Copy of Bush National Guard discharge... unsigned!

[wyldwolf]

[DS1]

1. and why would they blank his height and weight?

hmm?

[Az]

2. No medical records nt

[CatWoman]

5. HMMMMMMMMM

indeed!!!

what's that smell?

[spotbird]

18. Bush lies about his hight, I think.nt

[burrowowl]

3. Where did this come from?

Strange, not signing your discharge papers?
What does this mean?

[CatWoman]

7. If you are not available to sign your discharge papers

the military is obligated to insert that information in the signature block.

[theorist]

4. Question for those with honorable discharges:

Why would the "Married" and "Single" boxes be blacked out? I'm guessing that this is normal for documents resulting from a FOIA request?

[CatWoman]

13. FOIA

requests have to redact all personal, non related information.

[yowzayowzayowza]

6. Check out that...

CIVILIAN OCCUPATION!!!! Vewwy vewwy interesting.

[KansDem]

20. Help from my fellow DUers...

I tried doing searches on the employer listed and found nothing. Then I tried a reverse search on the zip code by entering 36148 and 36149 in both a business database and the US Post Office zip code locater (reverse--enter the zip code and find the location identified by that zip code). Nothing came back: no businesses, no addresses. The US zip code database had the message "The ZIP Code you entered could not be found in our database. Please confirm the ZIP Code and try again."

Do zip codes change?

Here is a link to the US Post Office website. Please, fellow DUers try and see what you come up with (the business database is subscription only and cannot be accessed by non-subscribers). I may not be entering the right numbers.

http://www.usps.com/zip4/citytown.htm

[soup]

43. Is the last number 0?

36140 Montgomery
http://www.mongabay.com/igapo/zip_codes_Alabama2.htm

[Screaming Lord Byron]

8. Couldn't spell campaign, could they. Suspicious?

[RBHam]

9. Blacked out his security clearance?

A bit too "high" for a simple guardsman?

Hey Georgie! Who's yo Daddy?

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

10. It says "NOT AVAILABLE FOR SIGNATURE"

Isn't that the contention?

B

[Screaming Lord Byron]

11. If we call the Texas Air National Guard TANG,

does that make the Washington State one WANG?
Enquiring minds demand answers!

[stevedeshazer]

17. LOL I'm not sure

I lve fairly close to the one in Oregon, though, and I cn tell you it's OANG.

[woofless]

23. I was regular Air Force

and we called ALL of them FANG. You can use your imagination on the F.

[burrowowl]

12. No military qualifications either

He must have qualified for something?

[CatWoman]

14. heh

how about "target"?

:D

[mouse7]

15. Where are the SPN codes I keep hearing about?

They are supposed to be decoded to tell the whole story of Dumbya's time in the service.

[KamaAina]

16. "Officer is transferred to ARPC (ORS), Denver"...

under "Reason and Authority for Discharge", above

Is that the outfit in Colorado that just released these records*? Did Bush* ever show up there? We aren't even sure that he* showed up in Ala., now we've gotta track this down, too? And why would he be transferred to some other unit after he'd just been discharged?!

Maybe he was back in Kennebunkport the whole time, playing with his GI Joes...

[mike1963]

34. Here's some info on the ORS

http://www.topplebush.com/article2_military.shtml

[Love Bug]

19. "Officer has a six year service obligation..."

"...and had completed 5 years, 4 months, and 5 days towards this obligation." I'm confused. I'm trying to figure out why he is being discharged prior to fulfilling his obligation. Reason and authority for discharge doesn't make sense to me. Can any Airmen here clarify this for this ex-Navy Wave?

[NNN0LHI]

22. The draft was ending. Junior didn't need to stay in any longer...

...to keep him out of Vietnam so he said see ya.

Don

[CatWoman]

21. Why is it in the box allocated for his race

"NA" is entered under white?

Doesn't "NA" mean, "Not Applicable"???

[woofless]

24. I think that means

Notable Asshole

[Catshrink]

29. Nah, he's "clear."

(Bill Murray to Michael Jordan in Space Jam:

Bill, Michael, and Larry Bird are playing golf and discussing whether Bill can join the NBA...

Bill: It's because I'm white isn't it?
Michael: No. Larry's white.
Bill: Larry isn't white, he's clear.

[fob]

30. I did a doubletake too, but I assumed it mean North American

but I like woofless' answer better.

[Nevernose]

25. Do people usually sign their own discharge papers?

I' djust hate to make a big deal out of something that later turns out to be S.O.P.

Can any vets who were disharged answer this question?

[wyldwolf]

27. see post #7

[rasputin1952]

32. Yes...

unless you are not there to sign.

Also under #23, Qualifications: not much under 'aviation'. In facy, it states he is unqualified, (by saying 'none), for anything. It does state that he is an interceptor pilot, but it seems to me there should be a qualification there. But, then again, they rescinded his flying status. But he never even qualified with a 45 or 38.

This was put together by someone who could not get answers, because bush wasn't there. No one would allow an NG-22, (equivalent to an active DD-214), showing their record of service with what is here. then again, they mailed this to him.

O8)

[Bandit]

26. Looks very much like my DD-214

My Discharge papers looked a lot different.

[Az]

38. Its not a DD-214

Check the lower left of the doc.

[fob]

28. Birthplace = New Haven Connecticut?

I thought w* was a good ole boy texan bubba! He's really a damned YANKEE!

I knew he was born in Conn, but I can't wait to use the above line with some repuke friends! He really is a Neo-Conn!

[mac2]

40. Bushs are Yankees

They are Yankees and summer in the north in Maine. The press went along with this too..like he was a Texan.

Bush was born in Connecticut...probably in a wealthy area. His father and grandfather rich guys.

[Malva Zebrina]

42. yup

I went to school in Greenwich Conn.. oh la la--this young student nurse met them all and even babysat to earn some bucks, for some of them, consistently. All very very wealthy and quite the elite.

They do "summer' here in Maine at Walker Point, in the "summer" community of "summer homes" on the beautiful, rugged coast of Maine in Kennebunkport.

It's a nice little trendy place with trendy little boutiques crowded in on it's Maine Street if you ever feel the need to visit.

In the winter, however, the place is damn deserted, full of ice and snow and the businesses are starving and most of them are closed. They have all gone to Florida.

None of them Bushes have done a thing for the people of Maine, however. Not a damn thing. This is a poor state but they continue to come here and leach off of the state while not contributing a cent to it.

Laura and her two dumb daughters recently went on a shopping and eating trip in NYC, I think. See, that is what is exciting to them--shopping and eating. Oh how wonderful to shop and eat and attend musicals!!

Please someone help us to get intelligent people back in as our leaders. We do not need crass, ignorant neuveau riche, bumbkins who like to eat and shop and attend musicals, and are not interested in anything else, representing us on the world scene.

We deserve better than the "let them eat cake" crowd.

[KansDem]

41. He bought his "ranch" when he began campaining...

Since Bush bought the 1,600-acre property in August 1999, his motorcade has been spotted several times, pausing at the lone stoplight in town and passing the two blocks of mostly empty storefronts before traveling seven miles down a winding, two-lane road to the ranch.

http://quest.cjonline.com/stories/122300/gen_1223007482.shtml

Gotta keep up the image, y'know.

[OneTwentyoNine]

45. And birthplace of his DUI in 1976....swept that one under the rug too...

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[Nay]

33. It is not unusual to see DD214s unsigned by the discharged person.

That "not available for signature" is exactly what is inserted in that case. Of the 50 or so DD214s in my files at work, probably 10-15 are unsigned.

[grasswire]

35. this is not the paper needed

The paper needed is the DD214. According to information given to me by Phil Carter, this is not a DD214, it's an NGB22.

[pinto]

36. kick, at bottom of form "NGB Form 22".

[freestatevet]

49. Unless he served 90 days or more active duty

he would not have a DD214. DD214's are for release from Active Duty, not Guard or Reserve duty.

[mac2]

37. Person serving was a stand in?

Has anyone thought that the person serving as Bush might have been someone else...thus the height and signature missing and no one remembers see him? He got paid...but his commanding officers don't remember him?

If I didn't show up for months, my bosses would have remembered no matter how long ago it was. You don't forget that especially since Bush was a powerful name even then. He wasn't a nobody from the sticks.

The rich paid for someone else to serve for them during the Civil War.

Who knew, GW would be Governor or President? His brothers were more than likely to be favored. They should have been but had issues...that prevented it at the time. They are getting divorced now so that in 2008...no one will remember. They didn't plan on Georgie ever being President so not much care was taken to get his records right..the story, etc.

GW admits to being a drunk and druggie until after his 40s right? He was born in 1946. He was discharged in 1973. He would have been 26 years old. Link: http://gi.grolier.com/presidents/ea/bios/43pgwb.html

If this was true, it would have been the same time as his National Guard Service. He was not capable of serving properly was he?

That's my take of the situation that reporters might investigate. See if all the ones in his flight group are still living and how they died, etc. Dead men tell no tales.

[tom_paine]

39. Funny, it's almost as if Bunnypants WASN'T THERE

You cn bet yer ass my and every legitimately discharged vet (severe hospitalization aside, I'm guessing) has their signature on their discharge papers.

This discussion is 4 years too late, but I guess we should be thankful it came up at all.

[Mobius]

44. "Not available for signature???"

:wtf:

[mac2]

46. Randi Rhodes Show says...no pay for Bush?

Randi Rhodes Show archieved on White Rose web site Link: http://homepage.mac.com/benburch/WRIndex1.html tells about Bush's record. Go down to Feb. 10, 2204 show..down load and listen.

He didn't always bet paid...so no pay records in Alabama and lied about the rest of it. He got a promotion when he was a beginner!!

Randi sorts it all out!!

[burrowowl]

47. I would like to know why

23 says he has no military qualifications?
You would think that being a pilot would be a qualifiaction.

[mac2]

48. Bush a pilot?

Go to Randi Rhodes show...White Rose archieves Feb.10th and listen. She talks about it. The archieved show has breaks but is clear enough.

[kath]

50. The form isn't signed because by this time he was already in Cambridge,

attending harvard Business School