Is PNAC evil enough to perpetrate a Holocaust?

[_Jumper_]

"And advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool."
-p.72, Rebuilding America's Defenses" at http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

[tom_paine]

1. Maybe.

Unknown until it happens.

Just like last time.

[Jackpine Radical]

2. Only if it involves

non-Jewish victims. In that case, yes, of course.

[dennis4868]

9. There is such a thing of....

anti-semitic jews (e.g. Bob Novak)

[supernova]

3. Capable of talking themselves into it

IMO. I fully believe that taken to its logical extreme that's where their rhetoric goes. :scared: Their arrogance and certainty of their own worldview make them dangerous.

They are not there....yet. We non-neocons still have the ability to stop them through legal means.

[madrchsod]

4. their godfathers

already have...

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

29. yup

I have no doubt they would murder millions if they thought it would advance their cause.

[MrSlayer]

5. Yes, without a doubt.

Hell the BFEE made a good bit of their fortune off of the Holocaust did they not? I don't think think these guys would have any problem with genocide. Hell, they've killed tens of thousands already what's a few million or so more?

[Charlls]

6. i dont see it

mayb you missed the page?

[cosmicdot]

7. a picture is worth a 1000 words

actual caption: After a hard day of bombing Iraq, former Chairman of the Defense Policy Board and former Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Reagan Richard Perle enjoys reading the Source. Perle is also the proud papa of former Source editor Jonathan Perle.
http://www.tuftsprimarysource.org

"And advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool."

I wonder what mind drafted that sentence?

[Charlls]

8. hey, did anyone bothered to actually look at that pdf?

i couldnt find that sentence at p72. Maybe you missed the page?

[DuctapeFatwa]

12. I did. It is there. What page it is depends on whether you view it as pdf

or html, and probably what html viewer you use. But it is there.

[Charlls]

15. It is NOT there. I searched the HTML version

that google brings, and i look for the word "Biological"; only two ocurrences, none of them with the quoted phrase

[DuctapeFatwa]

16. try this link

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

[Charlls]

20. it was at p60!

and its true; you cannot blame that flirt with biological warfare upon 'context'; the context doesnt specify whom (PNAC terrorists or Anti-PNAC terrorists) may be the user of that weapon

[DuctapeFatwa]

26. Glad you found it. Putting genocide in context is always so tricky ;)

Luckily for PNAC, there seems to be no shortage of folks willing to give it a shot.

[Charlls]

17. they seemingly edited out that line from the pdf

Look at this answer to the alledged "quotation"

http://www.newamericancentury.org/defense-20031125.htm


However, what truly surprises me is how everyone in this thread was acting as if they had actually see the quote, its really disgusting

[ET Awful]

19. The quote IS there.

Look at the page numbers on the pages, not what Acrobat reports as the page number (because it doesn't take into account title page, table of contents, etc.).

It's in the left hand column of Page 60, I just read it not more than 5 minutes ago.

[thebigidea]

25. how truly disgusting and unamerican it is to criticize PNAC!

I'm gonna tell Billy Kristol on you! Waaah!

[alfredo]

31. If your pdf allows search, plug in "biological" and you should get

7 hits.

I am not sure if he is advocationg that type of weapon or not.

[Charlls]

32. in fact he is not

he is just assuming a future political scenario where the use of such weapons will be 'common'

However obviously you will not able to conclude if that proposed scenario its, besides being 'common', also 'politically acceptable'

[alfredo]

42. I don't know what is worse, a careful reading or just skimming

wither way it is scary.

[muriel_volestrangler]

24. google's cache of .pdf files is limited

to the first few thousand words (I don't know how many, but I have seen pdfs that Google doesn't index the last part of). In fact if you look at the Google HTML version http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:ruMnHnl98cAJ:www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf+%22rebuilding+americas+defenses%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 you see it only has up to page 40.

[Stephanie]

33. The quote IS there

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

page 72 of the PDF, page 60 of the numbered document pages. The entire paragraph:

Although it may take several decades
for the process of transformation to unfold,
in time, the art of warfare on air, land, and
sea will be vastly different than it is today,
and “combat” likely will take place in new
dimensions: in space, “cyber-space,” and
perhaps the world of microbes. Air warfare
may no longer be fought by pilots manning
tactical fighter aircraft sweeping the skies of
opposing fighters, but a regime dominated
by long-range, stealthy unmanned craft. On
land, the clash of massive, combined-arms
armored forces may be replaced by the
dashes of much lighter, stealthier and
information-intensive forces, augmented by
fleets of robots, some small enough to fit in
soldiers’ pockets. Control of the sea could
be largely determined not by fleets of
surface combatants and aircraft carriers, but
from land- and space-based systems, forcing
navies to maneuver and fight underwater.
Space itself will become a theater of war, as
nations gain access to space capabilities and
come to rely on them; further, the distinction
between military and commercial space
systems – combatants and noncombatants –
will become blurred. Information systems
will become an important focus of attack,
particularly for U.S. enemies seeking to
short-circuit sophisticated American forces.
And advanced forms of biological warfare
that can “target” specific genotypes may
transform biological warfare from the realm
of terror to a politically useful tool.

[kaitykaity]

10. Thousands of Iraqis, thousands of Afghanis . . .

aren't they already trying?

[DuctapeFatwa]

11. Don't think of it as evil

Think of it as aggressive tactics to increase revenues.

It's not personal, just business.

[AndyTiedye]

22. If They SAY they are That Evil, They are Probably Telling the Truth

Even Hitler never stooped that low.

[Homer12]

13. Is their a Liberal Genotype

[seemslikeadream]

14. 3.5 million souls have been lost in Congo since 1998

I believe it's already happening and no one has noticed.

[muriel_volestrangler]

28. Lost from a disease?

Since you specify the Congo and 1998, I presume you don't mean AIDS - and 3.5 million dead from it in the last 6 years sounds a little high even for there.

[seemslikeadream]

34. It is reported in the press that this is because of civil war

but it is not.

The Lost World War

The war on Iraq is not the only war in the world and it is not the only war being fought for our material benefit. Western consumers' seemingly insatiable demand for mobile phones, laptops, games consoles and other luxury electronic goods has been fuelling violent conflict and killing millions in the Democratic Republic of Congo. (formerly Zaire)

The Democratic Repubilc of Congo is possibly the most mineral rich place on earth though this has proved a curse to the people of the Congo. The Congo holds millions of tons of diamonds, copper, colbalt, zinc, manganese, uranuim and coltan. Coltan, a substance made up of columbium and tantallum, is a particularly valuable resource - used to make mobile phones, night vision goggles, fiber optics, and micro-capacitors.

http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/newsletter/issue13/issue13_part3.htm

War in Congo has claimed over three million lives since 1998 alone. Innocent civilians have been brutalized, massacred raped and tortured by all parties to the conflict. It began with the U.S. sponsored invasion of Rwanda in 1994, and followed with two subsequent US sponsored invasions of Congo in 1996 and 1998. These are not the simple civil wars declared by the western press. Even the Rwanda genocide has to some extent been manufactured in the American mind to serve the mythology of tribalism. Meanwhile, American green berets and military advisors and Pentagon officials have participated from blackboard to battlefield.

http://www.audarya-fellowship.com/showflat/cat/WorldNews/48471/3/collapsed/5/o/1

[DuctapeFatwa]

38. The depopulation of Africa is progressing very nicely

A combination of strategies, both standard and innovative is the winning combination for successful results.

[ChiefJoseph]

18. I think that if anyone comes up with...

..."biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes" they will be used by radical Islamists against the Jews. I don't see any other group being targeted by such weapons.

[Homer12]

21. Creating Organisms that can reproduce at an alarming rate

will mutate and trade gene's in the environment.

Yes, this is a doomsday weapon.

[LeahMira]

27. Ah, "Chief Joseph" ...

... don't you think we'd like to get rid of all those pesky American Indians? There they are sitting on our uranium and our oil and coal resources and keeping our paper manufacturers from getting at all those trees? Besides which, they keep insisting that our government owes them billions of dollars in individual trust fund monies.

Sorry, CJ, but your name got me going on a tangent there. I really don't think we have to look to the Arabs and the Jews over there in the Middle East though. Already some of the "Christians" are wondering if homosexuality might actually be biological so maybe we could "fix" them while they're still in the womb.

Would PNAC use such a weapon? You bet your bippie they would ... and at least a third of the country would shed its usual crocodile tears but claim it had to be done to save "American values" and the "American way of life."

We'd better wipe the floor with these PNAC guys, because if we don't do it now it might be too late later on.

[LeahMira]

23. In a word...

Is PNAC evil enough to perpetrate a Holocaust?

Absolutely.

That's a 90 page article you referenced, so on the basis of the context of that article I really can't say. But on the basis of what these people have already proved themselves capable, why would anyone think they would not perpetrate a holocaust?

[leftofthedial]

30. yes

undoubtedly

[anarchy1999]

35. Absolutely no question in my mind.

Research who these men are, what they are responsible for in the past, read up on Operation Northwoods.

No Doubt, Whatsoever.

Remember that famous Sunday when Russert asked Bush what he would do if he lost the coming election. Without a moments hesitation and very emphatically Bush replied, "I'm not going to lose". As I read in another post that day, it is not a matter of "Can the election be fixed?", it is a matter of "What is the fix" and where is it, what will it be?

Game over.

Unless, "We the People" stop it this time, if we have the chance.

[Shoedogg]

36. Yes.

No doubt.
For sure.
Certainly.
Without a second thought.
Sure would!

And, sadly, I think the general public would be brainwashed into being behind it all the way. Hell, we might be halfway there now.

[renegade000]

37. yeah...it's scary

[Junkdrawer]

39. Only if they have to to save their own asses...

:shrug:

[RegenerationMan]

40. It will be called DUBYA DUBYA III !!

IMAGINE PRESIDENT KERRY!

[baldguy]

41. They would only need

money, power, a subservient news media to spread their propaganda, and an apathetic public.

Damn, we need to WIN in Nov!