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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:53 AM
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Hug A Republican!
from Bob Herbert's NYT column (2/9/04):
The credibility that he enjoyed during that campaign, and which reached a peak in the immediate aftermath of Sept. 11, has steadily eroded since then. He said he was a compassionate conservative, but he has hammered programs designed to assist the poorest and most vulnerable among us. His administration has taken a blowtorch to the environment. And his fiscal policies are so outlandish that liberals, moderates and conservatives are asking if he's taken leave of his senses.

During the run-up to war, the public heard ominous references to mushroom clouds and was encouraged to believe there was a link between Saddam Hussein and Sept. 11. It's time to put an end to the fantasies and the deceit, which have landed us in a quagmire overseas and the equivalent of fiscal quicksand at home.

It's not too much to ask that the president of the United States speak the clear truth about his policies and their implications. Mr. Bush would do himself and his country a favor by establishing a closer relationship with reality and a more intense commitment to the truth.

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And what is that truth?

First, two failed wars.

The long-forgotten Afghanistan can hardly be called a success. While bush* claims to have captured 2/3rds of the al-Qaeda leadership, is there any reason to believe this claim? The fragmentary nature of their cells and their international scope make hard numbers impossible to know. The Taliban is back. Warlords control the roads. Women are subjugated. Opium production flourishes. And the puppet Karzai clings tenuously to a fraction of Kabul.

The Iraq "war" is a fraud and a failure. Overwhelming firepower guaranteed a successful invasion and occupation. Now, increasingly sophisticated attacks by 'insurgents' (who would be called 'patriots' had the occupying force been the Chinese and the invaded country the USA) pick off our soldiers and Iraqis working with the occupying army daily. (Today, 2/10 at least fifty were killed in a car bomb targeting yet another Iraqi police station.) The numbers of the wounded are hidden. The numbers of Iraqi dead and wounded are uncounted.

And now, the rationale for this 'war' has finally been exposed as an utter sham. There was no threat to Main Street USA. There were no terrifying weapons other than the dangerous rhetoric of neocon warmongers. The sacrifices made by dead and wounded have not made us safer. If anything, fundamentalist Islamic terrorism is on the rise and the blunders of the Bush Administration have given this growing guerilla army a shooting gallery all across Iraq.

Saddam was a bad man. That does not automatically infer that Bush (or anyone on his team) is a good one. If one ‘regime change’ was good, a second one will be even better. Saddam never threatened the world, GW Bush does.

Second, the economy has been destroyed for all but those at the very top of the economic foodchain.

Corporations and their greedy CEOs are making more money with less workers and the bleeding of US jobs has becoming an outright hemorrhaging. What will happen when the bled-out workforce can now longer afford to be consumers?

In a sane world with a functioning free press, bush* would have nothing, absolutely nothing, to use as the basis for an argument for his re-election. (I know, he didn't really win the first time but this is long enough. I didn't get into environmental rape, health care scams or a dozen other festering wounds inflicted by this administration.)

But it isn't a sane world and we don't have a functioning free press due to the 24/7 propaganda/distraction pumped out by the corporate/cable media.

If only the republican base (not the .1% who continue to invest--very profitably--in the bush occupation) could be made to understand how deeply they are despised and used. The margin of defeat for bush* and all his cabal stand for would make vote manipulation impossible.

It's time for our preachers and our choirs to leave the sanctuary and form new alliances. We may not agree on everything, but we can agree that bush* has done nothing for us. Nothing for the US.

Failure to oust bush and his enablers guarantees expanding quagmires abroad and deepening economic quicksand at home.

If you're not already a millionaire, you have no reason to vote for bush* and little hope of becoming one if you do.

One would think that the theft of the "American Dream" would resonate with everyone who has not reached that plateau...

So, hug a republican, they’re suffering too. It isn’t only Democratic jobs that are vanishing. It isn’t only Democratic saving that are evaporating. And it isn’t only Democratic servicemen and women that are being killed and maimed.

Then remind them why they’re suffering. And invite them to join you in ending it.

(this post appeared--briefly--in a different form yesterday)
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:34 PM
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1. As Jesus would say Fu*% you.
:shrug: I ain't hugging no republican. I want them to experience their paradise first hand.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:01 PM
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2. and when the 'win' is a loss because the margin can be
'diebolded' I will return the favor. :shrug:
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:08 PM
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3. I felt bad immediately after my post and tried to edit and it wouldn't let
me do it. Sorry. I was just being a wise ass and realized after the fact that what I'd written was not only not funny but not at all how I feel. I need to learn to just keep my trap shut. :shrug:
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:14 PM
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4. What? It was a good post.
Maybe the title should be changed but the crux of your message is right. They have no idea why they are suffering.

I'm not gonna hug them though. A good whack to the head may do the trick.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:19 PM
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5. "A good whack to the head may do the trick"
maybe... but bashing people who should be voting in their own best interest it probably not an effective tactic. but good luck with it!

and, with the sub line, my tongue was 'in cheek' but, not 100%...
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:25 PM
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6. I got lost there
I should have just replied to your original post because that was what I was commenting on. But you both have great points. They will cheat and we all know it.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:30 PM
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11. you're dead right on this:
They have no idea why they are suffering.

and leaving it to corporate news will not educate them.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:48 PM
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21. I try and try and try
To get them to read. But they say they have no time. But they have time to go to the bar. Or to the movies. :eyes:

Educating them is not going to be easy when they are willfully ignorant. But it must be done. I agree.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:18 PM
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24. nobody suggested it was easy...

the subject line alone was a tough challenge!

but, there is no other way. each one, teach one.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:24 PM
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25. Well the first piece of BS to go should be..
Edited on Tue Feb-10-04 07:38 PM by camero
that the middle class are paying higher taxes because of the poor. Not so, they are paying more because the rich are not paying thier fair share.

I've pulled three over so far BTW. It just makes it harder when being mildly smart is almost an epithet. And staying informed.

You're right there is no other way.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:31 PM
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27. and if * gets his way
there will be NO middle class in the future. back to lords and serfs. and they'll pay us with spam and rice from the company store.

it doesn't need to be politics.

jobs, security and their children. some will still blame Clinton and fling themselves off the cliff for a glimpse of their prophet/hero but...
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:39 PM
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28. They plan to milk us for all we are worth
and then spit us out when we are spent.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:46 PM
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29. i think the "spitting" is well underway already

what is today's growth stock?

companies that provide outsourcing services.

besides, they're going after bigger bucks than we have. they're gutting the treasury and bankrupting the future for immediate personal gain.

that's GOT to piss off more than lefties! if it doesn't, WE'RE toast, not bush.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:57 PM
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32. I agree with you
I just think alot of them are not bright enough or are too willfully ignorant to come to this conclusion. They still have sugar plums of Horatio Alger dancing in their heads.

Them big bucks in the treasury come from us. :sigh:
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 02:49 PM
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23. meant to reply earlier
and got distracted by the new replies.

it's ok. done it myself.

i spent a lot of time on the post and getting one reply of FU was a bit of a slap.
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marie123 Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:26 PM
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8. what
you dont want to hug me!


:-(

I am such a good hugga
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:42 PM
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18. As long as you promise you won't try and pick my pockets.
I know that will be a tough one because it is what Republicans do but if you promise (and I'm dumb enough to believe a republican) then maybe we can work something out. ;-)
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:26 PM
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7. No WAY!!! They have cooties...
n/t
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:28 PM
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9. why do i get the feeling that you read only the subject line?

thanks for the analysis. not.
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marie123 Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:29 PM
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10. cause I only read the subject line
does that mean you wont hug me?
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:35 PM
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13. maybe after you've read the full rant
you won't want the hug. maybe you will...

let me know!
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marie123 Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:40 PM
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16. now I need a hug
what do you think I am doing over here?

what you have said is correct, am I bragging, far from it. I am just anther disgusted republican who needs a goddamn hug!
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:45 PM
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20. here ya go!
:hug: thanks for the comment! and welcome.
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marie123 Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:49 PM
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22. oh thank you
I need that
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:25 PM
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26. Well, when you put it THAT way...
Here's a hug from me. I'm a Catholic, so I certainly believe in redemption! Always good to welcome the Awakened Ones over from the Dark Side. Glad you're here.
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:40 PM
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17. I was being comical...
We laugh because we cannot cry.
Sometimes humor is the last thing we have.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:44 PM
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19. OK, and lord knows i do enough humor myself!

it's just that i worked really hard on that piece and it seems that most DUers are only riffing on the subject line without making any comment which would suggest they read the post. it's frustrating.

it's also important to bring as many into the light as possible.

as a wise person on DU once said: It's not enough to preach to the choir, you have to make the choir bigger.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:32 PM
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12. Yeah, I'll hug them...
I'll give them my big old 250lb. bear hug....won't let go until I hear a few cracks in the spine, smash his face into my chest with no air for, oh' 5 minutes ought to do, and he'll gurgle "Uncle!" before I let go....If I'm in a good mood!:D
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rhino47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:38 PM
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14. I hug my republican every night for 14 years
Took me awhile but hey hes voting Kerry this time around.Hes totally ABB !! all the way .
as for any other unnamed republicans .. ewwwww :puke:
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:38 PM
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15. No way!
That's way too close for someone who'd like to stab me in the back if they had a chance and could get away with it. They can suffer in the way they wanted us to suffer.

I see by the defections to DU that it's no fun when the axe gets them, too.

P.S. I heard that they had cooties, too!
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Thoth Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:53 PM
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30. Kick this one up!
Excellent.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 09:05 PM
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35. thank you markaren
and a belated welcome! to DU.
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Gung_Fu Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:06 PM
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33. Rise UP! Vote for someone who isn't corrupt!
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 09:07 PM
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36. just vote AGAINST bush
and i'll be happy!
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brainwashed_youth Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:16 PM
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34. I will
but it's only gonna be my mother or my friend julia.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:15 PM
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37. well, it's a start! n/t
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