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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 08:34 PM
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An Open Letter To Andrew Sullivan
Dear Andrew,

You undoubtedly have never heard of me, and it's unlikely you'll actually read this. I write a weekly column for Democratic Underground. You have occasionally mentioned Democratic Underground in your blog, but usually it's been to take a particularly damning quote from a particularly loopy post and present it out of context as if it is representative of the kind of debate that normally goes on there. Well, for the record, there are over 30,000 people registered at Democratic Underground, and not all of us are lunatics. Well, not the bad kind of lunatics, anyhow. But all that is neither here nor there.

Last time I visited your blog it was after hearing about your elaboration of the "flypaper theory" about the war in Iraq. At the time, I remember wondering why, since you do appear to be smart enough to know better, you found this load of hooey persuasive. It appeared that for you, or at least for your rhetorically constructed persona, it came down to the fact that you trusted Bush. It's hard for me to imagine what it must be like to trust Bush. But I can see how, if one did, the war in Iraq might have made sense...for a while.

This evening I went over to see how you were taking Bush's announcement of his support for a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. After being, at first, rather taken aback by the explosion of outrage and anger, I did find this interesting passage:

"The president launched a war today against the civil rights of gay citizens and their families. And just as importantly, he launched a war to defile the most sacred document in the land. Rather than allow the contentious and difficult issue of equal marriage rights to be fought over in the states, rather than let politics and the law take their course, rather than keep the Constitution out of the culture wars, this president wants to drag the very founding document into his re-election campaign. He is proposing to remove civil rights from one group of American citizens - and do so in the Constitution itself. The message could not be plainer: these citizens do not fully belong in America. Their relationships must be stigmatized in the very Constitution itself. The document that should be uniting the country will now be used to divide it, to single out a group of people for discrimination itself, and to do so for narrow electoral purposes. Not since the horrifying legacy of Constitutional racial discrimination in this country has such a goal been even thought of, let alone pursued. Those of us who supported this president in 2000, who have backed him whole-heartedly during the war, who have endured scorn from our peers as a result, who trusted that this president was indeed a uniter rather than a divider, now know the truth."

Well, Andrew, you're wrong about one thing. Bush is a uniter. In fact, I think Bush is the only force in all of God's creation capable of making the two of us agree on something.

I just finished putting my column for this week in the can, as it were. It was all about how I came to vote for Nader in 2000, and why I'll be damned if I do it again in 2004. Going back over the Clinton years gave me the opportunity to relive all over again the sense of betrayal and hurt that my partner and I felt as we watched Clinton fail to deliver on promise after promise. But I tell you what, that all must fade to insignificance compared to betrayal and hurt you must be feeling right now. Because if you really, sincerely, trusted Bush all this time, and really, sincerely, believed that he would oppose this amendment out of principle, then this has got to be the mother of all rude awakenings.

You'll be busy sorting out the emotional fallout, no doubt; but there are a few things I wanted to say to you, as one blogger to another. One is that I have always underestimated you. Whenever the question came up, as it sometimes did in the Democratic Underground forums, of whether there was anything Bush could possibly do that would make you realize that supporting him was a mistake, I always said there wasn't. My position was always that you were so determined to identify with the power and privilege represented by the Republican Party that you would never understand that as a gay man you would always be excluded from it. Clearly, I was wrong about that. In fact, I'm pretty sure that I've probably lost some money on it. So I apologize for having assumed that you were more ideologically blinded than you actually are.

The other is just a gentle suggestion that you consider--just consider, mind you--the possibility that just as Bush was lying when he constructed himself as a 'compassionate conservative' during his 2000 campaign, he might--just might--have been lying about a few other things too. And that just as he is perfectly willing to sell out you and the rest of the Log Cabin Republicans in order to pander to his fundmanetalist base, he might have been willing to do a few other highly despicable things to promote his own self-interest. Like starting a bogus war in Iraq, for instance. Just a thought.

And finally, I thought I would share with you this snippet from one of my own columns a couple weeks back, called "Cassandra's Curse:"

"Bush's appearance on ...does represent a real change; and unfortunately it represents the fact that more of our fellow - Americans are now sharing the distress, anxiety, bitterness, and pain we feel when we contemplate the condition of our country. Instead of mourning this change as too little and too late, we should celebrate it as a sign that things are finally getting better. And we should remember that every American who has belatedly come to realize what Bush and his cartel really are has had to come to it through confusion, pain, and anger - just like we did. If we can understand that pain and sympathize with it, then maybe we'll be able to build ourselves a bigger coalition; and maybe, when the future finally arrives, it will be good news for a change."

The stakes are high, the threat is great, and the evil we face is powerful. We need all the allies we can get. Welcome to the fight, Andrew. Onward to victory.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 08:36 PM
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1. 40,000 Plaid
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 08:36 PM by salinen
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 08:39 PM
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2. I like it
:thumbsup:
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 08:41 PM
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3. Fuck Sullivan
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 08:44 PM by Beetwasher
He's a selfish bastard. It's hurting him personally and now he fucking gets it? My Open Letter: Yeah, welcome to the fight, I'm happy to have another ally but I will ALWAYS look at you funny you stupid douche. (not you Plaid you know I love ya! Great job as always!)
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 08:45 PM
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6. Yeah, yeah, I know.
I'm tryin' to take the high road here. It is difficult, I grant you.

You have to realize that coming out is a very, very long process. A lot of people never *really* make it all the way out. Andrew no doubt thinks he's out, but the fact that he remained as deluded abotu the Republicans and gay issues for as long as he did indicates that somewhere inside him, something was clinging to the hope that really, in the end, he wouldn't have to wind up being one of those people that gets discriminated against. He could be just like a straight man, only having sex with men.

Andrew is now going through the final stages of his outcoming, and as a member of the team I feel obliged to be supportive. Who knows what he might become, now that he doesn't have to waste all that energy pretending that up is down.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 08:54 PM
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7. Thanks
I hadn't really thought about it from that perspective...It certainly makes sense...I think Sulli's got some serious reflection and introspection ahead of him...
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 09:11 PM
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12. such grace
i was so in joy witht he paragraph of what this man wrote on what it was doing to a group of people and the constitution, that i know they love, though it has so been abused, adn then your conclusion of how a grand uniter bush is ultimately becoming i say let it be.

i do not have to continue on with battle, i never did have to battle and chose not to battle in the future, it is as you say the state of awareness comes in time, and not to all people and not at once, yet i am certainly willing to embrace and rejoice when it does peep out. the more it is acknowledge the more it grows, this is just the way it all works.

i so thank you for your effort and your sharing. i have those, in my life to share this with. thank you

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lcooksey Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 09:32 PM
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13. Here, here
Well said as usual, oh Plaid one.

:thumbsup:
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 09:08 PM
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10. Gotta point there. Andrew only cares about what affects him
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 09:15 PM by Kahuna
personally. :cry: Boo hoo hoo. Too bad. His widdle bigoted heart is bwoken. Because his great white weader doesn't wike gays.

His civil rights are important. But the civil rights of the people team bush illegally scrubbed from the Florida voter rolls to become president matter not to him and his ilk (whatever that is). Andrew is an enabler. I have no pity for him. When he begins to care about someone other than himself and rich, powerful, white guys, I may change my mind about him.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 08:42 PM
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4. Great letter to Sullivan, Adder.
Very nice writing.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 08:44 PM
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5. Amen Plaid!
:loveya:

Getting ready to head out to a protest here in LA, you got my fire going!

:loveya:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 08:58 PM
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8. i was the world was coming to an end
when i turned on the sunday talking heads and andrew was supporting gay marriage.
i had to duct tape my head to keep it from exploding.
not attractive.
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AmericanErrorist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 09:04 PM
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9. Why didn't you post at the DU Front Page?
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 09:10 PM
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11. Yeah. We know that Andrew trolls DU.
It should be posted on the front page. :thumbsup:
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 09:27 AM
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16. Cause I'd already written my column for this week.
You can't 'post' to the front page; the administrators are the ones who put that together. I emailed the text to Andrew anyway; I don't expect a response.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 07:55 AM
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14. kick for the morning crowd
C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 08:01 AM
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15. Nice letter
Maybe liberals aren't the utter demons and 'rats we're so often said to be.
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 10:19 AM
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17. Awesome!
Thanks Plaidder, great letter...
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:27 AM
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18. A little kick for a great letter... n/t
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 12:12 PM
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19. don't pay offf any "bets", yet
He already has a post up in praise of the president's war... and grand leadership in that effort.

I am not sure how he will eventually come to reconcile the president's actions (e.g., turn on bush, permanently... or learn to rationalize it somehow) - but I suspect that he will find a way to do the latter - some language that will allow him to accept bush's actions in the end. This is how it is with blind ideologues... they may feign outrage at first... but then find some warped logic to explain the inconsistency and return to their original blindness. The most interesting thing, often, is the form that the grand rationalization takes. I could be wrong - have been before... but I would't pay off any bets... yet.
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