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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:28 PM
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More people than you know...I just had a great conversation.
A vendor (A General Contractor) made an odd comment, after a meeting that I attended, that caught my attention. "I hope to god he goes in November" the man mentioned to a co-worker. I jumped on it and let him know how I felt about el Busho and low and behold he was as enraged as I was!

Here are some of the things that HE brought up:

1. LIHOP
2. Rightwing control of the Media
3. Insane deficits
4. Horrible Economic Policies
5. Horrible Environmental Policies
6. Stolen election
7. 2004 could be a disaster if Bush steals it again.
8. Fascism on the doorstep

Needless to say I was shocked...This is SW Florida, not exactly a bastion of Liberalism, and builders are almost ALL rabid conservatives lately.

I asked him which internet sites that he went to, I figured Bartcop at the least, and the answer was "None". Apparently his dad was a pre-CIA guy and he's just intuned with Lying Liars and their Lies. Also he's been hitting the book stores in search of alternative news.

Oh, and by the way, he was a Liberal Republican up to 2000.

I would never have guessed that he was on OUR side...Just goes to show that there are plenty of us out there!

You just have to pay attention.

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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:29 PM
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1. Did you tell him about DU?
He'd feel so at home here.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:29 PM
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2. I love when that happens
That is funny that he mentioned LIHOP. How did he approach it? And how did he phrase it?
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rsdsharp Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:33 PM
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3. What is LIHOP
and the other version of this which slips my mind? It's driving me crazy.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:35 PM
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4. Let It Happen On Purpose.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:38 PM
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6. Made it happen on purpose
I fall in that category because I believe he gave an order for the military jets to stand down, thereby allowing the airliners to crash where they did. (PA was just for credibility purposes.)
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:45 PM
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10. For a list of DU'isms, there's a pretty good website:
http://dug.seattleactivist.org/

LIHOP: Let it (9/11) happen on purpose.
MIHOP: Made it happen on purpose.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:03 PM
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12. the other version is MIHOP
made it happen on purpose.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:37 PM
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5. they were ranting when I stopped for coffee this morning
against Bush and the gay marriage amendment. I would have guessed they were liberal but they whole place was fired up. We need something to light a fire under people. If the $87B and the no WMD didn't do it, this amendment might.

I told them to be sure and vote. They said they never had before but would this year. I told them they had to get all their friends to vote too. They said: Absolutely!
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mcar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:40 PM
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7. It's happening everywhere
A childhood friend of mine and I were having an e-mail discussion last week. In all the years we've known each other, we have never talked politics, she's just not interested. Almost out of the blue, she writes that she has sympathy for me because I'm stuck with both Bushes (Florida here) and that she can't stand W.

I was surprised and pleased. If someone who is that apolitical thinks that way, there's a lot to be hopeful for.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:42 PM
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8. Today I was at a garage getting routine maintenance on my car, and
struck up a conversation with another customer, a cabinetmaker. We talked a little bit about woodworking (a hobby of mine) etc. I mentioned that I didn't believe the economy is doing well in any long-term sense. One thing led to another, & I found out he's antiwar, anti-Bush, pessimistic about the future of the country in Republican hands, etc.

Then I stopped at home for a few minutes & an insurance agent dropped in looking for my neighbor. We chatted for a few minutes, long enough for us to vent our mutual feelings about the economy, the Bushies, health insurance, etc. & even she was anti-Bush, saying she thought he was just interested in helping his rich friends.

I tell ya, there is a groundswell of revulosion at the current administration.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:43 PM
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9. Yes !
Thanks for sharing
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:48 PM
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11. Hi, JM - how's sunny SW Florida holding up?
My mom over in Brevard County is hearing a lot of the same, plus a LOT of buzz over the voting machines.

I'm hearing more and more from Republican Moderates (actually a political party here) and straight Republicans that there's much, much disillusion over the economy - and here in Alaska, that's enough to stop a politico dead in his/her tracks. * promised (and didn't deliver) ANWR and funding for a gas line to parallel the Pipeline.... it could ruin him here. And, hopefully, along with him will go Senator-for-Life Ted Stevens.
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Misinformed01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:26 PM
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15. I don't know if Michael is paying that much attention
to FL politics right now; he is moving north tomorrow!

Stephanie
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 07:56 AM
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16. Today is my last day!
Off to NC after work.

Good luck with SFL Stevens, he's a real piece of work...
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:11 PM
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13. Same thing happened to me today, too!!!!
Too weird.

A lady I work with, whom I thought was very conservative, started talking about how Federal spending is out of control and the enormous deficit.

Blamed it squarely on Bush.

Then, I saw a car in the traffic while driving that had an an anti-Bush bumper sticker!
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JasonBerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:16 PM
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14. I hear it more too
More and more I hear people who had once supported Bush beginning to question. The record is there for all to see and, as they say -- it ain't pretty. We must continue to expose the Bush regime for what they are -- corporate stooges carrying water for international capital.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:00 AM
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17. Make sure he knows that the biggest threat to Social Security...
...isn't *'s record deficits, but the decade(s)-long push by market ideologues to scuttle it.
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