This Puritan Crap Getting on My Nerves

[liberalmike27]

It's bad enough that the media, then the DLC backstabbed my boy Dean, and are still twisting the knife from what I can tell. But all of the stuff going on lately, the big-deal about a half-second of Janet's sparkly nippled left-breast, this movie that would clearly be a waste of money, Howard Stern's show canceled while drug-addicts and gamblers anonymous rejects like Limbaugh and Bennett get shows in all clear channel markets is patently absurd.

I've always been kind of ticked that single-folks have to be subjected to unrealistic programming on network television, just because parents don't want to do their jobs. Hey, if you don't want to do the work, don't have kids. We've got too many people anyway. But this push recently toward Calvinism is just another control mechanism that is locking-down our population into believing in the most corrupt regime in history.

Funny how the devil works, he never really shows his self, and he gets the very people who should see through him to actually believe in him. This Bush family is the most corrupt in history, yet half the people that vote can't seem to see it.

[BayCityProgressive]

1. yeah it is pretty pathetic

get parental controls for your tv or take some responsibility for your own family. If you can't then go visit planned parenthood and styop popping them out! Religion has always been used to control the masses, so with a right wing jesus freak in office what do you expect?

[sus]

2. Stern

Is he completely cancelled or just dropped from some stations??

[gWbush is Mabus]

5. does it matter?

I could not hear him this am.
that is censorship.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

23. Much bigger story-READ THESE LINKS! Last one...scary.DOMINIONISM!

We are living in the closing minutes of a culture war that the American Taliban is winning. 'Might Makes Right' is WINNING over 'The Rule of Law.'I've decided to post this synopsis in all my thread responses:

Georgie's brain is much worse than you think and he's being used for terrible purposes. Here's a British clinical psychologist's researched analysis of the boy king. He interviewed Georgie's family, friends and such and determined that he was abused as a child and developed an 'authoritarian personality,' the root of fascism! Read it and weep for him and us.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1033904,00.html
(So George, how do you feel about your mom and dad?)-CLICK

And this personality is being exploited to further the creation of a Hitlerian Theocracy called ‘Dominionism’, which has been going on in this country for the last thirty years. Read it and wonder what the hell we're in for next now that Eugenics is domestic policy and Imperialism is foreign policy.
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_5160.shtml
(God Bless America, The Constitution is Dead)-CLICK

If you'd like to read the full speech of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia back in the dark ages of January 2002 when he said that 'democracy interferes with the Divine Right of Kings and he's doing something about it,' read this and wonder what century we're living in and just what that Constitution was for, anyway.
http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/scalia.htm
(God's Justice and Ours)-CLICK

How can they get away with it when everyone seems to be pissed off at Georgie and we're supposed to be able to vote the bastard out of our White House? By fixing the electronic voting machines for 'the House.' Read this and decide which country to escape to this fall when Georgie is reinstalled to finish the job he was sent to do-eliminate democracy totally, create a police state, and conquer the world.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
(Diebold, Electonic Voting, and the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy)-CLICK

LATE BREAKING NEWS-FEB. 26 2004
Right now the Dominionists are introducing legislation to replace 'The People' as the authority in our democracy’s Constitution with ‘God’ in a bill called ‘The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004,’ exactly the opposite of what it really is. The legalities of the Christian Theocracy are being used to destroy our laws as if by the Taliban in Afghanistan.

This is not a test! It is absolutely real and happening right now while the media are busy covering gay marriage and Mel Gibson’s bloody crucifixion porn film, ‘The Passion of the Christ.’

“…on February 11 , 2004 Dominionist leaders in congress made their move; they introduced a bill in both houses called The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004. Among the sponsors of the bill are Rep. Robert Aderholt (Alabama), Rep. Michael Pence (Indiana), Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama, Sen. Zell Miller (Georgia), Sen. Sam Brownback (Kansas), and Sen. Lindsey Graham (South Carolina).

The House version is H.R. 3799 and the Senate version is S. 2082. The bill limits the U.S. Supreme Court and federal courts to hear cases involving “expressions of religious faith by elected or appointed officials.”

Although the claim by its sponsors appears to be that the intention is to prevent the courts from hearing cases involving the Ten Commandments or a Nativity Scene in a public setting from being reviewed, the law is drawn broadly and expressly includes the acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law by an official in his capacity of executing his office.”

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0402/S00172.htm
(The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004)-CLICK

[KansDem]

3. "This Bush family is the most corrupt in history..."

I'm thinking of having a bumper sticker made up in time for the 2004 campaign that reads:

Are we having enough of the Bush Family yet?

[no_hypocrisy]

4. Splitting hairs over obscenity aside, coincidence after Stern criticized *

and subsequently (consequently?) he's removed from six markets? Clear Channel is one of the largest contributors to *'s campaign in 2000 and maybe this year. Stern is still broadcast in NYC region on a station owned by Infinity who brought us .05 seconds of JJ's breast.

Stern could have the potential of persuading his demographic audience of males age 14-34 (or thereabouts) to:
1. Vote in general election in November, and/or
2. Vote against * for anyone but . . .

I'd need the Arbitrons but I think Stern has better ratings than Pat Robertson and this is a threat to the administration.

[bryant69]

6. I have to say

I agree with you in spirit, but your actual argument makes no sense. The problem with the nudity at the Superbowl was precisely because it was presumed to be a family event. Is it your argument that there should be no family programming? That parents should just keep the tv off? That Ms. Jackson's nudity in the context of a half time show was some how more "realistic?"

I do think the event was way overblown (for political purposes); but it was either an accident or a mistake for her to have shown her assets in the first place.

Bryant
check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[LeahMira]

13. The myth of childhood "innocence"

The problem with the nudity at the Superbowl was precisely because it was presumed to be a family event. Is it your argument that there should be no family programming? That parents should just keep the tv off? That Ms. Jackson's nudity in the context of a half time show was some how more "realistic?"

Nope. It's this idea that the very sight of the female breast is somehow too much for the children. Really... women can't even breastfeed discreetly in public without the pointy-nosed holier-than-thou crowd having fits over it. Do they really believe that their children have no clue what breasts look like?

Janet Jackson will do anything to get attention. If any kids commented, the smart mom or dad would do well to just say, "Yeah... and so?"

[bryant69]

15. Great

Well, you just put out a book that tells us all what to think and we'll accept it. There's a good strategy. I mean anybody who doesn't want their children to see a naked breast is just plain wrong.

[Missy Vixen]

34. Ooookay, let me see

>Well, you just put out a book that tells us all what to think and we'll accept it. There's a good strategy. I mean anybody who doesn't want their children to see a naked breast is just plain wrong.<

The naked breast was worse than the rest of the program? Let me see: I believe that there was blatant crotch-grabbing on the part of one of the other performers during the segment. Justin Timberlake was basically dry-humping Janet Jackson before and after the breast shot. Let's not forget the scantily clad "cheerleaders", incessant commercials for erectile dysfunction pharmaceuticals, equally incessant beer commercials boasting scantily clad women, on and on and on.

Jackson's breast was also on air for less than five seconds. Those at our house completely missed it. It's hard for me to believe that anyone's children were traumatized by the sight; I would be thinking that they'd ask more questions about the damage caused by a "four-hour erection", since this phrase was repeated so many times.

Those who continue to insist that the Super Bowl is "family programming" are fooling themselves. It never has been, it never will be, and after this year's flap, next year will be even worse.

It seems like a fairly simple solution -- shut off the objectionable programming, and find something more appropriate to entertain one's family with. Instead, the rest of us are to submit to "family programming," whether we want to or not.

Julie

[bryant69]

40. So your saying you can't find television appropriate to adults?

How many channels do you get?

The fact that you personally don't think the Super bowl is family entertainment means little; most people do consider it that way. If it is worse next year, and you may be right, is that a good thing?

If the entire half time show (which was all pretty bad, as you commented) is sexually provactive, how does that improve your enjoyment of Football?

[Missy Vixen]

49. The Super Bowl isn't family friendly

>How many channels do you get?<

Why does it matter?

There are numerous networks that are "family friendly", such as Nickelodeon, Nogin, Hallmark Channel, Animal Planet, most of the Discovery channels, Cartoon Network, and PBS. There are also thousands and thousands of videos and DVD's that cater to family viewers. If one doesn't want one's family viewing anything they don't deem "family friendly," perhaps they should choose from the list above.

>The fact that you personally don't think the Super bowl is family entertainment means little; most people do consider it that way.<

Then "most people" are wrong, aren't they?

If "most people" think it's appropriate to allow their young children to watch a program that is incessant beer commercials, scantily clad women, mouthed (and sometimes, conveniently miked up,) obscenities from players and coaches, whatever, they shouldn't complain about its not being "family friendly". The Super Bowl exists solely to appeal to their demographic, which is males aged 21-50.

>If it is worse next year, and you may be right, is that a good thing?<

It's not geared towards me. If I don't want to watch it, I'll shut it off.

Julie

[BillZBubb]

19. I'm with you

What is so wrong with seeing a woman's breast for a few seconds? What child would have any psychological damage from that?
Are the moral prudes afraid the kiddies will get aroused?
What's next, cover all women in a sack from head to toe so the kids don't get any lustful thoughts?

These truly are strange times.

[joe_sixpack]

29. Seeing a breast is fine

I like looking at them myself. But it's the idea of a man ripping off a woman's top to expose the breast that doesn't fly so well with me. It's a little bit of a different meaning than the simple innocence of breast feeding.

[Mike Daniels]

51. To put this in context

Let's say a female neighbor is invited into your house and without any advance warning flashes your child...shows a breast, nether regions, whatever.

You're going to tell me that you find that totally acceptable behavior and aren't going to have any problem with it? Odd are that most people would answer that yes, the above scenario is totally inappropriate and that is in effect what Janet did.

I'm hardly a prude and I do believe that the whole affair has been blown out of proportion but I also completely understand why people were upset about what happened at the end of the half time show.

As far as to why the breast is getting all the attention, every commentary I've heard or read regarding the Superbowl has also ripped the sorry and vulgar quality of this year's commercials and I'd be surprised if you see commercials next year that were as rank and vile as this year's crop.

[KoKo]

26. Early Childhood should have some innocence. Janet's studded boob on the

Superbowl and the rest of the smarmy commercials should not be allowed. There are enough cable channels with Janet's boob and other stuff that parent should expect one or two places where they don't have to be in constant supervision.

Early Childhood should have some innocence. Janet's boob was not a "mom's" boob. It wasn't presented as a source of nourshment for a child. (only for lascivous intent)

[Touchdown]

16. Let me ask you what "family programming" is supposed to be.

Is a sporting event, where grown men spend 3 hours violently beating the crap out of each other, interspersed with limp penis, a horse farting on a woman, and a dog biting a man's crotch commercials supposed to be family programming? How is one to presume football is wholesome when the very nature of the game requires violence to win?

After all of that, one has to ask...What's more dangerous to kids? Desensitizing them to violence disguized as a game, or a woman's breast (which every woman has), which they've already seen when they were feeding infants?

My use of hyperbole doesn't mean I am against football, or find it unneccesarily violent, because the rules of the game require it. I'm just juxtaposing it with "outrage" over something natural, like a woman's breast.

[Deb-Ter]

32. it wasn't just 'outrage' over a woman's breast

The whole show was over the top, I don't allow my children to watch MTV because everything is either sexual or violent or both. This whole half-time show was both. Why?

You can't see a difference between a mother breast feeding a baby and a guy rubbing himself from behind a woman and reaching across and ripping the bodice? They are both equal in your eyes???? I see a definate difference and it should not have happened in the most watch sproting event of the year...period.

I don't think that children should be forced to 'grow up' quicker because we adults can't keep or base instincts in check, or at least have some common sense where to display them.

[Touchdown]

46. I didn't see it.

I had to work that day. And no, I don't see any equality in breast feeding and sexual overtures. I queston the relative wholesomeness of allowing children to watch a violent, and brutal sport, and the irony of looking at sexuality in horror by comparison.

[drdigi420]

17. so what if it was a 'family' event?

repressing your child's sexuality does many times more damage to them than a brief glimpse of part of one of a pair of fake tits

GROW UP AMERICA!!

get over the puritan issues about nudity and sex

geez

[Bombtrack]

21. It's a freaking tit. It doesn't matter if it's a family event

if a little girl sees a tit, what's the big deal, she'll have them in a few years anyway. if a little boy sees one, good, it's like a cookie, he can handle it, it's not going to turn him into a rapist.

[FizzFuzz]

52. Its not the tit, its the CONTEXT!!

Sorry to bring back an old issue, but in this damm culture, this issue is never really dead:

The choreographed Superbowl event showed Timberlake enacting the role of ATTACKER...but all the public screaming and whining is about the bad evil JANET!!

WOMEN AND THEIR BODIES ARE PORTRAYED SEXUALLY WITHIN AN AURA OF CONTEMPT, VICTIMIZATION or DEHUMANIZATION (for marketing purposes)


I haven't seen ANYONE acknowledge how this simple fact colors the whole issue.


I've posted on a couple other threads about this, but cant find them

[Skittles]

7. nobody is more disgusting and "indecent:" than Michael Savage

think that hateful piece of shit will be targeted?

[RandomKoolzip]

8. Springer, Maury, Britney, Most hip hop videos, most ads aimed at

teens, etc. I'm sorry, but I don't see where you're getting the idea that our country's media is excessively "puritan." Actually, it's more contradictory than anything else; constantly promoting GAWD, breeding, responsible parenting, going to church, etc, while flashing Britney's bellybutton. It's more of a mixed message.

Fuck, I don't even WATCH TV anymore....I'm going on what I was seeing back in 1998, when I shut off the tube for good.

[liberalmike27]

12. I agree

I too look almost totally to the web, and streaming. C-Span gives you some decent programming, but for the most part, and occasional sit-com and some NPR is all I listen to. I used to love the TODAY Show, but it's been quite disappointing of late.

It was only a half-second. I hardly realized what happened and I'm a full-grown adult. One show showed an elephant for 15 frames, and you could just get enough time to recognize it. Besides, with the nipple covered, you see no more than a Victoria's Secret commercial.

It isn't so much one incident, but repeated problems, JJ flap, Malloy, Stern being canceled, the stupid incite-hatred-for-Jews movie, and the obvious manipulation that has gone on in this Democratic Primary, all scary instances of a public that seems unaware that the media isn't their friend, nor are they open to the idea that they are being somewhat manipulated.

Dean-sters, we need to redirect our energy at trying to bring this awareness to the world.

[histohoney]

9. Parents do

need to be very mindful of the programming their children see and hear yes. BUT!! We could help in the early hours of they day.

Just me, but I think most kids should be in bed by 9pm CT, I have no problem with adult shows after that. If a parent lets their kid watch TV past 9pm they probable aren't the type watching after them any way.

Janet's booby shot happened during a planned family event and the Vchip in a TV would not block it,that ticks me OFF. I am very careful with what my son watches (NO MTV)hardly any cable except NICK, Disney and PBS. I work in the medical field I'm no prude, but I would like my child not to get the idea that women's breasts are just for goggling at. (Yes I know during the teen years they are that but he's only 6 now). Janet Jackson took away my chance to be a watchful parent, there is NO excuse for tricking people.

Whats on after 9pm should have a more adult flavor, and I hope you find a show you enjoy. I have no idea why Mr. Stern's show was canceled where you live, we never had him here on the Radio. We had his show on one of the cable stations but I don't watch BUT I could careless if someone else did, big deal, watch.

Ratings rule, you wrote a passioned pen here, write your cable, or radio stations. GOOD LUCK.

[drdigi420]

20. wow, you really repress your son alot

if we, as a culture, stopped artificially making nudity out to be some evil thing, we'd have a lot less sexual crime in this country


its time to grow up and get over it

if your kids can be adversly affected by a brief glimpse of a titty, then you have probably already damaged them beyond repair

repression is the problem, not the sex

[histohoney]

22. Sorry

your wrong. My son has seen naked people, I let him look through my medical text books just as my father let all his children. We, as is my son, were taught that there is nothing unnatural or dirty about the human body but that we must respect that it is the temple to house the soul. My son has seen my self and my husband naked (Just try to get some alone time for a tub soak). I always ask him to please respect Mom's privacy,I do not make it a big deal, just like my family did.

I just do not think at 6 it is aproprate to teach him that a body is just for a cheap shot and a thrill. You can only decided that for your family, I do what I can for mine.

Friend I am so sorry you are so hostel this morning. I hope for the rest of the day you will fell better about yourself and not be so quick to judge others you do not know but will try to be more open to others opinions and cultures.

[drdigi420]

27. actually, you are wrong

you have set up these kind of displays as 'naughty' and 'titilating'

now, instead of being able to laugh it off, like the rest of us, he will see it as a reason to get upset, as you have

i dont think its appropriate for all these con men on tv to claim that i will burn in hell forever if i dont follow their rules and send them money, but i dont get all bent out of shape and think laws should be passed and fines levied for it

i laugh it off as the idiocy that it is, same as i do for some lame shot of a fake tit

its time for this country to GROW UP

thats all there is to it

[histohoney]

47. And yet friend

your response is not light or laughing but angry and haughty.
I did not make a deal out of it in FRONT of him,(timing is every thing).
Oh by the way I do not let him watch MTV. I thought CBS would have toned it down, my mistake true, but there's too.
Yes we watch football,I come from a family of Hall of Fame'ers, we love it. If the rules are applied and people behave like good sports I see nothing wrong with it.
I also have no problem with those who do not like it and if they care to fight against it, so be it, I will continue to watch as long as it is on.
Why am I upset with sexuality on TV for children, notice I did not say nor do I mean nudity. Justin ripped off the breast plate in a violent manner(Yes I know for show) it was not just walking around naked.(Yes people he has seen breasts before, some day he might even go with me on a medical mission trip were women do not traditional wear tops, big deal, I've been to the Amazon where they wear nothing I do not get upset nor do I try to get men or women to wear cloths.)

I worry from years spent in the ER. One of the many ways a molester grooms a child is by introducing sexual explicit materials to the child to desensitize them to the acts about to be forced on them. Do I think CBS means to do that,no but they only help that molester every time something happens like this. LIKE I said AFTER 9 I could not care LESS what an ADULT watches. What I worry about is NOT the nudity but the content. Until you hold and look into the eyes of a 8yr old how has been raped, do not be so quick to judge me. I had to go back to work and face this many times, have you?
I know that one day he'll probable come home with a Playboy or something, and I will do what my mother and dad did. My parents did not yell at him or scream, they just said (TO ALL both boys and girls in our home)" Our bodies are not dirty or ugly, they look just the way God wants them to look. God is Love so your body is a temple for love. One day God willing you will find someone special to share your body with and thats a good thing. God would not make your body like being touched by your loved one if he did not mean it to.ect......
Remember when you look at these pictures of those girls (Or in my case with the Playgirl, boys) are someones dear child that they love or a sister and one day they might be someones mother. Would you like that to be YOUR daughter or sister or mother? Treat everyone like your family because they are. Sex is good for loving reasons but it can be used to hurt people for selfish reasons.

Do what you think is best by your children, I do what I think and pray is best for mine. If we stay true to teach our children to love and not exploit one another and that we have to respect other people we stand a better chance for us and them and their children.
Just my thoughts. Maybe not yours but I wish you well friends

[seabeyond]

50. the voice of reason

isnt such a bad thing to explore.

[Pathwalker]

24. Excuse me, but as a thoughtful, watchful parent,

shouldn't you have, at least, KNOWN what kind of crap is on MTV? I know I did, which is why I never allowed my sons to watch it. And, had they still been 6 at this year's Super Bowl halftime, I would have known better than to let them see a half-time show that was produced by MTV. How did that manage to escape your attention? Regardless of the hour, the fact that it was produced by MTV should have been all the red flags ANY parent needed. Hell, I'm well into my fifties, and I left the room rather than watch it. LOVED the game, though.

[greekspeak]

39. I am fascinated at this boob crap

How strange...two hours plus of violence violence violence and commercialism commercialism commercialism (aka. SuperBowl) is "family programing," the sanctity of which has been irrevocably comprimised because of one bare human breast.

I find it odd that you allow your six year old child to watch violent sports like football, and then fly off the handle because of a simple thing like a breast.

I can honestly say that the existance of football has been the cause of far more psychological damage for me than all the breasts in America combined.

[hippiegranny]

10. my hope is that all this puritanical outrage

will be the undoing of those promoting it. once they start thinking they have some kind of mandate on this behavior, they generally go too far.

between the hysteria over janet's boob, gay marriage, and the legislation of free speech on the airwaves, they are beginning to turn many middle of the road people off.

let them overplay this hand. it could be the final straw that tips the scales back to some semblence of common sense. and it being george bush's year to lose another election is perfect timing for them all to put their idiocy on display.

[ArkDem]

11. right breast

.

[liberalmike27]

14. When

You're right, you're right. I was backward in my head, listing my left, instead of hers.

[Buns_of_Fire]

25. True. Not that I would notice such things, of course.....

[Name removed]

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[KoKo]

28. Are you calling me a "feminazi?" Isn't that a Limbaugh term?

Do you realize that Democratic Females were the ones who pushed for women's rights. Do you believe in women's rights not to be presented in a dehumanizing or abusive way?

I think not, from your comment. You might even feel females should still be denied the right to vote.

[ArkDem]

30. 'feminazi' is a Limbaugh term but he called you a

'feminaze'.

[SidDithers]

48. That sounds like a cheese sauce or something...

Maybe something you might pour on asparagus :)

Sid

[Bombtrack]

38. Just because the term has it's roots in the right doesn't mean that there

isn't an extreme of feminism that is really intolerant towards men who aren't politically correct and dishonest about sex and women.

I do beleive in feminist and women's causes. But like all causes you can take things to far. Stern and Stern fans here get called a pig, sexist, mysoginist, idiot, slime, dispicible, just because we listen to something you don't want to listen to. That's intolerance, but my post is the one that gets deleted

[Malva Zebrina]

45. actually

it is the female , namely Janet, who is doing the dehumanizing. Women are their own worst enemies.

Having said that, this thread and many of it's arguments, are the same arguments I heard fifty years ago for Pete's sake.

We , in this country, simply still are stuck in that Puritan ethic. The body is the vessel of a god and as such should be respected, naturally.

Actully, the body is more than a religious concept. It happens to be our skin. That we have chosen as a society to hide it as much as we can, only adds to the intrigue of the "sinful"--that is, we use it as somnething forbidden in order to titillate a society bent upon insisting the body is sacred and not anything but a god given asset--well that may be true for some, but nevertheless, it is also full of exciting and wonderful assets that appeal to human beings who are naturally attracted.

Do we need this at half time on a football field> I am not impressed much with it. Women expose their breast all the time in other countries when feeding their babies--no big deal at all. No one gets titillated by it.

In this country, it is indecent , and of course the one being indecent should she decide that her infant needs to be "at breast" is a whore of some sort for feeding her baby in public. Most wear a big shawl that covers the entire thing and to me, actually, this is funny.

[Indiana Democrat]

31. Dean did himself in.

Get over it already.

[Yavin4]

33. European, Brazilian, And Other Non-US Children See Nude Breasts

At their beaches every summer, and they seem to be doing okay. This naked breast hysteria is nothing more than an attempt to treat all of us like children.

[KoKo]

35. It wasn't a "naked breast." It was an "adorned breast" displayed for

shock and tittilation. And, it didn't take place on a Brazillian Beach, it took place on airwaves which we all own, and should have a voice in what's on there. That some of us disagree is supposed to be what Democracy is all about. Janet's boob lives on! :D

[ArkDem]

36. As a titillater Janet was titillatingly titillative !

.

[seabeyond]

37. the silliness of the boob

a very little thing that people focus on dismissing the bigger issue

my children, 5 and 8 were watching planet world children channel on animals. an herbal essence commercial comes on, well into it, before i realize the woman in shower having an orgasm and man spitting out mouth wash on mirror. it was so odd to the boys eyes glued. ah turn tv off, throw body over tv, ya right, they look at me and i giggle, silly woman.

coors commercials with the boob twins, sticking camaras up skirts and down blouses, got to the point of a winter commercial. soft porn. woman barely dressed humping the ground to the camara, licking lips and puckering to the lens, it breaks off to show the men on the other side, a good size group cheering her on, what to come out of the camara to give them all a blow job, what..........

my husband likes football, he doesnt want to bother with this crap, he just wants to watch football. it starts from early day to night, and boys are in and out. he doesnt want to have to focus what is coming on tv to see if he needs to shut it off, if the boys want to spend a little time with him or a lot of time with him on the weekend, seeing how he works hard for us all week

yes parents can do their job, so he can stop doing something he loves and has done for a lifetime, cause we have become so retarded in this and stop watching football.

we are teaching our girls to be sluts. we are teaching our boys to want their girls to be sluts

we have little twelve year old girls giving blow jobs to lines of boys.

we can pretend we are taking all your big peoples rights away and all is ok but it isnt. and as long as the liberal party refuses to acknowledge the perversion we create for our youth, then there will continue to be this battle

i am not seeing much balance in this conversation, a challenge it is for the parents today, and not a lot of empathy going on

looney tunes the girls dressed like sluts, kangaroo jack the man walks up to woman and stick hands on breast then makes that really really stupid male face, these are kids shows.

not only is it not healthy for the kids, and conditions the kids, they dont want it. developmently they arent there and they dont want to see the crap. it is being put in by adults,.........cause of their own silliness

[drdigi420]

41. the reaction is sillier than the boob

ALL of these problems result from our culture's repression of sexuality

If your kids weren't being programmed to think that boobs and nudity and sexuality are 'bad' and 'naughty' they wouldn't be nearly as interested in it nor affected by it.

Children in Italy that have been exposed to wine all their lives and having a lower alcoholism rate and the children of europe that see breasts on TV all the time arent obsessed with them like the US.

Holland, with it's liberal drug laws, has less drug problems than here.

It's the REPRESSION, not the sex, not the drugs. One day we will wise up to this fact as a culture.

[seabeyond]

42. assumptions

If your kids weren't being programmed to think that boobs and nudity and sexuality are 'bad' and 'naughty' they wouldn't be nearly as interested in it nor affected by it.



i am a california gal from the 70's, was a swimmer til my 20's. we were in swimsuits all day long day in and out. freedom of the 70's. nudity isnt a big deal. nudity isnt a big deal in our house. i had to force swimsuits on boys as they got older when people would come over to play. we live as a family not hiding our body.

i am not talking nature,.........if it was nature there wouldnt be any issue

i am talking the feeding the perversion we have in the u.s.

i hear a lot of europes nakedness on t.v. i havent been there, yet this is what is always held up. i understand there is so much trash on europes t.v. they are just getting rid of the sets. not the same as the nakedness on the beach

we have boys being raised feeling justified, that it is ok raping, be it our military, our football players, drugging drinks. there is an unhealthy feeding. i want my boys to have a blast with their sexuality,............a freedom in it. not a conditioning of it

so dont assume that they are being raised in a puritan fashion, if any parent expresses concerns then this is what we are given to shut us up., there isnt a desire to work together to create the enviroment of allowing the children to walk the path of sexuality in a balanced and healthy and acknowledge manner

[drdigi420]

43. pardon the assumptions

i should have said 'our' instead of 'your' kids

i mean as a culture, we are creating 'perversion' by repressing our sexuality

i didnt mean 'you' personally were responsible

besides, if the artificial 'naughtiness' wasn't attached to breasts and sex, it couldnt be used to sell beer and ford trucks to unsuspecting neanderthals that really believe they'll get laid if they drink the right beer, drive the right truck, and use the right 'male-enhancement'

my point was that the repression of sexuality in our culture is the cause of sexual problems in our society

[seabeyond]

44. agree

wink, lol lol

[FizzFuzz]

53. yeah

I totally agree...and so true about the very people who claim to be on the front lines in the fight against Satan, are Satanic in their actions. Didn't the bible say something about "ye shall know them by their fruits?" Ha, the rw's probably read that and think, "Fruits!! Yeah see? Jesus hates fruits!"

didn't reply before cuz I got caught up in my other reply here, but yes, the surreality of what to me, is so clearly evil--is labeled as morality by these twisted self-righteous rw's. I just don't get it.

Annnnd I completely agree about the push to make everything child-friendly. BARF! Let the people who want to saddle themselves with kids saddle the burden of protecting them. Don't dumb down MY life for your convenience! (Don't tax me for your child-benefits either, and don't charge their fertility/pediatric/natal etc etc care to my insurance premiums. And quit expecting us non-contributors to over-population to take up the slack at work.