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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:15 PM
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Could a Concealed Cocaine Charge Be the Reason?
Bush Press Secretary Refuses to Answer "Yes" or "No" on Court-Ordered Community Service

Could a Concealed Cocaine Charge Be the Reason?                    

If you've read my documented evidence of Bush's absence without leave (AWOL) from the National Guard and my recent op-ed on this, you know that the heart of the question is why Bush refused a direct order from the National Guard suspending his pilot's license and ordering him to take a medical examination that included a drug test.  Bush has never explained why he quit flying, but his refusal to say whether he was using cocaine at the time provides a clue.  Another clue is the Houston community service that Bush performed in early 1973 -- totally out of character for him -- that provides a likely reason why Bush missed guard duty.  Was this community service court ordered so as to expunge his cocaine charge?

Check out this amazing exchange yesterday between veteran political reporter Helen Thomas and Bush press secretary Scott McClellan.  Why won't McClellan give a simple "yes" or "no" to Thomas's question?

http://radioinsidescoop.com/wst_page19.html
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:17 PM
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1. You win the beautiful lounge suite!
And I will personally send $10 to the first reporter to ask Chimpy this question during a live, televised White House news conference.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:18 PM
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2. Cocaine gets you laid, or did back then...
I wonder if he was seducing young girls with it?
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:35 PM
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10. Wow!
Quite a leap.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 11:25 PM
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18. He could END all the baseless speculation...
...by coming clean!

(And that's the point.)
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 11:43 PM
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19. By coming clean and saying...
...he was an AWOLing, coke sniffing, child molester? Not likely.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 11:45 PM
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20. Until he comes clean...
... we are free to imagine that community service was for ANYTHING.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 11:47 PM
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21. We can imagine...
...that he is Hitler's love child. What's the point?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 11:54 PM
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22. Too young for that!
The point is that he is covering something up. We can reasonably know that. Until and unless he comes clean on what he was convicted of, we should make it clear that we will spin that it was SOMETHING TERRIBLE, because that is just how the Republicans would spin this against any Democrat. I think we need to feed back to them just a taste of the fecal porridge they have been dishing out to us since Clinton won in '92.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:19 PM
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3. Common knowledge in Texas.
Along with the current gov's same sexcapades.
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MsUnderstood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:21 PM
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4. Can I answer your question?
Can I answer your question? Sure it is. Can I ask you why you're asking it? I'm just -- out of curiosity myself, is that permissible?

hahaha that was funny...answering a question with a question
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:22 PM
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5. Well, is it yes or no?
Why can't you answer the question?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:23 PM
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6. only rich kids did community
service back then and it would had to be a serious offence to warrent cs. those records are gone but there is still something there
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distortionmarshall Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:28 PM
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7. yesterday?
um, wasn't that exchange like a week ago?

awesome for taking the blinders off, with regards to the nature of the administration tho....
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rvgwinn Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:52 PM
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16. McClellan
One would think this exchange would get top billing on the nightly newes. The majority of the hard working public never sees or hears of this naked stupidity.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:34 PM
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8. Yes.
n/t
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:34 PM
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9. Wow, I haven't seen tapdancing like that in ages

  • changes the topic
  • attacks the questioner
  • calls it politics
  • calls it old history
  • calls it "rumours"


I take it there's something wrong with "no" that makes it even worse than "yes".
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Brian Sweat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:36 PM
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11. I'd be willing to be real money that it is.
I'm also guessing that Terry McAuliffe has gotten wind of something to the effect that Shrub's DD214 is proof of this.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:42 PM
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12. Helen Thomas asked those questions LAST FRIDAY.

Josh Marshall (www.talkingpointsmemo.com) posted that lengthy exchange between Thomas and Scott McClellan the same day, but it's from the "gaggle," the untelevised press briefing. Only the transcripts of televised press briefings are posted at the White House site. At the televised live briefing later that day, Helen Thomas was never called on.

Later that afternoon, the White House released George W. Bush's National Guard records, too late for reporters to do more than a brief review for the evning news. But have they talked about it this week? Have I just missed all the serious discussion of the gaps in Dubya's record? Has Sam Donaldson predicted Bush's resignation yet?
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:47 PM
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13. uh, she also asked it in Thursday's TELEVISED
press conference.

Snotty refused to hear, much less answer the question.

But Helen certainly did bring up 'community service' (haven't checked the WH transcript but wouldn't put it past them to experience a transcript 'malfunction'....
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 12:08 AM
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23. He asked her why she was asking the question
over and over ...

It was insulting , I hope all those reporters
saw the desperation in scott...
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:48 PM
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14. A rough timeline of all this is starting to emerge
Edited on Fri Feb-20-04 05:50 PM by starroute
It's becoming clear that something significant happened before May of 1972. It may have been a cocaine arrest, it may have been Bush crashing a plane because of being high or drunk, but whatever it was, it had to have been before he went off to Alabama. Up until May, his files are complete and his reports highly positive. From May on, holes and unexplained events start to appear.

If the January 1973 work with PULL in Houston was community service, it has to have been for something Bush did while he was in Texas -- which again points back to the period just prior to May of 1972 (because he was in Alabama most of the time from May to December.)

It this line of speculation is correct, it means that the refusal to take the physical in the summer of 1972 was probably not the precipitating event, because Bush would have been in trouble well before then. Perhaps he had already been grounded and therefore saw no point in trying to maintain his flight status, or perhaps he was afraid it would reveal he was continuing to use cocaine after promising a court he had stopped.

But the spring of 1972 has to be the crucial period.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:52 PM
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15. Ooppsss...
http://www.essays.cc/free_essays/f1/lmy109.shtml

During his stay at Yale Bush had two encounters with the law including drunkenness and misdemeanor theft.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 11:23 PM
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17. kick n/t
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RowWellandLive Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 12:16 AM
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24. No one cares
except us of course!

Seriously, let's address the current and pressing issues. Unless we can prove Bush has done drugs recently it won't hurt him. All the major politicians are hypocrites on the drug issue anyway. Kerry admits to smoking pot but at last check is against decriminalization. We have the economy, job losses, no WMD's, body bags, etc. Best to stick to that.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 11:33 AM
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25. Yes, it can and will hurt him
But it's not because of the possible drug use.

It's because Bush has been strutting around in a flight suit, playing the Commander in Chief for all he's worth. If he ducked out on his National Guard service and got an honorable discharge only through family pull, that shows him up as a phony.

It's because his records were apparently scrubbed as recently as 1997, when Bush was first contemplating running for president.

It's because Vietnam is still a very live issue, and Vietnam veterans are not disposed to think well of someone who first got a safe berth due to family connections and they blew off even that relatively easy service as though it was of no significance.

Disrespect for the military, claiming honors that are not his, and recent attempts at a coverup are all character issues. And "character" has been and will continue to be the centerpiece of Bush's campaign (since he certainly can't run on the basis of his policies.) This is where he's most vulnerable, and this is where he can be hit hardest.
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