Bring it on Nader

[Lefty48197]

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It appears that Ralph Nader is considering another run at the Presidency. If he chooses to run, then I say, "Bring it on, Ralph".
In 2000, Nader single handedly gave the election to Dumbyah, when he got 95,000 votes in Florida. I wonder how many of the Nader2000 voters would be Nader2004 voters? Would at least 600 of them change their minds?
Certainly, many of them would vote Democratic, because they now realize how hurtful Republican administrations are. Others may be determined to go like martyrs.
As Democrats, we cannot sit back and let Ralph Nader Inc. hand another election to the Bush and his corporate friends who are raiding the American cookie jar. We must prepare to fight for the Presidency, regardless of who is the opponent. If Nader chooses to step into the crossfire, then so be it.
We must attack Ralph Nader, just as we will attack George W. Bush.

It's that simple.

We must be prepared to launch a campaign against Nader and his policies. The campaign will have to be fought in several states, including Florida. States like Washington, Oregon, New Mexico, Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin were made very close in 2000 due to the Nader votes. We can't afford to lose any of those states. We can win without Florida, but we can't win if we don't sweep those other states. Winning Florida locks up the election for us.

This is far too important to merely hit Ralph Nader with kid gloves. We have to crush him like a bug on a windshield. We have to make the fight personal, just like it will be personal between Dumbyah and ______. If Nader wants to run again, then he better plan on getting attacked so much, that his reputation will never recover.

Our nation is depending upon us.
Bring it on Ralph.

[papau]

1. interesting facts on Nader at link below

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=371502

[mhr]

2. Nader Did Not Lose The Election For Gore In Florida

Get You Story Straight. That Honor Goes To Jeb And Kathleen.

If you need an education watch this video.

http://www.ericblumrich.com/gta

It will take about two minutes of your time.

I hope you are up for the research.

Stop spreading lies just because you have a personal vendetta against Nader.

[Lefty48197]

3. I do not need an education, or a lecture

I understand fully what happened in 2000. It is absolutely true that 95,000 Florida residents voted for Ralph Nader for President. Do you think all 95,000 of them would have voted for Ralph if they knew what was going to happen? I think not. Yes, the martyrs that I spoke of, are willing to die with Ralph Inc., but I'm not going to stand back and let my country suffer, because of their ignorance. Personally, I think all 95,000 of them owe this entire country a big fucking apology. Forget about Kathleen and Jeb, if 600 of them voters had voted for a leftist with a legitimate shot at the Presidency, then Bush wouldn't be holding the door open while his and Ralph's corporate friends are looting America's homes.
For an accurate account of the events that went on after the Nader voters gave the election to Dumbyah, I personally recommend "Too close to call" by Jeff Toobin.

[mhr]

6. Your Opinion Only, Your Anger Should Be Directed At Jeb, Kathleen And DLC

take care.

[KG]

4. go get 'em!

:D

[PVnRT]

5. Yeah, the Supreme Court had nothing to do with it

Nor the purging of voter rolls in Florida and elsewhere.

Nope, all Nader's fault...really...keep telling yourself that so you don't have to address any real voter fraud issues.

[Deja Q]

8. Thank you!

It's nice to know that some people chose to look at other factors that were involved in Election 2000, and not home in on one factor and dump all the blame (and excrement) onto solely Nader. Especially since Election 2002 showed how much support the Greens had LOST.

I don't know who's worse, the trite and warped Nader-haters or the up'n'coming NB_'ers...

[mobuto]

19. The Supreme Court took 550 votes from Gore in Florida

Ralph Nader took 95,000.


Reelect Bush:
Vote for Nader.

[Lefty48197]

12. Right now, I'm addressing Candidate Fraud

that is a candidate who is pretending to be a friend of the environment, while working to put George Bush in the WH. Thanks Ralph. Thanks for the arsenic in the water, the smog in the air, the drilling in the wetlands, the oil spills, the coal fumes... thanks Ralphie. We're gonna smear his ass from Trenton to Los Angeles. He had a real fun time playing the part of the untalented kid who sits on the sidelines and criticizes others. Ralph wants the big time? He's got it! Don't say you didn't ask for it Ralph, and don't cry when you've been buried under your own bullshit.

[Deja Q]

7. Bring it on NB_ folk!

Sigh, I'm tired of Nader being the judas goat. The greens got much less support in 2002 than they did in 2k. You really think Nader's got any clout? :eyes:

As to election 2000, other factors like major candidates running crap campaigns, Presidents screwing interns and leaving messy spots for everybody to capitalize on (duh, would YOU keep it a secret if you were doing the deed with the most powerful man on the planet?!), the Supremely Partisan court, and unethical actions perpetrated by the governorship and administration of the state of Florida.

Get real: Greens are as relevant as used toilet paper. Election 2002 rather proved that...

Lots of NB_ folk who will do a write-in vote for their precious candidate ARE the problem of 2004.

Concentrate on them, and if I turn out to be right, I'm going to be as vicious and focused as all the Nader-haters have been. (Unlike them regarding the failure of Election 2000, I'd also remind people EVERY reason why Election 2004 was a failure...)

Let's concentrate on the past and shut up already about the failures of 2000. If we've learned since 2000, we would have seen it in 2002. Oops, we didn't. We better damn well have learned since then...

Yeah, I'm angry. Just like you are.

Edited: Spelling, grammar.

[mobuto]

20. So its Bill Clinton's penis' fault

that Ralph Nader ran against Gore, splitting the Left's vote, and getting George W. elected in 2000?

What's done is done.

Just don't make the same mistake twice.

If you vote for anybody other than the Democratic candidate, you will be wasting a vote that would otherwise go towards defeating Bush.

[GreenNADER]

9. we need a 3rd party

the Democrat Leadership destroyed the Dean campaign and picked one of their own, Mr Kerry.

The World is doomed if we dont start looking at REAL ALTERNATIVES and stop following the Democrats leadership that has sold us out to the big corporations.

The green party needs only a few percent in each state, and it will be real political force in all future elections.

[Lefty48197]

13. The DLC destroyed the Dean campaign?

I thought it was the fact that he hit a ceiling of 19% at the ballot box.

[Obamarama]

10. Crush him like a bug on a windshield.....

I like that imagery.

Nader and the idiots who waste their votes on him clearly must be doing some type of psychotrpoic drugs if they think they can make a difference.

Why does Nader the Nebish INSIST on playing roulette with our freedom?

Crush him like a bug, indeed.

[GreenNADER]

11. Mr Flip-Flop wont beat the chimp

Mr Flip-Flop(the pro-iraq war voting,Lurch Munster looking) Kerry wont beat the chimp.

Our only hope was with Dean, and the fat-cats in the Democrat leadership was scared of him. They destroyed his campaign and picked their fellow Washington fat-cat.

the Democrat Leadership sold us all out.

[mdmc]

14. First welcome to DU!

Second - Stupid ass democrats think that wasting time bashing greens is a better way to secure the white house than convincing ELIGABLE NON VOTERS to join the Democratic Party.

Every anti Green thread represents time wasted bashing greens instead of courting NON VOTING DEMOCRATS.

Gore lost in 2000, not because of Nader, but because 3% more dems didn't vote. If the Dems think along these lines. then we won't be resigned to failure.

If our only chance at victory is a two way race, GOD HELP US. Greens, and Nader, have the constitutional right to run. The Dems can work hard to court new interest, or perish.

When you fight the Republicans, you might win.
When you fight the greens, you perish.

[Obamarama]

16. WHAT DON'T THE GREENS GET????

I am so FUCKING sick of hearing the Greens spout their ignorant rubbish about Nader not conttributing to Gore's loss in 2000.

They indeed DID, and the numbers in Florida PROVE it. And for that, yeah..the Greens DESERVE to get bashed.

The truth hurts. The Greens would be wise to remember the old adage: Those who do not learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them.

PICK UP THE CLUE PHONE.

[mdmc]

18. I accept the blame for Bush's 2000 victory as a Green voter

Now please accept that the Democratic Party needs to remember that same adage: Those who do not learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them.

Some Greens have been converted by the ugliness of Bush. Those that remain stay due to the ugliness of the Democratic Party.

The best way to build our party is to reform what is outdated and broken, and to reach out to the wealth of non voters that exist in America. The Greens are building their movement (and in truth, I think that it is a beautiful and courageous thin), we should be building ours.

3% of all voters voted Green. Democrats need to build their base by 5% to counteract this loss. WE CAN DO THIS!

[ChiefHappyButt]

17. critical thinking?

read about why Kerry voted IWR. Was it because he wanted the country to unilaterally invade and occupy? No.

What do looks have to do with anything? Is Nader a poster boy for male beauty?

Dean lost his bid because fewer people voted for him. That simple.

I don't subscribe to the "everyone who doesn't think like me is a sheep in peoples skin" view.

I support Kucinich, but I am also realistic. I also read the candidates direct statements instead of having my opinion formed by the media slant or DLC or DNC or anyone else.

[mobuto]

21. How about Mr. Hypocrite? AKA Nader

The so-called leftist who opposes environmental laws, treats his workers like shit, makes millions and busts unions, all the while working behind the scenes to splinter the Left.

Kerry wont beat the chimp.

He sure as hell won't beat him if you don't vote for him in the General.

[Lefty48197]

15. We only have one lifetime to make this world a better place

and the Nader voters just stole 4 years from us. Instead of spending the current term fighting to improve the lives of working families, we're fighting an unnecessary war in Iraq. We're fighting against the ANWR proposal, the Yucca Mountain proposal, and Bush's EPA. We're fighting to protect workers' rights, instead of EXPAND them.
We've lost four full years of potential progress, that we will never get back. What exactly did this country gain from Ralph's candidacy in 2000?

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