Where in the World is James R. Bath?

[Stephanie]

Now seems to be the most auspicious time for James Bath to step forward and vouch for Bush's version of his military history, since they were together and good pals in the TANG.

One of Marty Heldt's documents shows that Bath and Bush both went missing from the Guard when it was time to take their physicals.(If anyone has that one handy, please post.)

Paging James Bath! Why aren't you defending your good buddy?

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http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/11/1447218#transcript

AMY GOODMAN: And what is Bath’s connection to the Bushes?

J. H. HATFIELD: Well he was also in the National Guard with George W. back in the 70’s which is interesting too because in 1972 in August, my publisher was able not too long ago to get hold of Bush’s national guard records. And in 1972, at the same time we alleged he was doing community service for cocaine arrest James Bath who was in the unit with him. Both of them were grounded for failing to show up for medical exam. 14:19

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http://www.texasobserver.org/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=480

After the death of Mohammed bin Laden, control of the company passed to Salem bin Laden, Osama’s half brother. The roots of the first known Bush-bin Laden convergence date back to the mid-1970s, when the two clans were linked by a Houston businessman named James R. Bath. Bath had befriended George W. Bush in the late 1960s, when they both served in the Texas Air National Guard. By 1976, when Gerald Ford appointed the elder George Bush as CIA director, Bath was acting as a business agent for Salem bin Laden’s interests in Texas. (Texas and Saudi Arabia were well-connected by this point through U.S. oil companies and related industries with operations in both locations.) In 1991 Time magazine and later other publications reported on allegations by Bath’s former business partner that the Bush CIA hired Bath in 1976 to create offshore companies to move CIA funds and aircraft between Texas and Saudi Arabia.

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[cosmicdot]

1. and, probably Harken Energy would come up; maybe the BCCI ...

I'm getting vapors just thinking about it

[Karenina]

8. Our Stephanie...

She asks SUCH QUESTIONS!!!

[Stephanie]

10. I'm just asking....

I think MY best friend from MY past would not hestitate to step forward if I needed a witness as to if I was where I said I was.

Karenina, I know YOU have an inquiring mind.

[havocmom]

15. Stephanie is a wicked widdle girl, she is. And oh, we love her so

The onion rings are on me, Stephanie! Windbag for a party after November? ;-)

[seemslikeadream]

2. James Bath military records

Has anyone tried to get those with the Freedom of Information Act like they did with bush? I wonder if he took his physical?

[debannbull]

3. Shouldn't be too hard

to find him, google found tons of Bath-ist info.....

[DeepModem Mom]

4. Have you found recent info?

[Bandit]

5. You have brought up a good point ~ was Bath missing as well?

Maybe his records haven't had the same amount of scrubbing that Bush*'s have received. Maybe if we get some goods on him we might get some other evidence on Bush* Let's see both of their tax returns for that period.

[0007]

6. Bath & junior were running, wheeling dealing snorting mates in those days.

"There is no indication President George W. Bush has met any of the bin Ladens, but he was indirectly linked to one of them two decades ago. His longtime friend James W. Bath, who met Mr. Bush when they were both pilots in the Air National Guard, acted as a Texas business representative for Osama's older brother, Salem bin Laden, from 1976 to 1988, when Salem died in a plane crash. Mr. Bath brought real-estate acquisitions and other deals to Salem bin Laden, an ebullient man who headed the family construction business. Mr. Bath generally received a 5% interest as his fee, and was sometimes listed as a trustee in related corporate documents. Mr. Bath acknowledged that during the same period he invested $50,000 in two funds controlled by Mr. Bush but said that stake was unrelated to his dealings with Mr. bin Laden.

Among the properties that Salem bin Laden bought on Mr. Bath's recommendation was the Houston Gulf Airport, a lightly used airfield in League City, Texas, 25 miles east of Houston........"

I lost the link source. I believe it was "The emperor has no clothes."

[Karenina]

17. To anyone scrathing his head

wondering who this James R. Bath guy is can start here:

http://www.namebase.org/main2/James-R-Bath.html

[DemoTex]

13. Damn good point, Bandit

Extrapolate from Bath's records and fine tune from there.

[Stephanie]

7. Here's the doc

[Stephanie]

9. ^ Bush & Bath, both suspended from flying, Aug/Sep '72

together, wherever, we go-oh.

What could possibly prevent Bath from stepping forward to defend an old friend? Maybe he could collect the reward!

[punpirate]

68. The critical point in this order...

... is not that both Bath and Bu$h were suspended at the same time--it's in one line: "Off will comply with para 2-10, AFM 35-13." That's a direct order. Bush disobeyed a direct order to appear for his physical. It was up to his superiors to initiate disciplinary action against Bush, but they did not. Nevertheless, Article 92 of the UCMJ makes refusal to obey a direct order a military crime.

[NNN0LHI]

11. Is it one of these James Bath's?

http://kevdb.infospace.com/_1_22EDU9104UZR1ZP__msn.main/wp/results/kevdb?OTMPL=%2Fwp%2Fresults.htm&QFM=N&QK=5&QN=Bath&QF=James&KCFG=US&top=internal&ran=883&from=index

[proud patriot]

12. LOL using Bath now would expose the bushies to more scrutiny

because of the ties to Bin Laddin's and other Saudi's

[Octafish]

74. Bath ties bin Laden to George W Bush.

... and to BCCI. The guy's a veritable BFEE Rosetta Stone.

Hope he doesn't get treatment Mr. Baxter suffered.

[DemoTex]

14. Laying low in Houston (with Lay?), according to this:

http://sanderhicks.com/billwhite.html

[Zan_of_Texas]

16. Wow

That's an incendiary interview.

Not much context, but it says that on October 29, 2003 on Candian TV, Texas Patriot and former Bush associate Bill White confirmed what until then was only speculated.

This guy says Bush Senior tapped Jr. in the 70s to do some things:



IN THE MID SEVENTIES WHEN YOU FIRST CAME IN CONNECTION WITH JIM,

WHAT DID YOU LEARN THROUGH BATH ABOUT THE EXTENT OF THE BUSH

CONNECTIONS AND THE BUSH HISTORY WITH SAUDI ARABIA?


Well Bath explained to me that he had been tapped by George Senior to set up a quasi private aircraft firm that would basically engage in CIA-sponsored activities funded by the Saudi Royal Family. He explained that the Saudis had basically entered into a quid pro
quo relationship with Bush and that Bush when he was CIA Director worked with the Head of Saudi Intelligence and they trained the Palace Guard to protect the Saudi Royal Family who was concerned about a fundamentalist revolution.

And it was at that point I think that this thing got kicked into high gear and the Saudis agreed to provide surreptitious funding to the United States to fight secret wars in Afghanistan and Nicaragua on the one hand and Bush as Vice President then sent AWACS and F-Fifteen Fighter Jets to Saudi Arabia to support Saddam Hussein under the
psyche that the enemy is my friend. We had the Iran-Iraq War at the time. And so that’s, that’s really how it evolved.

[AZCat]

18. Where is Simmons Bottoms?

That's where Bill White, the interviewee, says Bath is hiding.

<snip>
AND WHERE DO YOU THINK PHYSICALLY HE IS?

I think he?s at his ranch in Simmons Bottoms. He?s got a ranch out there with a landing

strip and I see his airplane flying over every day so I know he?s still flying.
<snip>

This must be somewhere in Texas, right?

[DemoTex]

19. Somewhere very close to Houston is my guess.

I lived in Houston in the late 70s and early 80s, and I have never heard of it. Probabably a local name for a small place. It might evan be the name of his ranch.

[Jacobin]

71. here ya go. It's in Liberty County

http://howdyyall.com/Texas/Search/CityFind.cfm?FindCity=Simmons%20Bottom

[Zan_of_Texas]

20. I'm in the area, and I've never heard of it.

It's not on a pretty big Texas map either.

Since it's a transcript, perhaps it's misspelled, or was not heard correctly.

[DemoTex]

22. Simmons Bottom(s) doesn't Google either.

Hey! Hey! Cannot say ...
Has to do with CIA!

[Fridays Child]

28. There is (or was) a town called Simmons, TX

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/SS/hrsdx.html

[AZCat]

23. Hmmm...

If he has a landing strip, might it show up on flight maps?
Do we have any pilots at DU that would know?

[Fridays Child]

38. Simmons Bottoms is the name of the road he lives on. His address is...

...publicly listed at www.infospace.com:

Bath, Jim
Simmons Bottom Rd
Dayton, TX 77535
936-258-7276

edit:

Evidently, it's also known as Highway 146 (per MapQuest).

[JetJaguar]

39. May be here

http://www.placesnamed.com/s/i/simmons_bottom.asp


Simmons Bottom

Simmons Bottom, Texas, United States is in Liberty County; location is 30°9'25"N 94°53'7"W; elevation is 94 feet

[Stephanie]

24. Wow. Who is this guy, Bill White? Is he still around?

Sander Hicks is the founder of Soft Skull Press - this is his interview.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

HOW HAD JIM BATH BEEN ANNOINTED TO BE THIS INTERMEDIARY BETWEEN THE SAUDIS ON ONE HAND AND FAMILIES LIKE THE BUSHES ON THE OTHER?

Well, Jim explained that in the early seventies when he served in the Texas Air National Guard that George Bush Junior, our current President had come on board along with some other Politicians’ children. This is during the Vietnam War era and they became drinking buddies and good friends. And then in nineteen seventy-six when, when W’s Father became CIA Director and the CIA was trying to privatize some of their subsidiaries, their air affiliates, etc that Jim was actually recommended to the CIA Director, George Senior by W. And that’s when the relationship got established.

<snip>

NOW JIM BATH HAS EFFECTIVELY DENIED HE PUT SAUDI MONEY INTO GEORGE W. BUSH’S COMPANIES AT THAT POINT.

I don’t know that he’s denied it or hasn’t. I know that Time Magazine when they began to investigate this got him to go on record, or got George Bush Junior to go on record having denied been in business with Bath just saying they were just personal friends and once they were presented with these documents then he recanted, Bush recanted and admitted that Bath had put money in. But my understanding is in the aftermath of the Nine-Eleven, the White House denied that any of that money was Saudi money. They were maintaining that it was all Bath’s money.

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[Octafish]

29. White recently was interviewed by CBC-TV.

They had a program on Bush and the Saudis re: 9-11 about six months back. White talked about Bath for 10 minutes or so. Did a nice job of explaining how Bath handled "millions" on behalf of the Saudis, including the bin Mahfouz and bin Laden clans.

White got into a tizzy with Bath when Bath co-signed White's name to a loan guarantee for one of his offshore tax-havens, a forerunner of ENRON-like tendencies amongs the elite later.

Here's a PDF of the CBC interview.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/white.pdf

[buycitgo]

that rings a bell.....were they sort of partners at one point?

can't open pdf

wasn't there some sort of lawsuit between them?

pls?

[Octafish]

32. Yeh -- big legal brouhaha. Here's why Bath's important.

Bush & Bin Laden - George W. Bush Had Ties to Billionaire bin Laden Brood

The unexplained death of Salem, Osama bin Laden's oldest brother, in 1988, brought to an abrupt end a long and intriguing relationship between President Bush and the head of the bin Laden family fortune.
 
By Roger Miller
 
The world now associates the bin Laden name with Osama bin Laden, the prime suspect be hind the terror atrocities of Sept. 11. As President George W. Bush leads an intense international manhunt for Osama, few Americans realize that Osama's eldest brother, Salem, was one of Bush's first business partners.

SNIP...

Osama embraced Islamic fundamentalism and is now the world's most wanted man. "Salem went on to become a business partner of the man who is leading the hunt for his brother," the Daily Mail's Peter Allen said. "In the 1970s, he and George W. Bush were founders of the Arbusto Energy oil company in Mr. Bush's home state of Texas."

President Bush and the bin Laden family have been connected through dubious business deals since 1977, when Salem, the head of the bin Laden family business, one of the biggest construction companies in the world, invested in Bush's start-up oil company, Arbusto Energy, Inc.

James R. Bath, a friend and neighbor, was used to funnel money from Osama bin Laden's brother, Salem bin Laden, to set up George W. Bush in the oil business, according to The Wall Street Journal and other reputable sources.

CONTINUED...

http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_07_01/Bush___Bin_Laden_-_George_W__B/bush___bin_laden_-_george_w__b.html

[buycitgo]

33. knew that....but here's why White better watch his ass

if he's talking about this, that means he's dredging up material that they mosdef do NOT want to see the light of day....although it's already out there, of course.....mainstream media treats it like Tuwaitha dust, though

that's what's so disgusting about those turdbuckles who call themselves journalists

watch for White to NEVER, ever do another interview, or to become as incommunicado as Bath......OR.....BBC

[Octafish]

44. You're right about BFEE ...

... SOP is dead men tell no tales. You probably know the name Danny Casolaro. After his suspicious death, one of the guys who picked up on the Octopus trail from Casolaro and wrote about a book based on his work also ended up dead, Jim Keith. There are others here and in the UK, Mexico and all around the world who died at the hands of the BFEE.

Regarding White: The only chance at surviving against such a beast is to go public. In the PDF, he talks about being in hiding. No doubt, there's safety in staying away from the crazy reich wingers. But to survive the BFEE itself, he needs the safety of public knowledge.

PS: If I could transform PDF into text, I would. That interview should be spread far and wide.

[proud patriot]

34. Great article DemoTex

:thumbsup:

[buycitgo]

21. maybe he's here, or soon to be

http://www.bushbodycount.com

along with this White fellow?

[Minstrel Boy]

25. I was just thinking the same thing.

"Mr Bath? Please remove your shoes, and accompany us to the roof of the building."

[Stephanie]

26. It's so sad

that I laughed at that.

[buycitgo]

27. I forgot

a big KUDOS to DU's own bitchkitty

she's the one and only force behind this site

she's currently working very hard at several jobs (including web design....contact her at BBC if you need work), and hasn't been around much

you could email her some support at BBC; she gets TONS of hatemail.

most of it's pretty funny (unintentionally so), some scary

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[Stephanie]

37. Yay! Your thread ain't nothing without a post from the GROVELBOT

Hi Grovelbot! :hi:

[David Zephyr]

31. Stephanie Knows The Question Every American Should Be Asking!

:kick: :kick:

[buycitgo]

35. fat lot of good that's likely to do, unless........

the dam really breaks on this.

if it does, he's toast, or they'll do some very very very bad things to the world

[Stephanie]

36. Stephanie Says

Stephanie says
that she wants to know
Why she's given half her life
to people she hates now

[DemoTex]

40. On pain of being "Baxtered," I'll tell a Jim Bath story ...

Actually, I told it right after Cliff Baxter was "Baxtered" without any ill effect. However, if I should die before I wake, I pray to thee my story to splash all over the front page. This is a very short story of very long connections. This is an abstract of a chapter in my work-in-progress.

Characters, Scene I:

Prince Kamyar Pahlavi (nephew of the Shah of Iran)
Doug and Morris Jaffee (names usually associated with the Texas Mafia)
A co-hort of Bath's
DemoTex

Characters,Scene II:
DemoTex and Jim Bath


Scene I:

DemoTex shows up at mansion on the south-side of downtown Houston to do article for an aviation trade magazine on Boeing 707 "hush-kits". DemoTex ushered into the plush office of Kamyar Pahlavi (DemoTex doesn't yet "get it"). Pahlavi has pictures of himself in AF garb in cockpit of Iranian F-4C Phantom jet. Also pics with a familiar looking guy. DemoTex wakes up and realizes he has been had. Shah of Iran! Mother-of-my-dog! Shah's nephew trys to snow DemoTex. No go.

Next stop, same day: San Antonio. They offered to fly me there on their Gulfstream. I took Southwest. Lunch meeting (at Luby's) with principals of company, including Doug and Morris Jaffe (Google "Texas Mafia Jaffe). Kamyar Pahlavi showed up with Jim Bath's cohort. The talk finally got social. Spook Stream. J. Henry Stream, married to country singer Lynn Anderson. Scion of Esso NJ. They knew him. I knew him (old friend's roomy at the KA house at UVA). I knew Lynn Anderson, too. The mayor pops in (Henry Cisneros) and says hi-what-can-I-possibly-do-for-you-great-gents?! Sycophant. Toady. Licked the re-puke mafioso's butt, I witnessed it.

(short dialog follows)

Morris Jaffee: Do you realize why you have to give a good review, in your magazine, of our Boeing 707 hush-kit?

DemoTex: I might. After the noise tests and my questions, we will develop an objective and qualitative assessment of your product for my article.

Morris Jaffe: Do you know the meaning of a walk in the Brazos River in concrete cowboy boots?

(Verbatim words of Morris Jaffe)

Scene II:

(A party at Houston Intercontinental Airport few weeks later)

DemoTex: Bartender, let me have another one of those Heineken's. Hello? Hi!

Jim Bath: Hi Mac! I read your by-line all the time! You are great. I've got a great deal for you... I'm Jim Bath. Have you submitted that article on the 707 hush-kit? (I didn't know him from Adam's house cat, except for his ubiquitous pictures in Trade-A-Plane! But he knew my name! Still scares me).

That's all I'll tell, but it's almost like a transcript of all of the events. I knew other names, and Bu$h was one. They were the top doggies.

Remember - and for the newbies - I was flying a JetStar II and Learjet 55s for Ken Lay during the early 80s. I met and know almost all of the current right wing players. Including "W". And remember, it ain't a story; it is a true story!

[Stephanie]

41. Wow! Thanks for posting, and f*ck 'em if they can't take a joke

Sometimes we wonder why all the pink tutus, but the fact is people are SCARED of these MF's. They're not kidding around! They will wipe you out as easily as they wipe out thousands in Iraq in order to bring them "freedom." Bush Crime Family is for real. They are sick, they are ruthless, and bottom line, they are not too bright. Beware.

Love you, DemoTex! You're my kind of guy!

[DemoTex]

42. Steph, dear, I've got tons on the BFEE

I just have to meter it out or else I look like a nut. What I really wish is, with my experiences and contacts with these BFEEs, that I had the intellect of Krugman or Conason. Still, with their inspiration, I plug on.

Love to you two, too!

Mac

(In Dallas now .. back to NC soon)

[Stephanie]

43. If you have more stories you would like to share

You should let us know. People here could hook you up with an interested journalist. There are still some good ones fighting the good fight.

[DemoTex]

47. Steph, am an aviation journalist with 25 years experience!

I'm just now branching out. Hook me up with an interested publisher! I will fight my own fight, and love it to the end!

Chiao for now,
Mac

[AZCat]

45. You flew LR-55s? Nice!

I worked at a flight sim place- used to crash the LR-60s all the time! Great story, by the way. We'd love to hear more about the BFEE- if you don't mind risking your life! (half-way serious)

[DemoTex]

48. I flew the LR-60 in 1993 with Pete Reynolds, Chief Test Pilot for Learjet

I flew the LR-60 with Pete from the Napa Valley Airport. I was one of four world-wide aviation writers flying the LR-60 on that dog-and-pony show. My review of the Lear 60 was published in Professional Pilot Magazine in the summer of 1993. I had previously done reviews of the Lear 25, Lear 35, and the Lear 55.

I panned the Lear 55 in a 1986 article. I was persona-non-grata around Learjet-Wichita until they fixed the problems that I pointed out (and that Fred George, David North, John Wiley, and Mac McClellan, the other four av writers doing jet reviews in the USA also pointed out, after me).

Pete Reynolds (Opie/Ron Taylor look-alike) and I did a host of aerobatic maneuvers in both the LR-60 and the LR-55C, including deep stalls at 45,000 ft. Prior to the ventral delta fins, the deep stalls at FL 450 would have meant funerals at 4:50pm.

[AZCat]

51. Didn't the LR-55 have serious Dutch Roll problems?

I seem to remember something about that...
I was too young then- didn't start college until 1993- so I don't remember all the early stuff so well.

[DemoTex]

53. Yep. All pre-Lear 55C had the same problems, basically.

The 24, 25, 35, and 55 were the same semi-straight wing. One would never do high-load banks (60-degrees) or high angle-of-attack stalls at 49,000 feet in a garden-variety Lear-O-Jet. The delta fins of the Lear 55C tamed the beast. All is well now in Learjet land.

[AZCat]

55. Speaking of Learjets and OBL (per your lower post)

Weren't there 4 LR-35s outfitted with 747 cockpits- designed to be used as trainers for one of the MidEastern Royal airlines?
If this is true, did any of these end up in Saudi hands?

[DemoTex]

57. Singapore uses Lear 45s (I think) as B-747 pre-trainers

I hesitate to call them simulators. If my mind is straight on that, I published an article during the 1994 Singapore Air Show on the Learjet training connection with Singapore Air. Probably in Aviation International News or Professional Pilot Magazine.

[AZCat]

59. Maybe that's what it was...

I'll ask my buddy about this- he's been a LrJet Instructor forever and he's the one who told me about them originally. I doubt he's awake right now, though.

[Octafish]

46. My lawyer's got your back, DT.

The guy's an honest attorney, too. Connected in the local circuit. My other attorney is reeeeealy famous. He's not so honest. They're both good.

[DemoTex]

52. My P-2! You remembered! Bless you Octafish!

DemoTex

Thanks to Webmaster Curt Wayne

[Octafish]

62. I never forget a Friend, DemoTex!

Always grateful, too, for your service and that of all the other men and women who've helped keep our nation free!



Never forget.

[Stephanie]

49. The other thing about Bath is,

I don't know anyone who knows anyone who knows the Bin Ladens. Do you?

What are the odds?

[BurtWorm]

50. I think George Herbert Walker Bush may know them.

He certainly knows bin Mahfouz. They're colleagues at Carlyle.

[DemoTex]

54. My mind is weak, but ...

I think Bath sold the NA Sabrejet 65 to Osama Bin Laden. I could be wrong on that, but I could be dead-eye-dick-on.

[BurtWorm]

56. Are you sure it wasn't Salem bin Laden?

Osama's brother?

[DemoTex]

60. Jim Bath certainly did business with Salem Bin Laden,

As did an architect friend of mine (who remodeled mosques all over the ME - as an employee of the greater Bin Laden family). I couched my recollections with "maybe" and "I think" and the like. Truth is, I remember a link between Bath and Osama .. at least enough of a hint to keep it in my mind!

[cosmicdot]

64. social diagram

http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb06?_BIN%20LADEN_OSAMA_

[cosmicdot]

63. I don't want to know anyone who knows anyone who knows the bin Ladens

being out of the loop where I am can have its 'advantages' ... at the same time, that low-rung position doesn't ease the condition of my role 'as victim' or feel less vulnerable 'to the System and the Man'.
Sometimes I feel like trouble comes knocking, and I'll just be sitting here minding my own beeswax.

and, glad it's on shrubya's watch ...
you know what they say about payback

I just hope he goes down with civility, and not retribution/retaliation

I was thinking about Al Gores handling of the post 11/7/2000 events - such a class act ... it was gracious and dignified ...

doesn't mean he wasn't feeling pain

[Octafish]

79. Good point. Here's why no one knows James R Bath.

The guy never registered as a Foreign Agent. By going on his business on behalf of the Saudis, bin Ladens, Khashoggis, etc., Bath (unlike, say, the late disgraced veep Spiro Agnew, who did register as a Saudi business agent) could move along incognito, making purchases for truly "anonymous" foreign types. One place that has a lot of money is the Middle East, where the oil is. Another is in Central and South America, where the drugs are.

EDIT: Know no proofreading mistake I haven't done. Title...

[TXDemGal]

58. Didn't Bath also get

a new TX drivers license number at the same time Smirk did? The new number for Smirk could be chalked up to "personal security" or some such b.s., since the number switcheroo happened around the time he was inaugurated as Texas governor. But what reason could Bath possibly have for getting a new number then, if not to cover up for the same shit that Smirk's handlers probably were trying to cover up with his new number?

[BurtWorm]

61. I'd love to see evidence of that!

There are a lot of worms in this can. No offense to worms, obviously.

[Fridays Child]

72. Great question! Bev Conover and Linda Starr...

...the authors of the June 4, 1999, article on Chimpy's driver's license might have the answer to your question.

Here's a link to the article, as it was re-published in 2000:

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Media/Redux/redux.html

[DeepModem Mom]

65. Is there any reference to Bath anywhere from 2000, or after?

Business article or journal, society column or marriage announcement, college alum magazine? Why?

[cosmicdot]

66. he could be the Big Smoking Gun

:shrug:

I have wondered from time to time over the last 3 years what exactly has he been up to

[Stephanie]

67. Maybe Bush's Guard records are in a safe deposit box at BCCI?

http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display/3642/index.php

<snip>

In 1979, Bush's first business, Arbusto Energy, obtained financing from James Bath, a Houstonian and close family friend. One of many investors, Bath gave Bush $50,000 for a 5 percent stake in Arbusto. At the time, Bath was the sole U.S. business representative for Salem bin Laden, head of the wealthy Saudi Arabian family and a brother (one of 17) to Osama bin Laden. It has long been suspected, but never proven, that the Arbusto money came directly from Salem bin Laden. In a statement issued shortly after the September 11 attacks, the White House vehemently denied the connection, insisting that Bath invested his own money, not Salem bin Laden's, in Arbusto.

In conflicting statements, Bush at first denied ever knowing Bath, then acknowledged his stake in Arbusto and that he was aware Bath represented Saudi interests. In fact, Bath has extensive ties, both to the bin Laden family and major players in the scandal-ridden Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI) who have gone on to fund Osama bin Laden. BCCI defrauded depositors of $10 billion in the ?80s in what has been called the 'largest bank fraud in world financial history' by former Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau. During the '80s, BCCI also acted as a main conduit for laundering money intended for clandestine CIA activities, ranging from financial support to the Afghan mujahedin to paying intermediaries in the Iran-Contra affair.

When Salem bin Laden died in 1988, powerful Saudi Arabian banker and BCCI principal Khalid bin Mahfouz inherited his interests in Houston. Bath ran a business for bin Mahfouz in Houston and joined a partnership with bin Mahfouz and Gaith Pharaon, BCCI's frontman in Houston's Main Bank.

[Stephanie]

69. Kicking for Froomkin

Next question!

[9215]

70. Here is some info on James Bath properties

in Texas and his wife:


My topic: "DU needs a Bath": http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1054942&mesg_id=1054942

Thread on Sandra Bath:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1110824#1110937

[Karenina]

73. My, my

the "Bath" boy seems to have "dissafapeered!!!" Was soll denn das?

[9215]

75. Bath muscled minor who reportedly got knocked up by Bush!

Desperate Measures : George W. Bush & Abortion
Bartcop <http://www.bartcop.com/bushabortion.htm>

Note : Apparently, the source of this story was due to go public this week via publisher Larry Flynt, but found out that Flynt was planning to make a tabloid sale, and changed her mind. Like George W. Bush's intervention in commuting the sentence of serial killer Henry Lee Lucas, this is a story that is circulating in the press packs, but that few people want to touch at the eleventh hour of the 2000 U.S. presidential election.

In the winter of 1971 George W. Bush was dating a woman named Robin Lowman (now Robin Garner). Miss Lowman became pregnant by Smirk and he arranged for her to have an abortion - which in the great state of Texas in 1971 was very illegal! Not to mention that George W. is running as a pro-life candidate for the presidency.

The unnamed source of this story, was a friend of Robin Lowman's and the girlfriend of the man who arranged the abortion. His name is Robert Carl Chandler. Chandler is a Bush friend and supporter from way back and he made the arrangements for Miss Lowman's abortion at the Twelve Oaks Hospital in Houston, TX (now the Bayou City Medical Center). The source overheard the call by Mr. Chandler to arrange the abortion and the source visited Robin Lowman at the Twelve Oaks Hospital after the procedure.

The source meanwhile, is afraid of coming forward, saying that she was threatened by Chandler and another Bush friend and supporter named Jim Bath. Bath has longstanding intelligence connections, and played a role in the BCCI scandal. Robin Lowman (now Garner) is married to Jerry Lee Garner who is an FBI agent.



Wonder if anybody close to Bush remembers this? Like some of his buddies in the military. Where is Robert Carl Chandler?? hee, hee. :bounce:

[Stephanie]

76. Well, if we are talking about Bath today

I will kick it!

:kick:

[Karenina]

77. Me too!!!

Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego? Doo-doo todooo!

[Octafish]

78. Every day is one day closer to the indictments and trials.

And I'm serious. The treasonous scuts are in deep doo-doo.

I sure hope Jim Bath put some videotape deposition copies in his lawyers' safety deposit boxes. Going by his character references, he's going to need them.