. Secretary of Defense, Casper Weinburger, the C.I.A.’s Duane Claridge and others were “pardoned” in 1992 by, “lameduck,” President, George Bush. It has been inferred that President Bush waited until after the 1992 election so this action did not hurt his re-election bid. (Fried, p. 72) The National Security Council’s Oliver North and Admiral John Poindexter served no time. The Court of Appeals ruled, “that their trials had been tainted by immunized testimony before Congress.” Their convictions were then "reversed." After all of the “pardons” were handed down and the court decisions were “reversed” the only “key figure” to go to jail was Thomas Clines, who worked for the C.I.A. (Kornbluh and Byrne, 1993, p.327) One figure in the “scandal” was Robert McFarlane. His involvement clearly points to the main issue of the entire “scandal.” The issue is whether or not the ends of an operation justify the means. “McFarlane is a patriot, quite different from the others. He has been extremely helpful and ought not be put in the same category. But he stepped over the line. He got too close to the flame.” These words were spoken by Independent Counsel Lawrence Walsh about Robert McFarlane. Walsh saw that even the motives of some of those who broke the law were not bad. The law however still had to be followed. The act that placed McFarlane in Walsh’s eye was the fact that McFarlane lied to Congressmen Lee Hamilton and Mike Barnes. He told them that his “N.S.C. staff” did not help the “Contras.”(McFarlane p. 355)


Iran Contra in 1988

The year 1988 did not include many new developments in the “scandal.” That Oliver North was “indicted” for the crime lying to Congress, placed 1988 in the limelight as a major year in the life of the “Iran Contra Scandal.” On March 16th of that year, North was charged with the crime. This brought conservatives together in a movement that peaked when they “petitioned” for Oliver North’s official pardon for his role in the “scandal.” People of such fame as Jerry Falwell rallied behind North and raised huge amounts of money on his behalf. (Fried, p. 145)


Public Opinion of the Iran-Contra Scandal Since 1988

Did the ends justify the means? According to Judge Lawrence Walsh, Independent Counsel, the overall issue in "Iran-Contra" was "respect for the rule of law." (Walsh,1997, p. 517) Polls conducted of the American public found that the majority opinion was that North was not "heroic." (Fried, p. 4) Another poll conducted found Ivan, a 25 year old conservative Republican, who said that Oliver North did an "admirable thing" but, "he took on more than he should have." (Fried, p. 93) As with most governmental affairs, if one gets facts to show one side of an issue, there are facts available to discount them. Others saw North's actions in the "scandal" cast into an "Enlightenment vs. Postmodern" debate with North playing the "Postmodern" actor. He was the weathered war veteran facing those (Congress) who did not understand the situation. North's proponents saw North as wanting to preserve "our American way of life."(Lynch and Bogen, 1996, p. 254) These same proponents saw that "the <'Iran-Contra'> investigation constructed an event." (Lynch and Bogen, p. 7) This event, thought pejorative by Congress, was to them, "compatible with the discourse of liberty." (Lynch and Bogen, p. 268)

CONTINUED...

http://www.ncs.pvt.k12.va.us/ryerbury/aaron/aaron.htm


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 19th 2024, 07:47 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC