Is there a chance that neoconservatism will die even if Bush is reelected?

[anti-NAFTA]

This article by Pat Buchanan suggests that neoconservatives may have bitten off more than they can chew http://amconmag.com/3_1_04/cover.html

I also read in The Economist that he may ditch Dick Cheney in favor of someone less controversial and less symbolic of corporate cronyism.

edit: The Buchanan article is really long, so I'll spare you your time and give you a summary: It's a rebuttal of a National Review smear piece by David Frum calling anti-war conservatives like Bob Novak, Buchanan, Taki, etc. unpatriotic. Buchanan gives his usual comments on the history of the neoconservatives and says that Bush's father would never have put up with their trash.

[Fovea]

1. It will die,

but not before starting the mother of all holy wars,
shattering the world markets, and doing things to our economy that make us long for the heady days of 1931.

And what non-criminal in their right mind would be his Veep at this point?

Best to vote the dipwad out.

[anti-NAFTA]

2. What mother of all holy wars?

I'm asking whether it's possible whether he cleans house in January if he's re-elected. If the neocons are thrown out isn't it possibly America will go back to the Bush pere diplomatic, pragmatic foreign policy? Granted, trade policy and the budget would still be a mess but is there any hope for foreign policy?

You can trust on my voting for the Democratic nominee though.

I like your screen name.

[Fovea]

8. I do not see how he can possibly clean house

Edited for sp&punc.
Thanks for your comment about the nick.

He is surrounded by his constituency and peer group.

Oil, Military Mfg&Services , and Global Water & Energy traders.

They are the checkbook of PNAC, and it's retirement plan.
If they go, what point does he have to be there? Only the pro armageddon crowd would be left. And he would be better without Ashcroft than he would without Cheney. He, being Rove.

The Republican party of Bush without Cheney would far better run a McCain/Giuliani ticket, IMO.

[silverlib]

3. I don't think so

PNAC is too strong. The religious right and "American Dynasty" are too strong. The Republican Party will not survive, the neocons will. As has been said before, thrse are not the Eisenhower Republicans we negotiated with in the past. They may be called Republicans, but mission is different.

I think Buchanan has read some books, unlike a lot of the religious right. As mentioned in another thread, there ARE a lot of fundamental Christians bailing from Bush, but I think the hold and the mission and the money are too strong. Too much has already been put into place.

Gee, I'm not usually so negative. I do, however, think we can stop them if the votes count and we keep working to have our voices heard.

[burythehatchet]

4. I'm afraid not

The more I read and explore the whole Dominionism movement, the more I have come to realize that this age has been decades in the making. Fasten your seat belt.

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_5160.shtml

[Cat Atomic]

5. That's a very interesting question. Here's why I think it wouldn't.

At least not in the next four years.

One of the central tennets of these Straussians is that the people should be deceived whenever possible. They completely disregard the will of the people. Look at Bush's dismissal of millions of anti-invasion protestors as a "focus group".

I think the neocons would cram four more years of their radical agenda down the world's throat if Bush is reelected.

[burythehatchet]

6. Agreed

W is probably the most replacable of any of them. In fact, I continue to suspect that he will be hung out to dry come election time. If Kerry is the winner, the Straussians will put up with him and hamstring him. But their larger agenda is well on its way to fruition. The endtimes are upon us - whether we believe it or not.

[anti-NAFTA]

7. You made me think of something.

Is it possible that neocons can get a foot in a Democratic administration? Maybe people who aren't directly affiliated with Perle but who have a similar agenda? If they're that deceitful.

I kind of miss Wesley Clark even though I bashed him like hell when he was running. He was the only candidate who actually pointed the finger at the neocons and not just Bush.

[peacetalksforall]

10. The Clark comment is very important...no representatives of ours

name them or address the cabal...(they may be thinking about the suicides out of high windows when the purpose of the visit to the room with the high window was a meeting, not a suicide).

Everyone, including people on this list, ALWAYS focus on Bush and make it appear as if Bush thought it all up. If they put the Resident Deficit out to rake his shrub, then they'll have the entire country thinking that the problem has evaporated.

Their agenda evolved over many decades, it's not going away.

[Doctor_J]

15. I doubt

that PNAC would control a Dem admin. Our party has too much integrity and too many people who actually care about the world to give in. People like Wes Clark, Dennis Kucinich, Howard Dean, Dick Durbin, Henry Waxman, Russ Feingold, Weiden, Granhom, etc, etc. would shut down the country before allowing this kind of crap to go on.

[jpgray]

9. Of course. But it will die much more abruptly if Bush is shitcanned. (nt)

[peacetalksforall]

11. Wrong...read 10 above.

[Deja Q]

12. Hardly (read it for the lovely insults if nothing else!)

Like the borg, they are relentless.

Look at Reagan, the human filth who started it all. Look at Poppy Bush, another piece of human garbage. Despite Clinton's habit of bipartisanship with them, look at everything they pulled against him in return... "No good deed goes unpunished"?

Then look at Dippydum*, who is an entire landfill's worth of rotting waste.

They won't go away.

[anti-NAFTA]

13. Poppy Bush would never have dealt

with the neocons like this. To the oil mafia, yes; but I wouldn't call him a neocon enabler. I don't know if it's Buchanan or the Economist that says that Bush Sr. is pressuring Bush to get a grip on his administration.

[loudnclear]

14. No, they are devious people; they will just morph into something else.

But their agenda will remain the same: US hegemeny and imperialism, Israeli sovereignty over the ME, oligarchial rule of western nations.