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muchacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:00 AM
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somebody saw Bush?
Russert mentioned saying somebody actually seeing Bush at training.

as this been covered here yet?

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Metrix Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:03 AM
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1. You mean Joe LeFevers?
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:12 AM
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2. Calhoun... BUT...

he claims to have seen him at a time when the WH was NOT claiming he was there.

OOPS
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:19 AM
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3. I'm surprised it's not from an "unnamed source" as quoted in
the Washington Times
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:21 AM
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4. Already debunked.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:33 AM
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5. They like to mention Calhoun but they forget to mention Mintz
Mintz was a guy who was EXPECTING Bush to show up and he never did. Oh...but the LIBERAL media doesn't seem to hold that fact as crucial as the fabricated "fact" of the Calhoun claims.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:33 AM
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6. Calhoun says he saw * during the summer of 1972 (May-Oct)
The problem is that * did not get his transfer until August of 72, he didn't show up for his flight physical, and there is no record of him receiving any points for that summer. The WH already said that the guy may have his dates mixed up.

I just say he's lying.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:33 AM
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7. I have some direct experience with this.
I was married in September 1969. In January my husband was on a plane to Vietnam. He came back in January of 1971 and we stayed in the military for another year. If you asked me (or him) today to document that service we could come up with dozens of people who would vouch for that service...dozens! I have friends who could document their guard service. You just don't forget an experience like Vietnam and being in the National Guard was not like dropping in on a cocktail party once and awhile.

George W. has had plenty of time to provide documentation or come up with his "band of brothers"...he can't. Russert should have asked him, Mr. President, aside for Cheney, Rove, Wolf and Pearle, where is your Band of Brothers?"

Oh, and by the way, I will bet that there are tons of guys out there who served in the guard during the Vietnam era who are scratching their heads wondering why Bush can't come up with better proof of service.

Oh, and one more thing (damn, I'm pi**ed) the guys who did serve in one capacity or another lost at least a year of their lives. When they got out there was a huge amount of catching up to do. People like Bush got the jump on them and many will never forget that!
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:05 PM
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8. There have been more Elvis sightings
than Bush* sightings, it seems.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:12 PM
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9. Has anyone Bush* served with spoken up
for the times he actually did show up? Is there anyone out there that has a good word for him at all?


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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:56 PM
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10. Well, these folks seem to have seen him...
http://www.southerner.net/blog/awolbush.html

George W. Bush's Lost Year in 1972 Alabama

By Glynn Wilson
BIRMINGHAM, Ala., Feb. 2 (PS) — The result of an investigation into George W. Bush's lost year in 1972 reveals a cocky privileged son who used his family connections to avoid military service in Vietnam and spend seven months in Alabama partying. He clearly skipped out on National Guard duty and avoided a mandatory drug test, all while learning the politics of "dirty tricks," deception...

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Privileged Son

Those who encountered Bush in Alabama remember him as an affable social drinker who acted younger than his 26 years. Referred to as George Bush, Jr. by newspapers in those days, sources say he also tended to show up late every day, around noon or one, at Blount's campaign headquarters in Montgomery. They say Bush would prop his cowboy boots on a desk and brag about how much he drank the night before.

They also remember Bush's stories about how the New Haven, Connecticut police always let him go, after he told them his name, when they stopped him "all the time" for driving drunk as a student at Yale in the late 1960s. Bush told this story to others working in the campaign "what seemed like a hundred times," says Red Blount's nephew C. Murphy Archibald, now an attorney in Charlotte, N.C., who also worked on the Blount campaign and said he had "vivid memories" of that time.
"He would laugh uproariously as though there was something funny about this. To me, that was pretty memorable, because here he is, a number of years out of college, talking about this to people he doesn't know," Archibald said. "He just struck me as a guy who really had an idea of himself as very much a child of privilege, that he wasn't operating by the same rules."

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Many of those who came into close contact with Bush say he liked to drink beer and Jim Beam whiskey, and to eat fist-fulls of peanuts, and Executive burgers, at the Cloverdale Grill. They also say he liked to sneak out back for a joint of marijuana or into the head for a line of cocaine...
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