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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:47 AM
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Neal Boortz is outraged!
OUTRAGED!!

that so many of his callers are citing loss of jobs as more important than *'s "War on Terra".

Neal says that the government doesn't owe you a job!!

"It's not the president's or the government's obligation to help you get a job", says Neal.

You don't have a job because you made poor career choices, and didn't see the "handwriting on the wall".

The War on Terra (according to Neal) is the single most important issue this campaign season.
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:48 AM
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1. Maybe all the unemployed could enlist?
:-)
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 02:19 PM
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36. Just think what those unemployment numbers would be if the soldiers were
Edited on Wed Feb-18-04 02:22 PM by loudnclear
at home now? War is a great employer. The Rethugs love war because it keeps those military contracts coming and helps the economy!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 03:36 PM
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43. I guess george antoinette would say "let 'em eat bullets."
His latter-day version of "let them eat cake."
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:48 AM
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2. Offshore Outsourcing is good for us.
Didn't you get the memo? Now get back to Walmart!!!
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DK666 Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:49 AM
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3. YA Know
I heard Duke Cunningham on the local news this morning saying that if we dont re-elect * t5hen the terrorists will win. More scare tactics.

BTW do you have a link to go with that story ?
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:55 AM
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11. heard him on radio when I went to pick up lunch
Edited on Wed Feb-18-04 11:55 AM by CatWoman
there is, however, some of his "words of wisdom" posted on his site:

Wednesday, February 18, 2004
LET'S TALK ABOUT "YOUR" JOBS

Jobs .. and the economy. First of all ... I'm going to repeat this simply because it makes the whiners so unbelievably angry. Listen up. They're not your jobs! The jobs belong to the employers .. not to you! You have job skills and, presumably, a willingness to work. Your task in a free economy is to get out there and find some employer with a job who needs your skills ... and strike a deal.

If you do not have the particular set of job skills that an employer needs, or if you have priced your labor out of the marketplace, guess what? It's not the employer's fault. The fault lies with you. Either develop a new set of job skills that are actually in demand, or adjust your pricing. The employer knows what he's looking for. If you're not it .. it's your problem, not his.

Now ... you say you're going to vote for a Democrat this year because of jobs? You mean to tell me that you're going to vote against George Bush this year because you don't have a set of job skills that are in demand in our free marketplace? Yeah .. that makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?

Tell me. Just what do you want the president to do?

http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html
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DK666 Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:59 AM
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16. Unfortunatly
The working man has the government working against him on this one.
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:02 PM
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19. Gee, Neal
does that mean your job talking out your ass doesn't belong to you either? Oh, I see THAT'S different.
What an a******!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Deb-Ter Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 03:15 PM
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41. Gee, Neal....
"does that mean your job talking out your ass doesn't belong to you either?"

Yes, that is exactly what it means, if nobody listens to him the sponsers will pull out and the radio stations will drop him.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:18 PM
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49. Good
Edited on Wed Feb-18-04 05:19 PM by GTRMAN


I am going to apply for "his" job.I am sure I can blow as much hot air deriding American workers and fearmongering about the war on "terra" as he can. I am going to ask for minimum wage. I would ask for less,in keeping with Neal's mantra about the "economic value" of workers,but we will have to get rid of that pesky minimum wage law first.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:36 PM
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50. What about this?


Does anybody bother to read our most important document anymore?


"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

One hell of a fine job these neocons are doing "promoting the general welfare". We ought to tar and feather every goddamn one of them and run them out of the country!


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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:03 PM
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20. Aaaah...I'm basking in the warm glow of compassionate conservatism
:hug:

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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:20 PM
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29. That's great
Just what the unemployed want to hear. The conservatives really know how to sell their product don't they (/end sarcasm).

Hi ya CatWoman. Still the Cat's, I see.
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John BigBootay Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 01:18 PM
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33. I might agree with this guy to an extent--
The government doesn't owe any of us a job.

What they do owe us is a sound and vibrant economy where jobs can be created. Right? Seems to me the economy is a complicated and unwieldy beast to try to control.

So this guy's a blowhard-- but how is he wrong in this particular matter?

What CAN / SHOULD a president do about jobs? Enlighten me.


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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 03:40 PM
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44. Answer: the same thing YOU, Boortz, would demand that a Democrat
would do as president. You'd sure hold his/her feet to the fire about that, now, wouldn'tcha?

How I love the sound of compassionate conservatism in the morning. Make that "mourning."
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 03:44 PM
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45. Out Of Work 44 Months
The resume includes the following:

Bachelors in Electrical engineering
Masters in Business Administration
Honorably discharged Naval Officer
Licensed Commercial Pilot

Mr Bortz can Kiss my A**.

Tell me Mr. Bortz what I should retrain for?

I'd really like to know!
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 04:21 PM
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46. Maintain An Even Course in Economic Policy, For One
Look, one of the biggest misconceptions of macroeconomics is that jobs are some tangential outgrowth of economic vibrancy. This couldn't be more wrong.

Employment is a direct outcome of a strong economy, in just as profound a way as GDP growth. Macroeconomics is NOT a matter of GDP growth fueling everything else. There are more than just that one outcome of economic policy.

The first thing a president should do is avoid doing anything to upset the balance in the system. Macroeconomies work in equilibrium with capital (not equity) markets. A folly of cutting taxes to stimulate consumption (incorrectly referred to as supply-side, which is actually a microeconomic concept, so they cannot even name their hypotheses correctly) unnecessarily upset the monetary balance. This resulted in the current economic condition and OUTCOME of which is high unemployment. High unemployment leads to a dimunition of expendible capital, which has a negative effect on consumption.

So, once again, Li'l Georgie started spending gobs of money he didn't have to prop up the GDP. But, that's not sustainable. So, basically he created the mess by upsetting the equilibrium without any mathematical justification, and then made things worse by adding more weight to the negative side of the scale. He continues to do so.

The actual fact is that a president can do more harm than good to the economy. Reagan and Junior are mathematically irrefutable examples of that.

So, Boortz is wrong, as usual. The government has a duty to cover its expenses. It can't do that if tax revenues are double dipped by cutting marginal rates and then reducing incomes to those paying the taxes. What Bush should have done is NOTHING! But, naturally, "staying the course", as he is now so found of saying, would have been inconsistent with their provably incorrect economic theories. So, he plays the amiable dunce and screws up the economy, and now to heck with everyone who doesn't already have theirs. Nice.
The Professor
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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 02:24 PM
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37. what a shithead
i already retrained to be a programmer, because i believed in fair trade and bettering myself

now what am i supposed to do? become an investment banker, live on the massive wealth i accumulated?

i guess i could go back to cooking for a living, i guess thats what they want

i thikn they got scared that too many of us little ppl were starting to make some money, they dont want to admit us into their rich boy's club
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:50 AM
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4. Well,
If the government doesn't owe me a job, I don't owe it any damned taxes!
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:50 AM
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5. heh.
a hate monger pushing fear over hope? who'da thunk it?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:53 AM
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7. Bush is playing the Emotion Card, using FEAR tactics and twisted logic.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:51 AM
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6. Oh, I'd love to see the look on an unemployed Republican's
face when someone like Boortz tells them they're broke because they deserve it. I've never seen karma in person before. I hear she's pretty.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:14 PM
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26. Karma is a bitch when you are on the wrong side of her.
I have seen her in person, but thankfully not aimed at me. It was one of those "I love a tense moment, particularly when it's not me they are tense about" things.
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PopSixSquish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:53 AM
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8. Well I'm Outraged about a Whole Bunch of Stuff Too!!!
Beginning with W and working my way down. Where's my radio show?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:54 AM
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9. The gov't doesn't owe me a goddam war either.
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:01 PM
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17. I like the way you think
:hi:
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:15 PM
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27. I do my best.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:54 AM
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10. Ol' Neal should read his Abraham Maslow.
Remember the hierarchy of needs? If one is worried about the roof over one's head and from where one's next meal is coming, it's hard to think about something occurring half a world away.
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:55 AM
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12. If the war on terror is our #1 priority, what are we doing in Iraq?
Edited on Wed Feb-18-04 11:55 AM by truthspeaker
I'm at work, otherwise I'd call in and say "Neal, I agree with you! The war on terror is our number one priority! That's why we have to get all the troops out of Iraq and start using them to go after terrorist cells!"

Bush has totally bungled the "war on terrorism" (even worse than his daddy botched the fall of the Soviet Union). I say we Dems should embrace this issue, not run from it. It could be a winner for us!
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:55 AM
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13. It's very Facsist of Boortz to use fear as a political tool!
.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:57 AM
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14. Maybe Neal should enlist and volunteer for Iraq duty
If that's how he feels.
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 01:37 PM
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34. well, you see,
when Neal was draftable for Viet Nam, he wasn't a ruthless warmongering hate-radio guy who makes a lot of money making up stuff. He was just a scared kid who wanted to complete his college education. Now that he's safely beyond danger, he's "brave from a long distance." Another macho warrior, all hat and no cattle.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:58 AM
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15. fair enough
the government doesn't guarantee me a job, i can live with that. I encourage them to make this part of their campaign platform. "Less Jobs, More War - Bush/Cheney 2004". It even rhymes. They can tour the country on this platform, telling all the people of the US that the government does not guarantee them a job. That way the Dem nominee can sit at home and eat bon-bons while the votes roll in.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:16 PM
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28. I think I have a new sign for my truck.
Edited on Wed Feb-18-04 12:17 PM by DarkPhenyx
:evilgrin:

Thank you fo very much!
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Loki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:01 PM
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18. This is my new mantra
A recession is when your neighbor loses his job.
A depression is when you lose your job.
A recovery is when George Bush loses his job.

The sooner the better.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:07 PM
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22. That's a great mantra.
:toast:
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TheRedMan Donating Member (588 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 01:41 PM
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35. While I agree with the sentiment, re-quoting Reagan...
is just not very palatable to me.
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YNGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:07 PM
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21. Does the gov't owe me a job?
If they did, I don't think I'd want it. I'd rather they just leave me alone. I spend my time on more unnecessary BS gov't forms, I don't even want to talk about it.
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Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:08 PM
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23. What an ass....
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BigBigBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:08 PM
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24. Plenty of people
have made good choices, only to see Bush's campaign contributers purloin their 401k's and pensions, offshore jobs to benefit wealthy stockholders and acquire/consolidate companies to corner markets and boost stock options.

Anyone who thinks that the job market in America is governed by genuine supply and demand is delusional.

American jobs have come to represent a drag on stock prices - we are becoming a nation of wealthy white stockholders, being served burgers by immigrants.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:08 PM
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25. Neil's being replaced

"I too am OUTRAGED! And at one-tenth the salary! No one owes you a job, Neil!"
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 02:35 PM
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38. LOL!
I needed the laugh, I'm an unemployed call center supervisor.

I'm hoping for a wave of outsourcing of radical right radio show hosts.

Boortz would be a good start.
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:24 PM
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30. so now a sound economic policy isn't required of government?
when did that start? this must be a new concept, as economic policy and regulation has been one of, of not *the* primary function of government since the dawn of civilization.
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:28 PM
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31. Sorry but...
What a fuckwad. Pure and simple.

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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 01:13 PM
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32. stick this where the sun dont shine mr boortzhit
Edited on Wed Feb-18-04 01:14 PM by kodi
"Government doesn't create wealth," Mr. Bush said. "The role of government is to create the kind of conditions where risk-takers and entrepreneurs can invest and grow and hire new workers."

“WASHINGTON, Oct. 9 (2003) — Visiting the only Northeastern state he carried in 2000, President Bush campaigned today in New Hampshire, calling for lower federal taxes and continued vigilance against terrorism.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/09/politics/campaigns/09CND-BUSH.html?hp

That statement by Bush is in a nutshell the philosophy of the modern conservative. It is fundamentally superficial and inefficient, but it enlightens one towards understanding them and combating their philosophy and rhetoric....and the following remarks are a very good start as a weapon in such a fight.

"The normal and proper aim of the corporate community is to make money for its managers and for the owners of business all the better if its members also contribute to the general prosperity. However, business acts on the prevailing business philosophy, which claims that corporate self-interest eventually produces the general interest. This comfortable belief rests on misinterpretation of the theory of market rationality proposed by Adam Smith.

"He would have found the market primitivism of the current day unrecognizable. He saw the necessity for public intervention to create or sustain the public interest, and took for granted the existence of a government responsible to the community as a whole, providing the structure within which the economy functions.

"Classical political thought says that the purpose of government is to do justice for its citizens. Part of this obligation is to foster conditions in which wealth is produced. The obligation is not met by substituting the wealth-producer for the government.

"Business looks after the interests of businessmen and corporation stockholders. Stark and selfish self-interest obviously is not what motivates most American businessmen and -women, but it is the doctrine of the contemporary corporation and of the modern American business school."

"It does not automatically serve the general interest, as any 18th century rationalist would acknowledge - or any 21st century realist."

William Pfaff

http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0126-01.htm
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 02:55 PM
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39. LOL,poor career choices like Boeing,Cessna,Beech,LearJet....
We've lost about 13,000 jobs in Wichita since Chimp took office in those above mentioned "poor career choices". Yep,those people should have just got on at Walmart,they'd still have a job.

BTW Neil,how much of your damn MOONEY do you write off on taxes per year for em..."business expenses"???? The Government doesn't owe you a fucking AIRPLANE does it??

David
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SideshowScott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 03:08 PM
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40. Most of the Right wing radio is becomeing unhinged
Bush is in deep doo-doo and the writing is on the wall and they know it..Pill popping Rush getting busted was the begining of the end if you ask me..Savage is always depressed, Hannity is selling his book every 5 seconds, Rush has become a wimpering sigh, and boortz hates the hardworking men and women of america. The very people who are the backbone of a strong america
So basicly according to Boortz the Gov can take away jobs but letting cooperations outsorce, turning a blind eye to mass layoffs while CEOs get a raise ect ect..But the Govt does not need to crate jobs..Hmmm Why dont Boortz talk to FDR and Clinton and find out when America REALLY shined.
These guys have the NERVE to say they love america
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 03:33 PM
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42. Michal Savage is hystercial about gay marriage
which is apparently more important than jobs OR war.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 04:26 PM
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47. "Neal says that the government doesn't owe you a job!!"
Does Neal think the government owes corporations a profit? Of the people, by the people, and for the people ... Boortz-boy. What part of that do you not understand?
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 04:28 PM
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48. typical bullshit wingnut strawman.
enki nailed it below.

Y'know, CW, I still say we should sashay down to WSB some fine morning and present Neil with a DU tshirt. :D
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