'German Jews' created the world of the 20th century

[bobbieinok]

Freud - the world of psychology, psychiatry

Schoenberg - the world of modern music

Wittgenstein - the world of philosophy (one of the major sources for the 2 dominant 20th cent Anglo-American schools of philosophy)

Kafka - the literary world

Einstein - the physical world

Marx - the political, historical world

(The first 3 lived in 'turn of the century' Vienna; Kafka in the German-Jewish world of Prague in the same 'turn of the century' Austro-Hungarian empire.)

Add some more -

[Stephanie]

1. What are you referring to?

Is it about this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=346640

I am stunned - I think this is an official Rove Talking Point.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

2. Oh, I hope it is. We'll give him hell if he wants it.

[Womblestuffer]

25. Boy do we goys owe jews alot.

As for me I say, thanks for the contribution to the rest of humanity, its a team effort asshole

[bobbieinok]

4. I find it weird that much of our modern world was created by

the minds, souls, spirits of German Jews - the people the Nazis hated and tried to destroy.

Of course, there are a lot of people who hate the modern world - and the people who created it.

The book The Closing of the American Mind attacks the 'European' (=Jewish) ideas that 'invaded' and 'destroyed' the American universities - ideas that were brought by those fleeing from the Nazis.

[mac2]

18. Nazis are back...

And they aren't German.

[thingfish]

23. Yeah...

They're running the USA and Israel!

[Womblestuffer]

26. Jewish Is A Religion Right???

or is it a race, or is it a state of mind??

[elfwitch]

30. A race, a religion, a culture.

There are Jews that fall in to any combo of the three.
race, not religion, not culture
not race, religion, not culture
not race, not religion, culture
race, religion, not culture
race, not religion, culture
not race, religion, culture

you get the idea....

I am Jewish by religion and culture but not race.
It all depends on how you slice it up.
That is why labeling is so difficult.

[GreyV]

31. The age old question...

The age old question on how to discern cultural, ethnic, religious, and national background of a particular group. In this case it's easy, its a religion.

Jewish is one whose religion is Judaism.

Centuries of decentralized, almost nomadic structure within global Jewish community has had a destabilizing effect on the definition of "Jewish".

[elfwitch]

33. I have to disagree

There are many ancestral Jews who do not practice Judaism.
They are called secular Jews.
According to most standards (i.e. Orthodox Judaism) if the mother is Jewish so is the child.
If you go even further back, Hitler determined Jewishness by as far back as a paternal great grandfather.

Ask any rabbi. They will confirm that there are at least three kinds of Jews.

[Burma Jones]

3. A German Jew Created my two kids

With some help from this Scottish Presbyterian

[outinforce]

5. Say What?

I'm sorry, but I take issue with your statement that "German Jews created the world of the 20th Century".

I take issue with that statement for several reasons.

First, although it is certainly true that Jews, and more specifically German Jews, have made a profound impact on the world of the 20th century, it is a biog stretch to say that they "created" the world of the 20th century.

The statement completely dicsounts the positive contributions of Jews who were not "German". It completely discounts the positive contributions of all people who are not German and who are not Jewish.

In many ways, the 20th century had a lot of positive things. But it also was a terrbile bloody and destructive century. Think WWI and WWII.

The statement would have us believe that German Jews were responsible for all of the negative things that happened in the 20th century.

I think you might want to re-examine your belief in who created the world of the 20th century.

[salinen]

6. PeeWee Herman - the ridiculous world

[SlavesandBulldozers]

7. Franz Boaz

defined modern anthropology.

Marcel Mauss and Emile Durkheim founded Functionalism.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

8. One could also argue this case for the Scots, the Irish, the Dutch,

the Chinese. There's enough world to go round for all of us, I think.

[kodi]

9. tom edison, orville & wilbur wright, and henry ford might disagree.

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[mac2]

14. Yes.....

It took people of all religions, races, and ethnic groups to mess up the 20th Century...or improve it.

The man who invented blood transfusions was a black American. Don't forget the health giants or Winston Chruchill,Ghandi, etc.

Come out of your little world...please.

[Kellanved]

17. sure - Ford would certainly disagree

[Brian Sweat]

19. Especially Henry "The International Jew" Ford.

[mouse7]

10. I think you're overstating Richard Marx role in history.

I don't see his music as being very political.

[Brian Sweat]

21. No, no, no! bobbieinok was referring to Groucho.

[mobuto]

11. Most of the above are Austrian Jews

of course so was Fritz Kohn, Kerry's grandfather.

Marx did not live in the 20th century, unless you're referring to Groucho, but he wasn't German.

If you want to add more "20th century Jews who's primary language was German", you could add Arthur Schnitzler, Robert Musil, Stefan Zweig, Josef Roth, Gustav Mahler, Artur Schnabel, Kurt Weill, Rosa Luxemburg, Henry (Pshaw) Kissinger, Emma Goldman, Lise Meitner, Leo Szilard, and about a hundred and fifty thousand others of note.

The particular success in every field of the Austro-Hungarian Jews who clustered around Vienna around the turn of the 20th century is hard to explain, but I don't think any group, so small, has produced so many great and influential people in such short a time in human history - with the possible, though far from certain, exception of fifth century Athens.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

12. Or late eighteenth-century Edinburgh. But then, we all have our favourites

[mac2]

16. It's getting a little deep don't you think?

Over the top with ego?

[stepnw1f]

20. First generation German/Ukraine here!

I am not surprised by the lies being fed into people about the Jews. To tell you the truth, it an excuse to hate. It doesn't matter whether its a Jew, homosexual, handicapped, etc. As long as its a minority group that is perceived as small and weak. These people who perpetuate such remarks have fallen for the "Might makes Right" mentality. The truth is opposite. The real weaklings are the ones making such remarks. This mentality ussually stems from the a deep seeded inferiority complex.

I would hope to think that humans would have a better grasp of reality, than to constantly regurgitate the lies circulated from deep seeded hate groups. The World as a whole is a victim of such self-destructive mentality and behaviour. I see this phenomona as a disease, that is capable of destroying the world. This may be mother nature's revenge.

Next time you face a neo-con or fascist, just let them know it will be ok, then kick them in the ass.

[mac2]

13. Good guys but not the only ones to effect our century.....

Einstein - the physical world. Did you know Einstein's theory has been challenged...to String Theory of the Universe?

I don't like Schoenberg. I could do without it.

Marx..social system just doesn't work.

I'm of German ancestry myself. This assumption is a little over the top don't you think?

[GreyV]

15. This is a joke... right?

...

[Fenris]

22. I'll concede every one except Kafka

Kafka is the only existentialist author I have read that has seriously made me wish I was illiterate.

[AtTheEndOfTheDay]

27. With that Kafka review

Perhaps your conclusion is accurate.

[_Jumper_]

24. Read your headline

It feeds right into right-wing anti-Semitic myths.

[bobbieinok]

28. it could - but I view the statement as positive and impressive

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[GreyV]

29. "positive and impressive"....

"positive and impressive"....

While some of the individuals mentioned are quite "positive and impressive", I don't think that was the exact meaning of the entire message.

[bobbieinok]

32. are you saying the message is anti-semitic??

It was certainly not meant to be.

Many on the right hate Freud. Whatever today's informed view of the accuracy of his work, he did significantly affect the way the modern world looks at the psyche.

Many hate 12-tone music, but it has changed modern western music.

And of course Marx. Whatever your opinion of his work and the way it has affected the modern world, his work has affected it. And if one is not totally and completely right-wing, one would have to say that his work had at least some positive effects - at the least providing other ways of looking at history and politics and economics.

[BrotherBuzz]

34. I'm more concerned about the 21st century...

and the one German Jew from the 20th Century that is still influencing todays Neocons from his grave - Leo Strauss!

[Malva Zebrina]

35. I am grateful to all of these people

what else am I expected to say?