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Charlls Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 07:59 AM
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About Haiti and the 'general opinion' about it in DU
Edited on Sun Feb-22-04 08:00 AM by Charlls

Hi


the latest threads here in DU relative to Haiti seem to not allow any margin to the doubt: Definitely US is again following their own foottracks, moving they chess pieces in the backyard. All the impression of a incoming civil war is just the symptom of another Media smoke screen

Lets think this through a bit: Aristide main reason for not allowing his main oposition is that they belong to the rich elite of mulatos<1> which dont accept that the vast majority of poor african black haitians rule their own country.

However when you see the confrontations they are between african black vs. african black. And in Haiti there is no much Media left to wash their minds so efficiently to confuse some black haitians into fightings other people war.

So.. can i say that it smells to me that the only one fishy here is Aristide?



ON EDIT:<1>:Mulato is the mixture of african native and south american native ethnies
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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 08:03 AM
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1. I dont know too much about Haiti,
but the US media is being very deceptive about the situation. They seem to be silently siding with the opposition through the language they use to describe the situation. From my experience, when the US silently takes sides in a conflict its usually not for the best. I believe both sides are very tainted, but my gut tells me that Aristide is in the right here.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 08:11 AM
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2. go to
<http://www.blackcommentator.com> this site has all you need to know about haiti,be sure to click the links in the article. then bookmark the site because these people have one of the best sites on the web.....
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Charlls Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 08:15 AM
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3. blah


that article express exactly the counter-mainstream point of view about Haiti. Nothing less, nothing more. Of course, that doesnt mean its false. However, only because its against the mainstream media opinion, is not automagically true

<-- not amused
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 08:24 AM
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4. they should continue their revolt against US puppet dictator Aristide
The man's a scumbag, put in power by the US.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 08:54 AM
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5. The US has been anti-aristide
and anti democracy in haiti for a century.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=374354#375414

Given the US has been constantly deceptive about its intentions, in
the media, it is aristide, indeed, but beneath that, until haiti
throws out the ameircans, it will stay a poor broken state. Contrast
this to "evil" cuba where ameircan invasions have been rebuffed.

The american track record of destroying nearby nations is reprehensible. We should leave haiti the fuck alone.
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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 02:04 PM
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6. I suggest Amy Cua's "World on Fire"
Edited on Sun Feb-22-04 02:05 PM by sangha
which is about how rapid democratization and free market reforms combines in states with a "market dominant ethnic monority" combine to increase ethnic strife.

Lets think this through a bit: Aristide main reason for not allowing his main oposition is that they belong to the rich elite of mulatos<1> which dont accept that the vast majority of poor african black haitians rule their own country.

However when you see the confrontations they are between african black vs. african black.


While they amy seem like the same ethnic groups to you, that is only because you are American (or European) and we tend to see things through a racial lens, and we often equate ethnicity with race, as that is how it has fallen historically speaking. However, this is not true in other nations.

The economies of many nations in Southeast Asia, such as Indonesia, Burma, Thailand, Singapore etc, are dominated by ethnic Chinese who control a large majority of those nations commerce and who are of the race as the indiginous majority, but of a different ethnicity and culture.

Free trade tends to enrich these ethnic minorities because they are the ones with the capital and entrepreneurial experience to exploit the opportunities free trade creates. Meanwhile, rapid democratization allows the poor, indiginous majority to express their resentments at the polls, leading politicians to exploit the ethnic tensions for their political benefit while extorting money from the ethnic minority who need protection from the masses.
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