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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 02:50 AM
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Draft dodging news anchors and young info babes constantly defending AWOL
For those of us that served in the military during Vietnam, these people are comical. I wonder how many Veterans laugh their ass off listening to Faux Nuze or MircoSnotNBC? The little blond babe the other night saying "How can anyone produce their work records from over 30 years ago. I feel so sorry for my beleaguered president." These people don't have a clue. Look at all these talking heads on Faux. Not a single damn one of them ever served in the military.

Now look at the AM talk show hosts. It's a Who's Who of draft dodging republicans - Limbaugh, Savage, Hannity, Boortz,and O'Reilly. Look at the Bushit Cabal and his band of merry men - another Who's Who of draft dodging republicans and neocons - Perle, Libby, Cheney, Bush, Wolfowitz,
Evans, Baker, and dozens more.

If you know any Vets or active military personnel, make a list, check it twice, and explain to them who's been naughty or nice. I think they will be shocked.
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 03:16 AM
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1. You are SO right.
I can't stand to watch Faux News or almost any of our media whore news gathering networks. Frankly the satire of the Daily Show somehow seems more plausible as far as its truth.

It's fair and balanced without being POMPOUS. What more could you want in a news report.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 03:43 AM
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2. It's been helpful, too, though.
It got me to talk with my wife about some of the people that I served with. I was in the Army from '75-8 and I was surprised that not only do I remember a couple of dozen people, I usually had at least one anecdote about them. It makes *'s failure to do the same all the more suspect since I am less than average at remembering names. Very curious.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 03:49 AM
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3. Billy Baldwin made the same
observation on Bill Maher; saying, People I knew in 8th grade, high school, wrestling team remember me - why is it no one remembers the pResident?
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 03:58 AM
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5. You just hit a home run
Most Vets can come up with dozens of names of people they served with. I still have old pictures and even a list of all those in my basic training company. An internet search could probably locate at least a dozen guys who served with me. With Bush, we have an old republican retired colonel, and his story doesn't even match. You would think his old buddies would be beating down the doors to volunteer information.
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SpaceCatMeetsMars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:16 AM
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10. A vet wrote an email to Lou Dobb's show and he said
he was in the service during the Korean War and he remembers who he served with and he said if one of the guys had become the president and his father was a president, they certainly would have remembered the guy.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 03:55 AM
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4. We can get provisions lists, payroll info, and lots more info
Edited on Sun Feb-15-04 03:57 AM by SoCalDem
from the CIVIL WAR records, and he would have us believe that somehow in the 60's & 70's we lost the ability to keep records??

That does not pass the smell test..

Every vet I have known has every scrap of paper that he got in the military..

and even if they get lost or misplaced, the military has always been fond of MULTIPLE COPIES...

When junior ran for governor, you know darned good and well that the handlers knew this would be trouble, and they probably sent for and got every scrap of information they would/might need ..

or..

Daddy was vp for 8 yrs and pres for 4.. During that 12 year period, it would ahve been easy to have junior's records "fixed"

His family knows him better than anyone, and you can bet your last dollar that they know what a screw-up he is/was..

When was the Jebster's birthdate?? If George was 26 in 1972, would Jebster have been "draftable"??

edit.. Jebster was 19 in 1972..

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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 05:04 AM
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8. Don't I know about multiple copies...
My husband has been in the army for almost 9 years. The boxes of paperwork he has drive me insane!!!
:crazy: :grr:
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:51 AM
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11. I can remember dozens of people I served with...
I can see some of those faces clearly in my memory. Sometimes my memory goes into default when I try to name names, (unless something unusual happens, I am terrible with names).

I can remember childhood friends, and many people I have known over the years. I have little difficulty in recalling many events.

As for paperwork, I have stuff from the Army, that my mother back in NY is BEGGING me to get out of the basement. (I'm in NE, and transportation is a bitch at this point).

The military put everything onto microfiche, as well as originals and copies, and there are various storage facilities, each w/ the same info.

Here's a question that should be asked, but is being swept under the rug, where is bush's crew chief and the ground crew that worked on his obsolete F-102? There would be records in Supply as well, no one goes ANYWHERE w/o going through Supply. Supply Sgt's in the Army are notorious for phenomenal memories, you DO NOT want to piss off a Supply Sgt! You also don't want to piss off a cook!

O8)
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 10:54 AM
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13. Me too (Grenada/Libya/Cold War era).
Reagan didn't bring the wall down...I DID! :D

Seriously, I went to Classmates.com and they have a military tab there. You can put in your unit, your years stationed there, and the city where stationed. There are at least 400 names in the 3/11 ACR, Bad Hersfeld Germany 1985-86. I recognized at least a dozen names from that list, and even talk to one on a regular basis.

Watch out for this site...they spam bigtime!

I can remember my time in the CAV like it was yesterday. You never forget the guys you smell after 4 days in a tank without a shower! :puke:
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Wells Donating Member (672 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 04:11 AM
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6. Friday, the 13th Doonesbury ROCKS !!
Trudeau will catch hell for Friday's comic:


Two gen-x'er characters are talking:

"Kerry got the question exactly right. How do you ask someone to die for a mistake?"... "What does Bush say to a kid in the Guard sent to put his life on the line, in the cause of "Program Related Activity?"


The scene switches to outside the White House, with 2 bubble voices:

"It's only the Guard. Why show up?" "It's different today, sir!"


Oooooow, Trudeau !!! I like it !!

Perhaps the goon squad will go ape, and decent folk will finally get fed up enough to ditch the dynasty.












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buckeye1 Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 04:54 AM
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7. It makes us all sick.
Hypocrisy sucks.
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republicansarewhores Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 06:31 AM
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9. You mean THESE guys? ;-)


They're an attractive bunch of brownshirts aren't they? Not ONE of them chose to take up arms and prove their patriotism. Yet all have crucified Clinton for his conscientious objector status while defending our deserter-in-chief.

The hypocrisy is ASTOUNDING!

RAW
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 10:26 AM
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12. COMFORTABLE COWARDS.
in the meantime...
www.mfso.org
www.bringthemhomenow.com
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