It's not the Dems campaign that has caused bush* to slide in polls.

[spanone]

The white house claims as does Laura Bush that w*s poll numbers are slipping due to the democrats aiming all their gripes at the president. Could it possibly be that the people are getting hip to all the Bushit. David Kay report: No WMD's. Valerie Plame outing: Cheney's office? No JOBS!!!!, AWOL scandal, Halliburton screwing, Cheney insisting we found WMD's, No way out of Iraq, Soldiers dying daily after w* declares end to major conflicts, stonewalling 9/11 commision and on and on...people will only put up with soooo much.

[sangh0]

1. So let me see if I understand this

The people wised up, even though the media didn't inform them or the Democrats. Somehow, these people just suddenly and mysteriously got "hip"?

[JuniorPlankton]

3. Nah, most of that was known

Only after the Dem primaries kept the issues in the media did *'s rating slide.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

7. Welcome to DU Junior!

Glad to have you on board!! :yourock:

[Robin Hood]

11. Nooooo.

Bush started sinking after the Kay report came out. Now he has no credibility because he lied and people died and continue to die.

[spanone]

8. you understand it perfectly

[sangh0]

9. Do you believe in magic?

.

[Cat Atomic]

12. Well, are *you* magic?

You're obviously aware of all these issues, so why is so hard to believe that the rest of the population is catching on to them as well? People talk to each other. They do read alternative media. Fox News doesn't control thought.

[sangh0]

13. Do you really think

that all those Republicans who are fed up with Bush* came to that conclusion because they read alternative media? Do you really think people are turning against Bush* because they talk to people who support Bush*?

Fox News doesn't control thought, but the alternative media do not reach enough people to account for an unnamed Dem beating Bush* in recent polls.

[Cat Atomic]

15. Some things don't need explaining.

Like job losses. If you're unemployed, you don't give a shit what the television says, you're going to be angry. People talk about these things.

I didn't mean to suggest that alternative press is widely read- only that *is* read, and that people do talk to one another. Ideas spread and moods change very quickly, even without the help of cable television.

[sangh0]

16. Job losses don't account for it

There have been less than 3 million job lost, and many of them don't vote.

[Cat Atomic]

18. Are you seriously suggesting that

that our economic situation isn't a major influence on voters? Are you really saying that Democratic presidential nominees have more of an impact on Bush's approval ratings than his handling of our domestic economy?

Most people aren't stupid. They see these things happening around them, whether the media acknowledges it or not.

[sangha]

23. No, I am seriously suggesting

that it does not explain the drop in his numbers. The economy has been bad jobwise for quite some time now. In fact, if anything the job market is picking up a bit. We may not be creating jobs as fast as we need to, but at least we're no longer losing jobs.

Swings in public opinion this large are rarely the result of one thing.

[Bandit]

19. A lot of things just don't make sense

And that includes the things that have come out of this administration for three years. Even with Fox putting a completely Pro GOP spin on everything it just doesn't ring true and people realize it. They don't need the Democrats to tell them, they hear it daily on FOX, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC etc. People have an uncanny knack for filtering out the Busllshit.

[sangha]

24. That's not even close to an argument

"It's true even if it doesn't make sense because lots of things don't make sense" isn't the strongest argument you could make.

[shimmergal]

25. There's a lot more people involuntarily out of work than those figures sho

Plus, most of the unemployed have family who're affected by it, at least emotionally.

Not to mention all the people who watch the outsourcing, and know that it could happen to them next.

[truthspeaker]

2. maybe because the "gripes" are TRUE?

If you don't want me trolling for trash, then stop throwing trash in the water.

[ComerPerro]

14. No shit

Call it dirty politics, but the truth is ugly. That is their fault.

[KayLaw]

4. Impossible

Are you saying a Republican should actually take responsibility for his own actions? HAH! Never happen. They're just victims, you know.:nopity:

[lancdem]

5. I've been annoyed at that argument, too

Clinton in 1996 and Reagan in 1984 didn't lose approval during their opponents' primaries. In fact, they were trending up, while Bush is trending down. If you're doing a good job, no amount of bashing from the other side will make a difference.

[onehandle]

6. To be fair, it is a little about the primaries...

But it is more about the economy, WMD, dead soldiers, and foolish actions by Bush himself.

[rasputin1952]

17. Having all of those candidates also forced issues...

issues that the admin can't answer, or refuse to.

Helps to keep them on their toes, so to speak. Al Sharpton is great at sniping, and he forces issues, so that there must be a response. This is one of the things, the eventual nominee should pick up on; forces the issue.

We'll see what happens. Word is from the bush camp, they're coming out of the gate w/negativity. In the end, whomever the candidate, he gets my vote. It is imperative for the nation, that bush be shown the door.

O8)

[PaDUer]

10. Pickles should go take

a powder.

[snippy]

20. Just look at the trend in Bush's poll numbers since 9/11.

He has been in a steady down trend since then with the occasional bump. Bush's "slide in the polls" is nothing other than the American people looking and listening to Bush and realizing that he is an incompetent liar. Day by day and voter by voter, Bush himself is convincing the American people that he should not be president.

[onethatcares]

21. can I get a big Amen to that?

prior to my killing this thread that is.

[rasputin1952]

22. LOL, I am the king of thread killers!...

bush is his own worst enemy. Once again, EVERYTHING he has every touched, has ended in complete failure. I see no reason why this administration should change that. He is toast, and they all know it.

O8)