OK..so the Jews killed Jesus!

[trumad]

And how many human beings/Jews did Christians kill in the past 2000 years?

[mmm]

1. I hope you are talking about "The Last Temptation of The Christ"

anything else simply would not be modern

[FreeperSlayer]

2. What if JC had lived?

The Romans normally would have issued a severe whipping as punishment. Had some not insisted on death....

[On the Road]

If the Romans Saw Him as a Revolutionary

or declaring himself as King (triumphal procession), they could easily have crucified Jesus without any encouragement. And maybe they did. The gospel accounts, especially Matthew, were written specifically to incriminate the Jews and exonerate the Romans.

[_Wayne_]

3. The only people making an issue of this are non-Christians

Christians believe Jesus had to die, and that his death gave salvation to all. The media has hyped this movie "controversy."

Talk to the average Christian. Ask them if they give a rats ass who killed Jesus.

[BigDaddyLove]

4. That's a very good point.

.

[outinforce]

5. I Do Not Accept Your Premise

I do not accept your premise that the Jews killed Jesus.

WHy would you suggest something so anti-semitic and contrary to basic Christian doctrine?

[trumad]

8. I don't...

But God Damn, it sure seems like a whole bunch of folks do...

[outinforce]

13. Granted, But

I think most who do are not Christians -- or at least not Christians who possess even the simplest understanding of that religion's doctrines.

Perhaps I mis-understood the point you were trying to make in your first post to this thread, but I thought you were trying to say that since the Christians say that the Jews killed Jesus, it is fair to ask how many Jews the Christians have killed.

I think the number of Jews that have been killed over the centuries (and by whom) is a fair question to ask.

I just don't see that it has anything to do with a discredited notion that most Biblical scholars (and most branches of main-line Christianity) reject.

[trumad]

17. Well

The pic I posted is in front of a Church in Denver... So..There are some Christains including Mel Gibson who think that Jews killed Jesus.... If a er...Christain tells me that the Jews killed Jesus then my reply will be how many Jews were killed by Christians?

[derby378]

6. "If the real Jesus Christ...

...were to stand up today,
He'd be gunned down cold by the CIA."

The The, Armageddon Days are Here Again

[tom_paine]

7. Well, at least 12,000,000.

from 1933-1945.

One of the dirtiest little secrets of Christianity is that the Germans were a very Christian people and that Hitler played to this up until they had full control.

Only THEN, did they consider dismantling the Christian Church and replacing it with some Nazi "Valhalla" Religion.

But, during virtually all of the Third Reich, the Nazis played to Chrisatian themes and of course, the "God Sent Fuhrer" wasn't sent by Odin of Valhalla but the Christian God.

So start with the 12,000,000 Jews, Poles, gypsies, and homosexuals killed in the Nazi concentration camps, where I have no doubt there were MANY "devout" (in the same way Robertson & Fallwell's propagandized followers are "devout") Christians.

Now of course, Christians who believe in the actual teachings of that Liberal Christ, will be quick to point out that Busheviks and Nazis couldn't have been Christians if they'd been doing that.

But they believe themselves to be Christians, whether they follow the Christ or the AntiChrist Bunnypants*.

And that's the point.

[DuctapeFatwa]

9. And then there's this:

And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.

Koran 4:157

[Muddleoftheroad]

10. You left out something

Jesus was also Jewish as were most of the apostles. I don't see how anyone can blame the Jewish people for any involvement. In fact, their involvement should be celebrated.

[lastknowngood]

11. Well just remember that God told them to just as he told the

Christians to burn all those witches. More people have been killed in the name of God than any other lie.

[Jack from Charlotte]

12. Had NO ONE killed Jesus wouldn't that have fouled up.....

this religion? I mean, what's Christianity like today if neither Jews nor Roman killed Jesus?

[MidwestTransplant]

14. How can "the Jews"

do anything? Just the notion is ridiculous. Assuming it was a Jew or a bunch of Jews that pushed for Jesus' crucifixion, they only make up a tiny tiny tiny fraction of Jews during that time and it's totally irrelevant to Jews today.

Regardless, I believe it was the Roman authorities that killed Jesus.

[outinforce]

16. Isn't in one of the Creeds of the church ....

I could be wrong about this, but I think that there are at least two different credal statements that some Christians profess. And I think that in both of those creeds it says something like "Jesus suffered under Pontius Pilate".

I know of know credal statement anywhere in any Christian church that says "The Jewas killed Jesus".

Does anyone know of any such statement as to the guilt for Jesus' death?

[MAlibdem]

15. If the Jews killed Jesus...

Then I'm a direct descendant of David, King of Israel, I'm making that a rule. Seriously.

[Az]

18. Its not just Jews

Jews have been singled out in Western civilization because they are the single largest organized group that does not accept the teachings of Christianity. But its not their Jewishness that makes them targets. Its that they are easy to find. Atheist, agnostics, pagans, and a host of other beliefs (or lack of beliefs) have suffered at the hands of zealous religious fanatics when they are found.

The fact that the Jews had a different faith to follow and found themself in the same societies as Christians is what placed them in such a plight. It is the difference that makes them a target.

Thus it is that it matters not whether it was the Jews responsible for Jesus' death or the Romans. What matters is it was people who did not agree with their claim that he was the son of god.

No other religion survived a head on collision with Christianity. The Jews are simply the survivors of the religious world. All manner of religion was met with Christianity and overwhelmed. Our holidays are relics of their presense. Out calendar echoes of their names.

Modern Christianity has been tamed to an extent. Its institutions no longer hold the reigns of power they once did. They no longer decide who lives and who dies. Knowledge and learning flow free. They must make their way in a world with reason and freethought. Thus the modern Christian can be a very open minded individual. Educated in the worlds religions and tolerant of all peoples.

But the history still calls out that theirs is the one truth. The institutions still remember the control they once had. And religous movements still can present a danger to people around the world.

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