truhavoc
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Mon Feb-09-04 07:18 PM
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What exactly can be done with these companies? |
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According to CNN, these are the companies that have "outsourced" jobs to other countries. Is there anything to do about these companies?
3Com 3M
A Accenture Adaptec Adobe Systems Advanced Energy Industries AMD Aetna A.G. Edwards Agere Systems Agilent Tech. AIG Alamo Rent A Car Albertson's Alliance Semiconductor Allstate Alpha Thought Global Amazon.com American Express American Management Systems American Standard Amphenol Corp. Analog Devices Andrew Corp. AOL Applied Materials A.T. Cross Company AT&T AT&T Wireless A.T. Kearney Avanade Avery Dennison
B Bank of America Bank of New York Bank One BearingPoint Bear Stearns Bechtel BellSouth Best Buy Black & Decker BMC Software Boeing Brocade Bumble Bee
C Cadence Design Systems Capital One Carrier Cendant Cerner Corporation Charles Schwab ChevronTexaco Ciena Cigna Circuit City, Inc. Cisco Systems Citigroup Coca-Cola Comcast Holdings Computer Associates Computer Sciences Corporation Continental Airlines Convergys Cooper Tire & Rubber Cooper Tools COVAD Comm. CSX Cummins
D Dell Computer Delta Air Lines Direct TV Discover Document Sciences Corp. Dow Chemical DuPont
E Earthlink Eastman Kodak Eaton Corporation EDS Electroglas Electronics for Imaging Eli Lilly EMC Emerson Electric En Pointe Technologies Equifax Ernst & Young Evolving Systems Expedia ExxonMobil
F Fair Isaac Fedders Corporation Fidelity Investments First American Title Ins. First Data Fluor Ford Motor Franklin Mint
G Gateway GE Capital General Electric GlobespanVirata Goldman Sachs Goodrich Google Greenpoint Mortgage Guardian Life Insurance
H The Hartford Financial Services Group HealthAxis Hewitt Associates Hewlett-Packard The Holmes Group HSN Humana
I IBM IndyMac Bancorp Infogain Innodata Isogen Intel Intl. Paper Intuit ITT Educational Services
J Jabil Circuit Jacobs Engineering Jacuzzi JDS Uniphase Johnson Controls Johnson & Johnson JPMorgan Chase Juniper Networks
K KANA Software Kaiser Permanente Keane KeyCorp KLA-Tencor Kwikset
L Lawson Software Lehman Brothers Levi Strauss Lexmark International Lifescan Lillian Vernon Linksys Lionbridge Technologies Lockheed Martin Lowe's Lucent
M Maritz Marshall Fields Mattel Maytag McDATA Corporation Medtronic Mellon Bank Merrill Corporation Merrill Lynch Metasolv MetLife Microsoft Monsanto Morgan Stanley Motorola
N Nabco National City Corporation National Life National Semiconductor NCR Corporation NETGEAR Network Associates Newell Rubbermaid New York Life Insurance Co. Northwest Airlines
O Office Depot Ohio Art ON Semiconductor Oracle OshKosh B'Gosh Otis Elevator Co. Owens Corning
P palmOne Parker-Hannifin Parsons E&C Pearson Digital Learning Pericom Semiconductor Perot Systems Pfizer Pitney Bowes Planar Systems Portal Software Pratt & Whitney Primus Telecom Procter & Gamble ProQuest Providian Financial Prudential Insurance
Q Qwest Comm.
R Rainbow Technologies Radio Shack Raytheon Aircraft RCG Information Technology Regence Group Rogers Rohm & Haas RR Donnelley & Sons Russell Corporation
S SAIC Sanmina-SCI SBC Comm. SEI Investments Siebel Systems Sikorsky SMC Networks Solectron Sovereign Bancorp Sprint Sprint PCS Starkist Seafood State Farm Insurance State Street StorageTek SunTrust Banks Supra Telecom SurePrep The Sutherland Group Sykes Enterprises Synygy
T Target Tecumseh Telcordia TeleTech Tellabs Texas Inst. Thrivent Financial for Lutherans Time Warner Toys "R" Us Triquint Semiconductor TRW Automotive Tyco Electronics Tyco Intl.
U Union Pacific Railroad Unisys United Online United Tech.
V VA Software Veritas Verizon VF Corporation
W Wachovia Bank Washington Group Intl. Washington Mutual WellChoice Werner Co. West Corporation Weyerhaeuser Whirlpool Wolverine World Wide Wyeth
Y Yahoo!
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Dookus
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Mon Feb-09-04 07:22 PM
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1. The San Jose Mercury News |
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Edited on Mon Feb-09-04 07:23 PM by Dookus
(the main newspaper of Silicon Valley) had an interesting perspective on this today.
Largely unreported in the discussions on outsourcing is the fact that the US has a huge trade surplus on IT issues. Meaning, we do a lot more IT work for other countries than they do for us.
If we implemented a protectionist scheme requiring the work to be done here, the other countries could implement the same kind of scheme, thus disproportionately doing MORE harm to the US worker.
I still don't see any simple solutions to the problem. If a scrupulous company tried to keep all their work in the US, how can they compete the company down the road that's using cheaper IT workers abroad? Once we start down the protectionist road, other countries do the same, which hurts the US worse than it hurts other countries.
So my answer about what to do? Fuck if I know.
disclaimer: Silicon Valley tech-worker unemployed for over a year now.
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Mon Feb-09-04 08:13 PM
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7. A lot of that work being done overseas is shoddy, cheap but shoddy |
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why is the work shoddy? Well the goals of projects are poorly defined and poor communication between the US office and the office in XYZ country. The company I work for did some outsourcing and the product that was created had to be pulled, it pissed off a bunch of our clients and it had to be redone here in the US.
A friend works for a machining company and they lost contracts for the US Navy to Asia...only to have the Navy ask them to rework the shoddy work on the parts (the parts weren't within tolerances)...yet the Navy guy told my friend it was still cheaper to have a US company fix what was wrong than have the US company make it...
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Mon Feb-09-04 08:19 PM
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9. What do you mean by "protectionism"? |
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Requiring American corporations to hire Americans is "protectionism"? Giving them tax breaks to send jobs overseas is a "Free Market"?
Sorry, the double speak confuses me sometimes.
Oh, and which companies are outsourcing work to the US, by the way?
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Mon Feb-09-04 08:43 PM
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12. please don't put words in my mouth... |
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I raised an issue that was in the Mercury News today. It's an editorial - read it here. http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/opinion/7910310.htm
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Mon Feb-09-04 07:29 PM
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2. I don't have all the answers but |
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I wonder if governments could put a limit on offering contracts to companies that outsource or locate their headquarters offshore.
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Mon Feb-09-04 07:34 PM
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what the Merc News discussed today. They say if we do it, then say, England would do the same thing. And that would hurt the US a lot more than it would hurt England.
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Mon Feb-09-04 08:24 PM
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10. England has salaries similar to the U.S.'s. They are not causing the drop |
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in wages in the U.S. It is countries with IT folks who are paid much less than in the U.S., such as India and China, where the problem is.
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Mon Feb-09-04 07:56 PM
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4. Dont buy their products. EOM |
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Mon Feb-09-04 08:07 PM
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Boycott them. I don't reward bad behavior by companies with my consumer dollars.
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Mon Feb-09-04 08:07 PM
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Get rid of the tax loopholes. Label all those companies unpatriotic and label all the CEO's as traitors and shout it LOAD from the mountain tops. Make a law that if a company moves its labor off-shore, then the CEO's AND their families have to leave also. CNN needs to publish the names of the CEO's and the directors so we can start to shun them. I also think we need to force Ashcrofts hand and start having huge protest rallies in the streets. We need a renewed labor movement with the same intensity as he one in Chicago during the 1870-80's.
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Mon Feb-09-04 08:17 PM
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Sorry, couldn't resist.
But I agree.
I mean, :wtf:
We are unpatriotic because we disagree with this asshole and his beligerant, jingoistic political philosophies?
But these companies that say they are for America, while at the same time refusing to pay a decent wage and putting hundreds of thousands out of work so they can outsource labor more cheaply can go to hell. They want the glamor of being American companies but they don't want to be bothered by paying taxes? Fuck them.
They are the traitors.
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Mon Feb-09-04 08:36 PM
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11. an what exactly is a dem pres. going to do about it? |
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i see much knashing of teeth about those that vote repook but are facing having their jobs outsourced.
outsourcing didn't begin the minute chimpy stole thw WH. it was going on during st. billy's stint also.
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