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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:21 PM
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No DENTIST at Dannelly in 1972! No DENTIST!
From the latest eyewitness to Bush being on base at Dannelly:


"Copeland also is puzzled by dental records that Bush produced as evidence of his duties at Dannelly.

"We had no dentist at Dannelly Field," Copeland said. "The only dentists were at Maxwell (Air Force Base)."


Master Sergeant James Donnelly (retired).

Does anyone have a copy of that dental exam? We need to check it out more carefully.


http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/040216/bush.shtml
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:25 PM
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1. from michael moore
www.michaelmoore.com

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Taeger Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:47 PM
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6. FORGERY

The damn is breaking. The can't lie fast enough anymore to cover up the old ones.

They have stopped spinning. Now they're just making shit up.

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:55 PM
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9. Karen Hughes needs to supply a handwriting example
Edited on Mon Feb-16-04 08:56 PM by Stephanie
And where is this dentist?

Did James Bath see the same dentist?

*edit - Isn't that a rather feminine handwriting? And what does the signature read? JA Hansen?
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Taeger Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:00 PM
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11. Doctors Handwriting ...

The handwriting of doctors is notoriously shitty.

I can imagine it's worse for someone who sticks their fingers in people's mouth's all day.

Compared to the other documents that have been through primitive photo-copiers, the dentistry records do seem relatively pristeen. They should have found an old photo-copier and run it through 5 or 6 times to get the right effect before submitting this shit as "evidence".

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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 12:47 AM
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Interesting that *'s unit was listed as the 111 FIS
and not the 187th to which he had supposedly been transferred at this time.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:00 PM
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12. "Place of Examination: DANG"
Does DANG stand for Dallas Air National Guard? Not Alabama?

If not, what does DANG stand for?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:24 PM
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15. How about Delaware Air National Guard
Although, it appears that Army and Air have been combined and shown as DNG. BUT, that is now and not necessarily back then.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:33 PM
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20. BASE CODES
Code Base Name
997 AAFES (Dallas OOM) 342 Hickam AFB HI
460 RAF Alconbury UK 282 Hill AFB UT
222 Altus AFB OK
130 Andersen AB GU
308 Andrews AFB MD
276 Arnold AFS TN
118 Barksdale AFB LA
119 Beale AFB CA
307 Bolling AFB DC
267 Brooks AFB TX
153 Cannon AFB NM
121 Castle AFB CA
224 Charleston AFB SC A
453 RAF Chicksands UK
193 Columbus AFB MS
103 Davis-Monthan AFB AZ
299 Dobbins AFB GA
223 Dover AFB DE
122 Dyess AFB TX
268 Edwards AFB CA
269 Eglin AFB FL
393 Eielson AFB AK
104 Ellsworth AFB SD
377 Elmendorf AFB AK
123 Francis E. Warren AFB WY
105 Fairchild AFB WA
006 Florennes AB BE
004 Gen Billy Mitchell Field WI
332 Goodfellow AFB TX
124 Grand Forks AFB ND
106 Griffiss AFB NY
342 Hickam AFB HI
282 Hill AFB UT
158 Holloman AFB NM
160 Hurlburt Field FL
468 Incirlik AB TU
470 Izmir AB TU
107 KI Sawyer AFB MI
348 Kadena AB JA
195 Keesler AFB MS
283 Kelly AFB TX
272 Kirtland AFB NM
349 Kunsan AB ROK
270 Hanscom Field MA
196 Lackland AFB TX
455 RAF Lakenheath UK
AZ 161 Langley AFB VA
197 Laughlin AFB TX
225 Little Rock AFB AR
273 Los Angeles AFS CA
198 Lowry AFB CO
162 Luke AFB AZ
164 MacDill AFB FL
127 Malmstrom AFB MT
312 Maxwell AFB AL
226 McChord AFB WA
284 McClellan AFB CA
112 McConnell AFB KS
227 McGuire AFB NJ
456 RAF Mildenhall UK
303 Minneapolis-O’Hare MN
111 Minot AFB ND
313 Gunter AFB AL
200 Moody AFB GA
163 Mountain Home AFB ID
166 Nellis AFB NV
289 Newark AFB OH
301 Niagara Falls NY
113 Offutt AFB NE
996 Onizuka AFB CA
351 Osan AB ROK
271 Patrick AFB FL
248 Peterson AFB CO
001 Pittsburgh PA
115 Plattsburgh AFB NY
229 Pope AFB NC
441 Ramstein AB GE
201 Randolph AFB TX
202 Reese AFB TX
442 Rhein Main AB GE
327 Richards-Gebaur AFB MO
108 Rickenbacker AFB OH
285 Robins AFB GA
463 San Vito AS IT
346 Misawa AB JA
231 Scott AFB IL
443 Sembach AB GE
167 Seymour Johnson AFB NC
168 Shaw AFB SC
203 Sheppard AFB TX
466 Soesterberg AB NL
444 Spangdahlem AB GE
286 Tinker AFB OK
187 Travis AFB CA
252 Tyndall AFB FL
458 RAF Upper Heyford UK
316 USAF Academy CO
204 Vance AFB OK
116 Vandenberg AFB CA
298 Westover AFB MA
128 Whiteman AFB MO
005 Woensdrecht AB BE
287 Wright-Patterson AFB
347 Yokota AB JA
002 Youngstown OH
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:31 PM
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19. "Dang" they must think the people are stupid
:silly:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:34 PM
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21. It actually says Dannelly on the paper if you look at the first reply post
it's in there.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 12:47 AM
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35. Saw it
there are two places on the form for location of exam......and DANG could be Dr.'s shorthand for Dannely Air National Guard.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:15 PM
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14. did they just pull the #3 molar and leave a gap?? no wonder shrub's
teeth are all mis-aligned (according to Molly Ivans, bush* has very bad teeth, which is why he never shows them....)....

it's just a shame that mommy and pappy bush did NOTHING to fix little bushes teeth and his eyes....all that money and the attitude of trailer trash...
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:30 PM
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18. check revision date 1953
get dental records of a "contemporary" and check the revision date on their files..

When forms are revised, the old ones must be thrown out.:)
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:10 PM
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23. Revision date November 1953 ???
Edited on Mon Feb-16-04 10:17 PM by SoCalDem
That seems "off" to me..

also the fire in St Louis records repository was in 1973, so his "records" could not be "missing" due to the fire :) (just in case they start to bring that up )
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:26 PM
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2. I think we should require him to submit to a dental exam
to prove he has fillings in the same places. After what they did to Clinton, why not?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:26 PM
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3. Oh how funny. If this is true than Bush* & Co. are having to dip into the
piggy bank to pay a lot of people off. I mean, it's hard to believe these people would make public liars out of themselves for nothing, and if they are, then they are really stupid.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:52 PM
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8. I'm sure it's coming out of our treasury, these people pay for nothing
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:30 PM
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4. FYI - I believe they said the dental exam was in January of 1973.
Don't know if it matters.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:47 PM
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31. you're right....
....it was 1973. My mistake. Too late to change the subject.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:30 PM
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5. LOL.....this bush* AWOL would be the animal house if it weren't so
tragic...while shrub was AWOL...and while shrub bumped out someone else in ANG...and while shrub failed the pilot test and got into pilot training because his test scores were changed, that bumped out someone else....

and always, in shrub's place....someone else had to go to Vietnam in
shrub's place....my cousin was KILLED in Vietnam....so I am crying as well as laughing at bush* AWOL...it is truly pathetic....
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:49 PM
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7. Sorry about your cousin
I didn't know. :(

I had an uncle who served in Vietnam, but he came home unscathed, thank God.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:27 PM
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17. Charlie was 19 years old, not yet old enough to vote...but old
enough to be KILLED for a LIE....he was an HM3 Navy Medic...the Navy attached the medics to the Marines...and Charlie died on the battlefield...he saved two and was KILLED trying to save a third wounded soldier....Charlie got a silver star, and a purple heart posthumously....his father died about a year later, from a broken heart...Charlie was his only son...his mom won't go to Arlington Cemetary or to the Wall...Charlie is on panel 7E...I've been there only twice....I go to the wall to ask Charlie to walk with me, when the Veterans and the Military families protest bush* wars in OUR Nation's Capital.... it's frightening to be surrounded by police/dogs/mace/guns/snipers while protesting wars....it makes me feel strong if I go to the WALL first, then I know that Charlie is with us as we walk in protest....WAR is intrinsically evil....and we must stop bush*'s wars....
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tobius Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:55 PM
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10. Guess he was a deserter who was AWOL,...
Just waiting now for the military tribunal.

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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:12 PM
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13. I brought this to Helen Thomas's attention
9-10 times she answers her email, so I will wait to see what she say's.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:47 PM
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32. Thanks, demdem...
:toast:
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:27 PM
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16. No Dentist!!! They must be anti-dentites!
What kind of animals are they?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:30 PM
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26. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
*
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masshole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:36 PM
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22. 2 different people filled out form
I'm no handwriting expert, but look at the noticeable differences in the left and right sides of the form.
Compare the D and N's in "DANG" on the right side to the word "Dannely" written on the left. Much different style.
Same goes for where "JAN 73" is written on both sides.

Why would more than one person fill out this Dental exam form?
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:26 PM
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24. Dentist frequently have assistants
Bush is a rotten no good son of a bitch, but I think we are reading tea leaves here.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:28 PM
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25. Not necessarily - to catch them in yet ANOTHER LIE is a good thing.
Let's see proof that there was dentist at Dannelly in January '73. That should be pretty easy to prove. What's the name? Hansen?
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tobius Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:38 PM
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28. hussein. n/t
If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style.
Quentin Crisp

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masshole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:44 PM
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29. This guy was a civilian dentist?
Edited on Mon Feb-16-04 10:47 PM by masshole
yes?

Didn't the ANG have military dentists?
Was/is it common to use civilian medical personnel?

And the same person (Harris) signed off on both sides as "person completing this section"


edit: additional thought
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:31 PM
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27. I could swear that I read an interview with the dentist.
Wasn't that out in the past week or so? I could swear he said that he didn't remember Bush, but that wasn't surprising since he "would've been only one patient of 26 he'd see on an average day" or something to that effect.

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:44 PM
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30. You're right - Harris
Dr. John Andrew Harris of Montgomery, Ala., who performed Bush's dental exam on Jan. 6, 1973, said Thursday his signature appears on the record released by the White House.

Harris said the dental chart appears to be from the kind of checkups typically performed on unit members on weekend drill duty. The record indicates Bush was at the dental clinic on a Saturday.

"It's just an annual exam. He was missing his wisdom teeth and tooth No. 3. He had had some cap work," said Harris, referring to the chart.

Harris, now chief of dental services for the VA Medical Center in Montgomery, said he doesn't remember Bush, who would have been one of as many as 60 unit members seen over two days.

"He was just another pilot," he said. "They had to be seen on an annual basis."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040212/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_military_records_46

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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 01:15 AM
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36. Wow- thanks to both of you for the link.
That would've driven me insane, because I know I'd never have found it again.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:48 PM
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33. here it is...."Military Dentist Doesn't Recall bush* "
Edited on Mon Feb-16-04 10:53 PM by amen1234
Dr. John Andrew Harris of Montgomery, Ala., who performed Bush's dental exam on Jan. 6, 1973, said Thursday his signature appears on the record released by the White House.

Harris said the dental chart appears to be from the kind of checkups typically performed on unit members on weekend drill duty. The record indicates Bush was at the dental clinic on a Saturday.

"It's just an annual exam. He was missing his wisdom teeth and tooth No. 3. He had had some cap work," said Harris, referring to the chart.

Harris, now chief of dental services for the VA Medical Center in Montgomery, said he doesn't remember Bush, who would have been one of as many as 60 unit members seen over two days.


http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/bw-wh/2004/feb/12/021205500.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 12:42 AM
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34. wonder if Saddam is thinking 'a tooth for a tooth'
He had to show his ... George's turn ...
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