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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:53 PM
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18.000 CIA declassified documents on mind control?
if this website and information is legitmate..

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:tinfoilhat: ??


The CIA has declassified over 18,000 pages of documents on extensive mind control programs carried out since the early 1950s. Through the Freedom of Information Act, you can order these documents in the form of four CDs directly from the government for only $30. Here is a sample of just two of these documents taken from the excellent mind control summary on the informative website www.wanttoknow.info. With this revealing information, we now have the opportunity to powerfully work together for a brighter future.

A declassified CIA document dated 7 Jan 1953 describes the experimental creation of multiple personality in two 19-year old girls. These subjects have clearly demonstrated that they can pass from a fully awake state to a deep H controlled state by telephone, by receiving written matter, or by the use of code, signal, or words, and that control of those hypnotized can be passed from one individual to another without great difficulty. It has also been shown by experimentation with these girls that they can act as unwilling couriers for information purposes.(CIA Mori ID 190684, 1/7/53)

Another declassified document dated 10 Feb 1954 describes an experiment of relevance to the creation of unsuspecting assassins: Miss was instructed (having previously expressed a fear of firearms) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken Miss (now in a deep hypnotic sleep). Failing this, she would pick up a pistol nearby and fire it at Miss . She was instructed that her rage would be so great that she would not hesitate to kill for failing to awaken. Miss carried out these suggestions to the letter including firing the (unloaded) gun at and then proceeded to fall into a deep sleep. After proper suggestions were made, both were awakened. Miss expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened.(CIA Mori ID 190691, 2/10/54)

These are just two of the many disturbing experiments which reveal incredible abuse of power on unsuspecting citizens for over 50 years now. To order these documents directly from the government, go to www.wanttoknow.info/mindcontrol10pg#ciadocs. The 18,000 pages of documents released are only the tip of the iceberg.
There are many thousands of pages that the CIA refuses to release. There are even more documents that were ordered destroyed by CIA Director Richard Helms in 1973 when he was tipped off that there was going to be a Congressional investigation into the CIAs mind control activities.

For more on these and other eye-opening facts, go to the two-page mind control summary at www.wanttoknow.info/mindcontrol. Or even better, go straight to the information-packed 10-page summary t o www.wanttoknow.info/mindcontrol10pg. To understand why these facts arent getting extensive media coverage, and for ideas on what we can do about it, go to www.wanttoknow.info. If these facts were reported in headline news where they belong, caring citizens would be astounded and demand to know more. This has not happened, which is why we feel compelled to provide them here.


The wanttoknow.info team is a group of dedicated researchers from around the world who compile and summarize important, verifiable facts and
information being hidden from the public. You can reach us at wecare@wanttoknow.info
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:00 PM
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1. Thanks for the links ...
I've read up on MK-ULTRA and have been interested in what else they've tried.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:04 PM
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2. Interesting site, thanks.
Edited on Mon Feb-09-04 05:05 PM by Minstrel Boy
Nothing attracts derisive hoots of "koo koo! koo koo!" like the issue of mind control, but since we know the CIA has taken it seriously, shouldn't we take their taking it seriously, y'know, seriously?

There was a fascinating 27-part series on CKLN radio, Toronto regarding mind control. Transcripts can be read here:

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/radio/ckln-hm.htm

An archive of mind control info:

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/archv-hm.htm
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:16 PM
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3. That part about CIA Director Richard Helms in 1973 might be true, but.....
Many of the things they wanted destroyed and hushed up still got out. The INTERNET is the best place to find out about them also

Here is some more fun stuff to check out

We all know the media sucks, but who believes they engage in covert...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=729470
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:53 PM
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4. Whooooeee boy G! Now you done done it. This is a subject that
desperately needs outing, but the public isn't ready for it. Mind control has been going on for more than half a century now but you will never find anybody who you can talk to about it. They'll think you're nuts. Sometimes I wonder whether all the tv programs in the sixties and seventies was actually a conditioning program to make people ignore the fact of mind control. Ecerybody thinks it's sillier than UFOs.

What's particularly gruesome about mind control, is HOW they do it. If you really abuse a person, multiple personalities will develop. The more abuse, the more personalities. Each of these personalities can do things that it's other personalities are unaware of. Nobody wants to believe that our government could be so vicious. So when they say they created multiple personalities in those 19 year olds, then...
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 06:18 PM
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5. yes I have read a bit about it
Edited on Mon Feb-09-04 06:20 PM by G_j
MK-Ultra etc.
Some very intense first hand stories about child abuse and multiple personalities. Some stuff I would be very reluctant to share here, because it's not always verifiable.

I thought I'd sit back on this one and see what folks had to say.

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 07:20 PM
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7. And it's here where things get really evil:
"If you really abuse a person, multiple personalities will develop"

That's officially sanctioned, covert ritual abuse, and it really takes us down the rabbit hole. But just because it's too terrible to be true, is no argument why it can't be. There's much evidence that it is, to those with the stomach to seek it out (the "Franklin Cover Up", for instance). But it's the best defense of the perpetrators: to think such things have been done in the name of "national security," you must be crazy.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 06:36 PM
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6. "The woods are lovely, dark and deep, and I have miles to go before I sleep
Weird, some of this reads like a scene out of that Bronson movie telefon. Interesting, did Walter Wager have an inside connection with the CIA?

"Telephone" (1977)
Soviet sleeper sabotage agents throughout the US are being activated by a renegade Russian agent (Donald Pleasanter): Soviet and US agents Charles Bronson and Lee Remark join forces to stop him. The sleeper agents were hypnotically programmed to commit sabotage and suicide and given a cover identity. They are activated by lines from the Frost poem and their original Russian name. There is also a demonstration to a Russian official disbelieving the power of the programming that must have served as the basis for the same scene in The Naked Gun. From a novel by Walter Wager.
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Stone_Spirits Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 09:28 PM
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8. interesting, and scary n-t
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 09:49 PM
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9. Mind Control & MK-ULTRA - It's a fact.
Mind Control & MK-ULTRA
by Richard G. Gall
http://www.raven1.net/mk-gall.htm
excerpt:
Despite poor initial results, CIA-sponsored mind control programmes flourished. On 13 April 1953, the super-secret project MK-ULTRA was born. Its scope was broader than ever before, and only those in the top echelon of the CIA were privy to it. Official CIA documents describe MK-ULTRA as an 'umbrella project' with 149 'sub-projects'. Many of these sub-projects dealt with testing illegal drugs for potential field use. Others dealt with electronics. One explored the possibility of activating 'the human organism by remote control'. Throughout, it remained a major goal to brainwash individuals to become couriers and spies without their knowledge.

When it was formed in 1947, the CIA was forbidden to have any domestic police or internal security powers. In short, it was authorized only to operate 'overseas'. From the very start MK-ULTRA staff broke this Congressional stipulation and began testing on unwitting US citizens.

Precisely how extensive illegal testing became will never be known. Richard Helms, CIA Director and chief architect of the programme, ordered the destruction of all MK-ULTRA records shortly before leaving office in 1973. Despite these precautions some documents were misfiled and came to light in the late 1970's. They laid bare the spy agency's cynicism.

One particularly odious project was run by Dr Harris Isabel, Director of the Public Service Hospital in Lexington, Kentucky - a facility specializing in drug abuse. Asked by the CIA to discover a range of 'synthetic' drugs, Isabel began experimenting on captive black inmates. Anxious to please his CIA bosses he daily fed his guinea pigs large doses of LSD, mescaline, marijuana, scopolamine and other substances. In exchange for participating in the experiments, the inmates received injections fo high quality morphine, sometimes getting 'shot-up' three times a day, depending on their co-operation. Brought before the Senate subcommittees in 1975, Isabel saw no contradiction in providing hard drugs to the very addicts he was employed to cure.




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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:19 PM
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10. But...they're all back issues of TV Guide!..don't need drugs no mo'...n/t
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:33 PM
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11. Brainwash Experiments Still Enrage Victim’s Son
by Jacqueline Cutler
San Jose Mercury News, October 9, 1988

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As a child, Harvey Weinstein used to watch his father waltz around the living room, radiating vitality while belting out Al Jolson songs. After all, one can’t even hum along with Jolie unless one has vigor.
But the son saw something awful start happening after his father went to Allan Memorial Institute in Montreal in 1956 to rid himself of anxiety attacks. Louis Wein­stein came out of the hospital a listless, confused shadow of the outgoing man his son had known.

Nine years ago, the son, a Stanford psychiatrist, says he figured out why: His fa­ther had been brainwashed by a doctor paid by the CIA.

“In all of my years of psychiatry, I had never seen anything like this,” he said of his father’s downfall. “It fills you with rage.”

On Tuesday, the government confirmed Harvey Weinstein’s beliefs as much as it ever will. Although the CIA will not admit to any wrongdoing, it agreed to settle a lawsuit by paying Louis Weinstein and eight other Canadians $750,000—the CIA’s largest out-of-court settlement ever.

The nine, all former patients at the Montreal institute, charged the agency paid for experiments that used them as guinea pigs without their consent. The trial had been scheduled to start Thursday.

Had the trial been held, Harvey Weinstein would have testified both as an expert in psychiatry and as the son of one of the patients. He is a clinical associate professor of psychiatry, director of counseling and psychological services, and associate director of Stanford’s health center.

more...

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/brainwash-experiments.htm
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:35 PM
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12. They start them real young with this mind control thing...
The CIA's Homepage for Kids!

http://www.cia.gov/cia/ciakids/index.shtml
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:49 PM
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13. oh yeah, they start 'em young alright...
"George Bush, The CIA, Mind Control & Child Abuse"
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/littleboys.html

"The Franklin Cover Up" (with links to download the suppressed British documentary, "Conspiracy of Silence"):
http://www.thelawparty.com/FranklinCover-up.htm

"The Pedophocracy":
Part One: From Brussels... http://davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo1.html
Part Two: ...to Washington http://davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo2.html
Part Three: Uncle Sam Wants Your Children http://davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo3.html
Part Four: McMolestation http://davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo4.html
Part Five: It Couldn't Happen Here http://davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo5.html
Part Six: Finders Keepers http://davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo6.html

Today's CIA: We're not just crack anymore!
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:58 PM
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14. Where do you think they get their best talent?
Check out your milk cartons.
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