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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 07:34 PM
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Love him or despise him, we gotta help Stern.
Tueday someone posted a thread that Strern was bashing Chimp. The next day he's fired. Personally, I think stern is unfunny and boring but if Clear channel gets away with axing somone for not adoring the chimp, we're fucked.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1159313
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 07:36 PM
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1. No, thanks.
There are better people to go to bat for.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. Its not about defending Howard Stern, its about defending your right to
to free speech.

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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 07:54 PM
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7. I understand the principle
But I'm far more concerned with the lack of any liberal representation in the media.

Howard's filthy rich, he can defend himself.
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fleetus Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:03 PM
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11. I agree that he'll defend himself.
Saying Howard needs me to defend his right to be on the air reminds me of my neighbor who put a "I SUPPORT WAL-MART" sign in their yard. I'm thinking, "Why the &$%# does Wal-Mart even need your support?" I'm pretty sure Howard can fight this battle without random folks who don't even listen to his show sticking up for his right to be a (sometimes humorous, often offensive) asshole.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:40 PM
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22. Not the point. If they can take down someone as powerful as Stern they can
take down ANYBODY and WILL.

If Stern can beat them, then that can only help all the others who do NOT have the power or money to make a stand.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 07:57 PM
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8. no one is telling him he can;t say whatever he wants as a citizen
they are just not willing to pay him to talk anymore. he did not choose to follow his employers rules. he got fired.

this is not a freedom of speech issue.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:09 PM
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12. True, but Clear Channel needs to be exposed...
Edited on Thu Feb-26-04 08:11 PM by Dr Fate
It's no secret why Limbaugh got fired from ESPN- he was a racist and a drug abuser.

The fact that Clear Channel is firing Stern for his Anti-Bush political beliefs needs to be exposed.

They say its because of racist comments, but Limbaugh has said much worse...

Clear Channel has every right to fire Stern for not supporting Bush, but Clear Channel needs to tell the public this, just like ESPN did.

The airwaves are owned by the people and leased to broadcasters- the people who "own" the airwaves need to know if political censorship is occurring.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #12
67. i hate to break it to you , but everything in this country is NOT always
about bush. the head of Clear channel was to appear before the senate committee or whatever committee is currently huffing and puffing over janet's boob. stern has been skating on thinning ice for years.
he just picked the waaaaaay wrong time to push the envelope. the boss didn't want the current flap read back to him at the committee hearings so he SUSPENDED stern.

i understand why people wan to try and tie it ti bush to increase support for the pig stern but it's bs and he should be allowed to sleep in the sexist bed that made him rich.

i don't dig guys that invite women to have sex with strangers for a free boob job, i have a niece and as far as i'm concerned her future will be brighter with him off the air. he feeds the worst in my gender....the butthead and bevis assholes who need to mature into actual men.
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #67
71. I agree with what you said.
Someone just told me such behavior isn't hateful - kind of makes me wonder what they really think hateful behavior is.
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E-Z Rider Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #8
15. specifically, you're right
I think the more applicable point is the recent increase in FCC censorship. They are trying to make new broader definitions for indecency.

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mot78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:23 PM
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16. He didn't violate anything
That racist remark was made by a caller, not Stern himself. Unfortunately they weren't able to stop him in time. Clear Channel dumped him to kill two birds with one stone. The first reason is because of his * bashing...he's been Dixie Chicked. The second reason is the Jackson boob...the FCC is becoming almight and holier than thou, so they're putting pressure on the media to roll back censorship to quasi-1950's tv standards.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #16
32. The FCC exposes a bigger boob than the one Janet Jackson showed..
..all the time. His name is Michael Powell.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #16
80. he breeds such callers
he intices and excites such seniment for money.

he's whored the public airways to feather his bed.

i have no mercy.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:14 PM
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30. The thing of it is.....
...the comments that the folks at Clear Channel were objecting to were made by a caller not Stern himself.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 07:39 PM
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2. The line in the sand must be Drawn
Edited on Thu Feb-26-04 07:39 PM by proud patriot
I'd much rather it be Drawn with Larry Flynt
and Howard Stern than further back .

How many steps backward are you willing to take ?

It's the principal .

I listened to Randi Rhodes Today , The line must be drawn
in the sand .
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 12:07 AM
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43. I'm with you 100% and I have already written my letters. n/t
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 07:40 PM
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3. Until Rhandi Rhodes completes her syndication deal
he's better than nothing. Go for it, Howard! Becoming the opposite of Limbaugh and Hannity make be the smartest career move you can make.

:headbang:
rocknation
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 07:48 PM
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5. Sorry multimillionaire racist bigots are not on my to help list
I'll spend my time elsewhere.
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eaprez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. He's a pig...
...I say good riddance!
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E-Z Rider Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 07:58 PM
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9. *sigh*
It's not about helping Howard Stern. It's about helping everyone, and ultimately *yourselves*.

Though I hadn't heard of his firing being from anything related to comments on the president.
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eaprez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:36 PM
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19. I am all for free speech
seems to me if you own the station you have a right to yank someone who is being vulgar.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:16 PM
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31. You mean like Michael Savage??
http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/ccadblitz.html

Yeah,Stern is about as vulgar as its gets but so is that piece of trash named Michael Savage. He was kicked off of his MSNBC show but CC loves him so much they sell him space on their billboards.

Can CC REALLY say that Savage isn't a bad mouthed bigot,you know,the same things that Stern is accused of??

I'm not standing up for Stern,I'm talking about the GD hypocrisy that ALWAYS comes up with these Repigs. I sure as hell didn't see CC boot Stern off of their six stations back when he was licking Chimpboys boots. Now he's changed his mind about Bush and waddddaaaa you know,he gets kicked off of their stations. Hypocrisy,pure and simple....

David
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #31
61. Savage is protecting us from the evil Democrats
he said Democrats were going to kill our children for medical research and become a communist totalitarian dictatorship. And the UN will come with black helicopters to take away our freedom.

He said it on the radio so it must be true.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:43 AM
Response to Reply #19
56. That is the point folks...
... for crying out loud, Stern was NOT yanked for "being vulgar".

The reason they cited has NO CREDIBILITY. Things "worse" than that are heard every damn day on Stern's show. They could have easily "dumped" the comment, and in fact several affiliate stations do just that to conform to community standards.

Do you really think it is a coincidence that he was dropped on the very day he flipped from being pro-Bush to going on a hour long rant about how we have to get Bush out of office. You REALLY believe that?

Wake up people, whether you like him or not he is being silenced, probably mostly because one of the CC affiliates is in Miami. Go ahead - support the notion that speech can be squelched for political reasons. That's real Democratic.
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Katarina Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 11:00 PM
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38. You know what
I said the same thing the other day right here on DU regarding Bubba the Love Sponge. I now regret my words. I didn't like Bubba. I haven't listened to Howard in a long time but you know what? Today I sat and wondered what will happen tomorrow. Who is the government going to pick tomorrow? I am 38 years old. I have 4 children. I am quite capable of turning the dial on the radio if I don't agree with someone. I know what my children listen to. I don't need someone to be my parent for me! I listened to Bubba and I didn't like what he said. I made a decision to not go back there. That was easy. But if I had liked his show, I don't have that choice now. It was taken away from me without asking what my thoughts were. In my area 2 radio stations have been affected by these decisions. I've listened to the DJ's since then. There is fear there. They are afraid for their jobs. This fight is not about who we like. It is about freedom of speech and freedom of choice. WE can choose who we want to listen to, we don't need the religious right telling us what is good for us. Who is it going to be tomorrow?
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #38
77. a very important lesson ..Good for you Katarina
Keep it well :loveya:
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 03:57 AM
Response to Reply #38
93. who "we", girlfriend?
(to paraphrase Lenny Bruce, or Redd Foxx, or whoever it was)

I am 38 years old. I have 4 children. I am quite capable of turning the dial on the radio if I don't agree with someone.

Could we maybe agree, or at least acknowledge that some of us are saying, that it isn't about what you or I or any of us here might want to listen to?

Those kids of yours might not listen to Howard Stern, and might not become racist sexist assholes as a result of exposure to him.

But they WILL be exposed to other kids, and adults, who have been exposed to him.

And those kids, for example the boys in whose company your daughters have little choice but to spend their time with in school, may well have acquired the idea from Howard that girls are put on this earth for them to mock and abuse and exploit.

(I'm sure there are many places they can acquire this notion -- but that doesn't negate the fact that Howard Stern is one of those places. It really isn't logical to dismiss each one of the places/people from which hate is learned as not important because there are so many others.)

Just the other day, right here at DU, someone called abortion "genocide". Right here at DU, someone, by necessary implication, accused women who have abortions - and that will include all the women who are members of DU and who have at one time publicly reported, here at DU, that they have had abortions - of committing one of the most horrific acts, crimes, known to human society, when they make a private decision about their lives and bodies, and do something they have freely chosen to do and that does not threaten any national or racial or ethnic or religious group with extermination. Right here at DU, with complete impunity.

If Howard Stern had said that on his radio program, millions of people would have been listening. Millions of people would have heard a voice that was given the public airwaves to incite hatred toward women. Thousands of women would have felt more insecure in their homes and neighbourhoods and streets as a result, because at least some people would have heard this public, authorized, FCC-approved verbiage as validation of their hatred of women. As if there weren't enough clinic shootings and bombings and general harassment already.

It's not the women who listen and are offended that I'm concerned about. It's the women-haters who listen and receive aid and comfort for their hatred, and the impressionable who listen and hear the hateful message, with the added bonus that it's conveyed over the public airwaves and thus given tacit social approval. They're the ones that I'm concerned about, on behalf of any woman or girl who has to share space with those listeners.


But if I had liked his show, I don't have that choice now. It was taken away from me without asking what my thoughts were.

Good grief, did you imagine that you got to vote on what radio stations should broadcast, and that your vote was binding on them?!? Do you think this every time that something you would like to hear on the radio isn't there when you turn it on?

They're private enterprises. They get to broadcast what they want, within the terms of their licences.

That doesn't mean that their decisions are right or good, or should not be criticized.

But for pity's sake, let's criticize them for some substantive reason, for making bad decisions, not simply for making decisions. They're not airing Howard Stern now; they never aired you or me. I'd rather criticize them for not airing you, or some other worthy voice of decency and reason, than for not airing Howard Stern, I'm pretty sure.

It is about freedom of speech and freedom of choice.

No it *isn't*.

You yourself said that you have complete freedom of choice: turn it on, turn it off, turn the knob. *That* is the choice that we get to make when it comes to what we listen to on the radio. We don't get to choose by voting.

No one has the "freedom" to compel anyone else to broadcast their speech. It's not about freedom of speech -- it's about the choices made as to what speech gets broadcast.

And there are just a whole lot worse choices made by broadcasters than the choice to discontinue Howard Stern. I'd start with the choice not to broadcast information about, say, the effects of the US's phoney "war on drugs" on peasant farmers and children and wildlife and crops and livestock in Colombia. I'd sure rather hear that myself than hear Howard Stern -- and I'd sure rather live in a society made up of people who hear that than of people who hear Howard Stern.

.


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justsam Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:01 PM
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10. I'd vote
republican before i would do anything for Howard Stern,
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #10
65. How do we know that you aren't going to vote Republican
anyway?


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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #65
72. I thought it was against the rules to throw the R word around
Edited on Fri Feb-27-04 07:55 PM by Woodstock
because you disagree with someone?

People who dislike what Howard Stern stands for have a right to be here without having it implied they are Republicans.

Here, call me a Republican.

I'll vote Republican before I lift a finger to help Howard Stern.
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justsam Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #65
88. you don't,!! now let me
ask you something, is this how you some others got your 1000 plus post, by asking or posting ridiculous questions.. I have voted Dem in every election since 1958-- long before Dem underground was ever heard of and from reading a lot of the posts on here, some people are just waisting their time..
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:17 PM
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13. Strange bedfellows.
I dislike Howard Stern and his sexist, degrading radio show.

However, Stern is making a statement against Bush. I'm not going to be listening to his show or buying his movie, but the fact that he's being censored for a political statement (as opposed to the same old tactics he's used for years) is disgusting.

Howard Stern is not a liberal icon. But it's very amusing to see Bush alienate Howard Stern listeners that will no longer support Bush.
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #13
73. Well put.
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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:19 PM
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14. Absolutely
I haven't listened to Stern for years, but I'm 100% in his corner. This is a free speech issue. If we allow this to go, what's next? DU, perhaps?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:26 PM
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17. Okay from the Los Angeles Times business section today is
Edited on Thu Feb-26-04 08:27 PM by Cleita
the real reason. I won't post the link because it's one of those, you have to register, links. However to summarize the article, apparently Clear Channel was scheduled to testify at a congressional hearing on broadcast decency. So apparently Howard is being used as an example to prove that Clear Channel is cleaning up their act and everyone else should take note. I guess it's a domino reaction to Janet Jackson's boob at the Super Bowl fiasco.

Apparently the morality police are at the bottom of this. Let's see if Limbaugh and Savage are forced to step down to in the name of decency or don't sacred cows get the same treatment?
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:35 PM
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18. Stern is a egomaniac
and a truly unfunny person.
BUT, I support the constitution.
I will hold my nose and support him.
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eaprez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:38 PM
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20. He's not being yanked
for bashing Bush...he was yanked because CC is trying to show the FCC they are doing self enforcement....so the FCC doesn't put the hammer to them since they are under pressure to regulate more. They did this in an effort to head off more regulation by the FCC. They fired a DJ in Florida the day before.
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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:33 PM
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33. How the hell do you know he's not being yanked for bashing Bush???
You've got a LOT of learning to do about how the BFEE operates, eaprez.

I suppose you also KNOW Wellstone and Baxter wasn't murdered.

Have you ever heard of "lying" and "deniablity"? Tactics sometimes employed in politics.

Welcome to DU. It's gonna be a bumpy ride for someone as innocent as you.

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eaprez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #33
62. land
of conspiracy theorists. i hope those who do all the hand wringing and worrying about stuff that hasn't happened yet are out there organizing.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:45 AM
Response to Reply #20
57. This story...
.. does not wash with me. CC is a friend of the administration. Nothing was going to happen to them, period.

Nice try - but I call bullshit.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:39 PM
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21. Howard probably has a bigger following than junior
He'll come out of this alright, I hope??
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:03 PM
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23. Stern doesn't work for CC, he works for Infinity/Viacom.
Edited on Thu Feb-26-04 10:17 PM by MercutioATC
CC is dropping Stern's show from their lineup, but Infinity/Viacom is keeping him on...he's still employed and doing his show.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. Six CC stations,mostly east coast I think......n/t
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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:10 PM
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25.  Who's more harmful to women - Howard Stern or Caitlin Flanagan?
Edited on Thu Feb-26-04 10:51 PM by scottxyz
Howard thinks women are only good for taking off their clothes and being ogled.

Caitlin thinks women are only good for doing laundry and keeping house.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1167945

Wouldn't it be nice to be a big media CEO, so we could decide who gets to talk?

= = =

So enough of the "Good riddance Howard" posts.

The most important fact about Howard is that for the "Fuck You Boys" he's probably the most subversive voice they will ever hear.

And his misogyny (like his racism) is anywhere from a put-on to a parody - a richly layered ambiguous farce definitely nothing at all like the knee-jerk paranoia of a real racist and misogynist like Rush. Howard's shtick is no different than the kind Archie Bunker did for so many years, and anyone who doesn't see that has been humor-impaired by too many years of laugh-tracks.

With the censoring of Howard this week, we are separating the real First Amendment supporters from the virtuous scolds, nervous babysitters, and other busybodies who want to turn our country into a kindergarten.

The problem with Howard - and his brilliance - is that he's always been a singular voice exposing just how corrupt and strangled corporate one-way media has always been - the censorship, the idiot producer Baba-Booie, the idiot station manager Tom Chiusano, and lately the idiot commander-in-chief and now the idiot CEO at Clear Channel.

Howard has always tread a thin line - being anti-authoritarian WITHOUT sounding like an intellectual. In anti-intellectual America, managing to "speak the truth to power" WITHOUT sounding like a nerd is quite a difficult feat to pull off - and a very valuable one.

"As hideous as he may be, Howard Stern is probably the most progressive media voice a lot of the F-You Boys are exposed to these days."

http://billmon.org/archives/001115.html

Those aren't the kind of guys who are gonna figure it out from Noam Chomsky.

True liberals should welcome Howard's voice in the media. What's original about Howard is that he manages to marginalize himself for being mainstream - the whole joke about Howard (which is on him) is "Look how dumb and inept straight white men can be!" This is really the point of all the times when he is so (ineffectually) homophobic, racist and sexist.

Again - some people would need a laugh track to understand this.

Censorship is always bad. It's really bad (but probably most typical) when humor-impaired peole get to do the censoring. It would be very sad for any people who say they believe in "democracy" to join the voices calling for Howard Stern to be censored - or condoning those who do.


And if there are actually people on DU who are happy that Howard's unique subversive voice is being censored by a tone-deaf CEO - if there are actually people on DU who think that A CEO CAN DECIDE SOMEONE IS "MISOGYNIST" AND PULL THEM FROM THE AIRWAVES (while leaving a REAL misogynist like Michael Savage on the air) - then you better really sit down and think what kind of "democracy" you believe in.

If you want Howard off the air, do like we did to Michael Savage and Dr. Laura - mount an awareness campaign and a boycott and a counter-message that shows a lot of people find their message damaging.

As I stated in another thread (above):

Everyone knows Howard isn't racist, but lots of people might be swayed by the claim that he's a misogynist. (Lots of other people - most of them women who know him - would say he's probably the biggest PHILOGYNIST in the world - the guy seems to love women more than any other guy they've met - and lots of these gals love him right back for it. But unfortunately those aren't the the people that have the power to pull him from the airwaves. That power evidently belongs to one man now - the CEO of Clear Channel - and when he spots a misogynist, I guess we just have to take his word on it.)

Get over your knee-jerk snobby liberal-elite notion that everyone who enjoys looking at naked women is somehow "misogynist". Talk to a few of the WOMEN who love Howard and see why they like his straightforwardness and passion and humanity so much more than the phony cardboard men who mouth politically correct phrases.

Don't you SEE the precedent you're setting here by letting some CEO decide a DJ is "misogynist" and then pull the plug on him?

You wanna get someone off the air, pressure his advertisers yourself. Don't hide behind some CEO who's really only censoring the guy for political reasons. Don't fall for that lie.

This is why the right wing makes fun of the bleeding-heart liberals. They're SO easy to manipulate - you can knock them over with a feather. Just say a woman or a homosexual or a religious minority has been slandered and they're suddenly all in favor of censorship.

Do you have any principles? And when you think there's a conflict between your so-called priniciple of feminism and your so-called principle of free speech - what do you do? You believe some CEO's opinion?

Howard's been ogling women and making childish remarks about them for decades - and he got pulled the day after he made what is probably his most important, most impactful political statement ever. He has been a gung-ho rah-rah jingoist (or a parody thereof, some discerning post-modern types claim) all this time for Bush - so he has a giant following of rah-rah types - and the FIRST time he tries to turn that massive demographic against Bush (which is really Bush's second-most-important after the rah-rah right-wing "Christians") - what happens?

A caller calls in, uses the "N" word and obscenity (for the umpteenth time in the history of Howard's show - which a LOT of black people and women have no problem listening to and PREFER over the phony crap in the rest of the media), and the CEO of the biggest radio conglomerate in the country, a conglomerate NOTORIOUS for censoring other voices who've spoken out against Bush's war in Iraq - this rapid-Republican CEO pulls the plug on Howard's shows in a few cities.

If you can't see what's going on here, then you're just the kind of blind, bleeding-heart loser "liberal" Karl Rove bets the whole Democratic Party is filled with.

Anyone with anything other than a tin ear understands that his shtick is VERY complex - a mixture of self-effacement, humility, frustration, awkwardness, overexitedness, clumsiness, boorishness and frustration toward women - what a discerning listener MIGHT constue as a richly textured PARODY of the complex array of emotions many not-too-swift men go through in their erotic relations with women.

The question of whether Howard is "misogynist" is FAR from being settled - and certainly it's not something we, as members of an open and free democracy, want some wooden-eared, Republican-sycophant CEO deciding for us all of a sudden the one week Howard starts turning his masses of dumb straight white guys against Bush.

C'mon. This is such a no-brainer - and SUCH an embarassment for any DUer to be saying "good riddance" because some CEO censored potty-mouthed Howard the first time he spoke up against Bush.

You wanna live in a democracy - then grow up and learn how to spot an Archie Bunker WITHOUT being clued in by a laugh track.



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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 12:22 AM
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45. Great post, dude.
Great post.

We'd better realize that we'll need every weapon at our disposal to flush that slimy little mam's boy and his scum cabal out of Al Gore's house in November.

If Stern is gonna bash Bush from now until election day, we'd be more than foolish to look that gift horse in the mouth.

He said it himself this morning - they're afraid that if he keeps dogging Bush, Bush could lose Florida, and Clear Channel knows it.

Back to the first post in this thread - love him or hate him, he's unloading on ThugCo. I applaud him for it.

-as
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 01:45 AM
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50. Sorry, I don't buy your defense of Stern
Edited on Fri Feb-27-04 01:55 AM by Woodstock
I was flipping through the dial and saw his TV show (I think on E!) where he told a woman to strip naked and show him her implants. Picture it, you are poor, and risk your health and blow money you don't have on implants so you can get on Howard Stern's show and strip. How sad is that. He then proceeded to say her implants weren't done good. And she was too skinny. And her face wasn't very pretty. So this woman is standing there on national TV naked with implants she will be paying 25% interest on for the next 10 years, and tears are starting to fall. But she doesn't have the self-esteem to tell him to go to hell, she just stands there. And he continues to mock her, with his loser supporting cast piping in.

This man is a misogynist. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Clear Channel (and their pals Michael Powell and George Bush) is reprehensible, no doubt about it. And yes, I think his show was pulled for criticism of Bush, not sleaze - they were willing to put up with the sleaze as long as it was making them money, but they feel like they can make even more money if they back Bush.

BTW, on All in the Family, Archie Bunker was a racist, but he had three family members who weren't, and who pointed out the error of his ways. Who is doing that on the Stern show? I don't see the parallel.
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Kinkistyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 05:19 AM
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53. Sorry. Didn't realize honesty = misogyny.
So if a guy who got a bad nose job and claims he was now "Brad Pitt-hot" and good enough for Playgirl magazine comes in and gets auditioned for Howard and gets Howards honest opinion. Howard tells him his nose-job is terrible, he's fat and he has no chance of being in Playgirl because he is not attractive enough and needs to lose weight and work out. So is Howard now a Misandrist, or a "Men-hater" now?

A.) Howard does a segment where he auditions women who think they are attractive enough for Playboy magazine and he gives them his honest opinion and in fact tells them what he thinks they should do in order to get into Playboy magazine (i.e. fix their implants, lose 10 pounds, etc.). This is no different than Simon Cowell someone that their singing stinks on "American Idol".

B.) What kind of woman "blows money they don't have on implants" to get savaged on a radio show? Nobody. You are making a "strawman argument" and are completely off base about why those women are on the show. Nice going.

C.) The women who do get reviewed on his show are warned by Howard numerous times by him that the review will be tough and that most likely not be very kind. The women STILL GO THROUGH WITH IT. Howard himself is quite easy on the women and has relatively low standards, but his panel can be quite blunt and frank. Being honest is NOT misogyny. They don't "hate women" and they don't feel women are beneath them. They are simply giving their honest opinion about "physical beauty". Which might be "shallow" but not misogynistic.

D.) Howard in no way feels women should have less rights than men, or "belong in the kitchen", or should just be "baby-machines". He is not sexist. He believes women have just as many rights as men do, and that is the very definition of gender equality. Yeah, he might be raunchy and overly focused on sex and scatology, but that does not make him a misogynist.

E.) He sometimes uses racially charged humor, which I do fault him for.
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:34 PM
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69. misogyny = hate
Edited on Fri Feb-27-04 07:45 PM by Woodstock
I disagree with all your statements.

You're completely blowing off the real reason why these women go on the show, and all to justify this man's hateful behavior. I know why this particular woman went on the show, and if you couldn't see it - and what was wrong with Stern's behavior - then there is nothing I can say in a few paragraphs to change your mind.

For someone to treat another human being in such a disrespectful way is wrong. There is no justification for it. Because the other human being willingly submits to such treatment does not justify the person dealing it out. And there is no denying that it is hateful.

And yes, if a woman had a radio/TV show and treated men that way, I'd say the same thing.

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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 03:30 AM
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83. "Human Howard is the antithesis of corporate Clear Channel"

In answer to some points Woodstock brings up:
(1) Woodstock says: "BTW, on All in the Family, Archie Bunker was a racist, but he had three family members who weren't, and who pointed out the error of his ways. Who is doing that on the Stern show? I don't see the parallel."

>> I say: The "straight man" on Howard is Robin. She is the Voice of Reason - as symbolized by the violins and French horns playing in the background during many of her lines.

Maybe I'm stupid, I don't know - but that joke where they've played the SAME violin and french horn track they've been playing for the past 10 years whenever Robin comes on - it STILL cracks me up every time.

I guess it's still fresh because Howard is about the ONLY commercial media person who does this game, exposing the powerful emotional effect of sound effects.

(I also love the game shows he occasionally has where he plays laugh tracks and applause tracks every time the contestant gets something right. It's so fascinating to me the way the EXACT same wave of emotion comes over me just like when I watch the same a sort of crap on TV. I feel like Pavlov's dog. Howard is the ONLY major media person who exposes these levers of broadcasting technology so openly - it's kinda scary.)

Some people might say the only reason he still gets a rise out of me is because I've never owned a TV, and I never listen to anything on radio since around the late 80s - EXCEPT Howard Stern, which I've taped a lot over the past few years.

It's always a shock when I pass within range of one of the emitters of non-Howard corporate mainstream media. Just today while I was standing in line in the Dollar Store I almost had a nervous breakdown because the line was taking forever and they were blaring the radio at those poor cashiers and me and there was some kind of COMMERCIAL on.

It was the most nerve-wracking thing that's happened to me in weeks. (Yes, I'm very sensitive.) I nearly threw my four boxes of Combat on the floor and ran out of there - but I persevered.

And it made me think of the way Howard does his commercials. Is anyone gonna mention that here? Does he get any points for those ad-lib-sounding, off-the-cuff, irreverent commercials he bullshits his way through, dutifully rattling off his cue cards while he's obviously bored out of his mind, farting, daydreaming, getting side-tracked, lying through his teeth - so that he can take home his millions?

(And does this remind you of anyone else in the media you know and hate?)


(2) Woodstock says: Howard does the same horrible stuff that Simon does on "American Idol".

>> I say: Actually Simon is just mean, whereas Howard's critique of his guests is much more nuanced, interlarded with his classic self-deprecation and Woody Allen-esque insecurity - which mean, one-dimensional Simon would never dare let us see.

Again, Howard's a real person, human and vulnerable and complex. He has LOTS of imitators who usually manage to hone in only on his meanness - but just because they miss all his other dimensions, doesn't mean that we should go back to Howard and pretend he's missing those dimensions too.

You know he's a lot more than mean.

Yeah - Howard's mean - but so is Jack Nicholson and John Malkovich and Christopher Walken - and when Brian DePalma or Quentin Tarantino or Mel Gibson do some movie with a really mean character doing really mean or even violent things to a minority we don't expect the CEO to all of his own accord show up in front of Congress the next day like a shivering poodle apologizing all over the place to some asshole politicians who don't really give a damn anyways about the other thousands of hours of obscenity and violence and humiliation on our airwaves.

But when the top shock jock turns his millions of moronic minions away from voting for the Chickenshit-Commander-in-Chief - then the Chief Executive Officer of the top media outlet has to fire him and run to Congress and get a star on this forehead. How nauseating is that??


What about that John Hogan guy, CEO of Clear Channel
What ABOUT that John Hogan guy, CEO of Clear Channel?

That chickenshit bootlicking buttfucked whoreboy.

How many millions of dollars has HE made off of Howard over the past few years till now he suddenly wakes up - now that Howard dished his precious AWOL cokehead cheerleader commander-in-chief just like those nasty Dixie Chicks did?

All of a sudden John Hogan decides to says he's sorry for potty-mouthed Howard and he'll NEVER let him on his big radio channel again until he promises to toe the line.

Who the hell does this John Hogan guy think he is - hassling the Dixie Chicks all over the country and now hassling Howard.

John Hogan, like George W. Bush, is just another spoiled-brat BULLY who doesn't know how to play well with others and throws a tantrum when he doesn't get his way
What's UP with that John Hogan guy anyways???? THAT'S the real story here - that's the "Man Bites Dog" aspect that makes this a news item.

Some caller calls Howard and makes a crass, offensive remark for the umpteenth time in a couple of decades - big fucking deal. But Howard for the FIRST TIME IN TWO AND A HALF YEARS happened to say DOWN WITH GEORGE BUSH (BEFORE that caller called in - AFTER Bush came out for the homophobia amendment) - and THAT'S when they decide to make Howard a "sacrificial lamb".

Remember the ONLY paper Bush gave an interview during that recent visit to London when NOBODY wanted him around was... the UK Sun, owned by his right-wing buddy Rupert Murdoch.

John Hogan is a big donator to Bush - and he's got a lot of rules he'd like to see Michael Powell ram through for him at the FCC.

Listen to his craven testimony today in front of Congress. If you ever wanted a definition of a toady, a sycophant, an ass-wipe, a brown-noser, it's John Hogan VOLUNTARILY testifying in front of Congress about Howard Stern this week, VOLUNTARILY apologizing for the things Stern said, "taking full responsibility" for everything Howard did.


In the venerable American tradition of treading the fine line between the euphemism and the toilet
More than any other media figure, Howard is actually more aware, observant and glibly euphemistic of American media's obscenity rules as codified over the years by the FCC (his standard instant substitutes for the FCC's "Seven Dirty Words" are a staple of his shtick), "community standards of decency", convention and other traditions which govern what can and cannot be said in corporate media.

That's one of the jokes on his show - it's kind of a slow, building one you only notice over time after taking in a lot of episodes - it's just one of the many rarefied connoisseur tastes of Howard that a casual listener probably wouldn't have time to notice as they skittered past on the dial.


Keep your eye on the ball, kiddies
If you let the picture get complicated by Janet's boob and Bubba the Luv Sponge's firing and one day's caller to Howard INSTEAD OF KEEPING YOUR EYE ON THE BALL WHICH IS THE FIRST AMENDMENT, HELLO? the Ashcrofts and the Michael Powells and the Karl Roves and the Scott McClellans and the Andy Cards and the Charlotte Beers and the Karen Hughes and the Rupert Murdochs and the Peggy Noonans and the Judith Millers and the Thom Friedmans and the William Safires and the Bob Novaks and the Howie Kurtzes and let's not even mention the obvious propaganda mouthpieces like Drudge and Hannity and O'Reilly and Rush - and all the other bleating media whores are gonna be able to slip one past you.

Just. Say. No.

Every time you roll over and let these BULLIES kick you in the teeth - like the started doing most visibly in November 2000 - they get bolder.

Quack, quack.

We have a Constitition with a First Amendment FOR SITUATIONS JUST LIKE THIS. We have an FCC which is SUPPOSED to be limiting media consolidation PRECISELY IN ORDER TO PREVENT DISASTERS LIKE JOHN HOGAN from happening. The letter and spirit of American law says that what John Hogan is doing is wrong. The letter and spirit of American law says we are supposed to protect voices like Howard's - and case law and legal opinions by our finest judges (I'm too tired to google on up now) warn us that the most TEMPTING times to fail in our defense of the First Amendment will be for marginal, questionable voices like Howard's.

You have been prepared for this situation by the words of the Founding Fathers and our finest judges. How can anyone drop the ball when the de facto Minister of Propaganda shuts down a dissenting voice - how can you just roll over and take it and say "Good riddance, never really liked him anyways"?

People spoke up for William Burroughs and people spoke up for James Joyce and people spoke up for Vladimir Nabokov in situations like this and Howard Stern is no different.

I might not be the best art-critic in the world, but I know art when I see it, and Howard is art - and Rush and Michael Salvage AREN'T.


The Constitution - AND case-law precedent - says you can't censor a work that has redeeming artistic value
You can't ban a work if it's not obscene and if it has some redeeming artistic value and it is not entirely prurient in nature. Yes Howard gets as close as he can to violating all of these criteria but the part of the truly breathtaking spectacle is to see how close he gets - how he skates along a thin line of the "permissible", the "sayable" in American media which so many other blithering media figures routinely stumble and scuffle all over and completely ignore (and often restrict).

Howard is not obscene. In charting the limits of the allowable in American mass media, he is creating a unique and enduring work - a kind of meta-work, the same way Versace or Armani (or their art directors) had special dispensation to make sure we remembered what a handsome young person could look like and Madonna (or her writers and producers) had to make sure we remembered what hot sex could look like or Andy Warhol (or his employees) had special dispensation to remind us of what could the subject of a work of art could look like. Artists working at this meta level invent genres and typically engender hordes of imitators - such as Ralph or Britney or that other factory-artist whose name escapes me now.

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Mass media is SO boring, and you know it
If we fell into the rut of believing in rags like People with their "Sexiest Man of the Year" concept and winners - we'd probably fall into a deep depression. Looks like a lot of people have.

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Every asshole has a right to be heard - or at least shut down by the listeners via the advertisers - not by some chickenshit asswipe back-scratching log-rolling CEO twit
A bitter old uptight white lady Susan Sanford in an Alabama paper this week said that gays AND PEOPLE WHO FIND THEM AMUSING should be put to death and is her boss going, tail between his legs, in front of Congress to apologize and dock her pay? No. Michael Savage told a caller who was gay few months ago to "Go catch AIDS and die!" - and the CEO of Clear Channel was just fine with that, didn't feel the need to run to Congress and apologize for his employee's or supplier's outburst in that case.

Every asshole has a right to be heard in this corporatocracy unless enough listeners get together and boycott the advertisers. (If that bitter old uptight white lady Susan Sanford at the Alabama paper was saying Muslims or African-Americans should be killed, then maybe we'd see her boss apologizing to the authorities, but as it is, she took her cue from our commander-in-chief and picked on the fags, so there's no authority to apologize to.)

But let a bitter old uptight white man make fun of George Bush on the top-rated yahoo show in the country - now THAT we have to shut down.


"Our glorious simian heritage"
As Burroughs said, "In order to appear stronger, a wannabe leader baboon will pick on another baboon, one perceived as weaker. Oh, well, it's all part of our glorious simian heritage."


Howard did two-way, networked, human conversation - like the Internet would become - before ANY one else in the one-way, hierarchical corporate media
Howard Stern's show is a singularity in corporate media - there literally are ultra-snobs (such as myself) who cannot listen to ANYTHING else in the corporate media besides his show, if it's on (which they often tape) - there are literally people who think that ALL interviewers aside from Howard are boring and cardboard and full of it.

There are people who CANNOT listen to a radio - CANNOT join a gym if they play a radio - will break up with a potential mate if they use a clock-alarm - and yet these same people will set an alarm to get up early to tape Howard and delete the commercials - before the days of TiVo.

Such people are starting to get proven right now that the blogosphere is rising up and pointing out that most media mouthpieces are hustlers and whores. (Notice how deftly *I* can deflect charges of "misogyny" - of up the ante of philogyny. It's really quite a skill few share!)

Howard anticipated the Internet. Working within the broadcast world, he anticipated the shape the post-broadcast world would take: disintermediated, human, networked rather than mediated, corporate and hierarchical.

His premises are:

(1) All the intelligence is at the ends - there's no intelligence in the middle.
http://www.isen.com/stupid.html
http://www.reed.com/Papers/EndtoEnd.html

(2) Anybody can subscribe to OR publish content. (Like Andy's "15 minutes of fame.")

Anybody can become famous - Stuttering John, Wendy the Retard, Hank the Angry Dwarf, Baba Booie, Scott the Engineer, Tom Chiusano, Howard's wife, and mother and girlfriend. ("Misogynist.")

All they need is someone to put them on the air and keep them on the air no matter how badly they screw up. Look at people like Ben Stein, Dennis Miller, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham... (I'm not a TV watcher - honest, a little here and there at friends' - so I'm weak on celebrities.)

Robin Givens was an Army nurse with a pretty speaking voice and a quick wit and a consistent moral outlook - and now she's a radio star raking in millions a year.

Can you miss for one second the fact the message of the show is partly about the averageness and diversity of the stars on it?

Can you forget for one second how much of a relief it is to hear REAL normal people on the air being themselves and talking off the cuff after so many hours of Hannity in his $3,000 suit ranting about nothing and CLAIMING to be "just a regular guy" - and Connecticut patrician Bush with his Texas cowboy boots and phony southern drawl posing at Daytona or in a flight suit or throwing a baseball like a big sissy at a baseball game?

(3) Networked communication is more interesting than hierarchical.
http://www.worldofends.com/

(4) The most effective messages and voices and conversations - be they editorial or commercial - are always two-way and human and messy and alive - never one-way and corporate and slick and soulless. http://www.cluetrain.com


There is a VERY significant groundswell of reaction against centralized corporate media and in favor of networked "human" media. The internet is one example of this, but Howard in his way was an earlier example of this too. Howard is a VERY important voice in the American media, and when he turns against Bush (as he has) he's just the type of guy corporations are gonna censor.

As such, human Howard is the antithesis of corporate Clear Channel.

Have you ever seen the jokes about black people on BET or about Jewish people in Woody Allen movies?
Howard jokes about oversexed frustrated straight people

It's really sad that some DUers fall for the line that Howard's "misogynist" or "racist". Yes his humor is pretty nasty and raunchy and those areas, but you can feel the empathy with Howard - in a way you can't with a Michael Savage or a Rush Limbaugh, who are just plain mean.

In his own way, Howard has a certain minority status (his small dick, his big nose, his out-of-shape body, his Jewishness, his intellectualism, his awkwardness around pretty women) which makes his poking fun at minorities a very complex parody of other weaklings who try to build themselves up by doing the same. (Again - any names come to mind?)


The American Way:
Let the people who get it get it. Let the people who don't get it change the channel

Like any jokes, Howard doesn't work if you have to explain him to people who don't "get it".

In fact, his brand of humor is diametrically opposed to intellectualism and explication - so not many university professors have taken up the subject of Howard in their post-modern humor studies departments.

Believe me, books could be written about Howard's humor - many people think he's one of the of the more steadily creative comedian workhorses out there, pumping out stuff day after day for so many hours for so many years, showing his virtuosity within the limitations of his format and style and the ever-present FCC guidelines.

But humor is best when it isn't explicated - and Howard's pretty much seen to that by making sure that his content is so coarse nobody would even think to analyze his form in a refined setting.

I wouldn't carry on like this for any one else on the air except Howard (well, maybe DAN Savage too - and he's pretty mean, but again, for a reason and with nuance). Simon is boring - he's just mean, and it's an act. Rush and the other Savage (Michael) are boring - they're mean, and they mean it.

Howard sounds mean, but if you listen to him for a while you see that he isn't. You feel the love and the pain and a whole lot of other human emotions you hardly ever feel with any other media personality. (Most of them, like Oprah, are so phony they make me want to barf.)


Changing one's mind about Rosie
Today I listened to Howard for the first time in a few months.

These days I'm up so late on the web these days enjoying asynchronous, two-way non-corporate (admittedly mostly textual) media now I have a hard time TiVo-ing in old-school synchronous two-way, oral media - even if it's un-corporate as Howard's. He does have a few commercials and I'm so used to Mozilla now where I don't even get pop-ups.

It was interesting hearing him talk about Rosie O'Donnell. He used to call her "Pumpkin Head" years ago, and never really liked her. I never really liked her either - she was just another phony talk show host.

Last couple days I've been feeling a little more mellow towards Rosie - after hearing her talk about how a right of "spousal confidentiality" would have helped her a lot in her recent lawsuit, where the prosecutor forced her girlfriend of many years to testify about lots of their intimate secrets. That was a really interesting point. It made me realize that straight people have this cool right under the law - they get to tell their innermost deepest darkest secrets to the one person they build their life around and probably sleep with, whereas when gay people do that (and we all KNOW now that they do that, right - remember the gay penguins and the rock they used to sit on like it was a egg!) - when gay people do that, a prosecutor in a trial can make one lover testify against the other in a court of law, there IS no spousal immunity without marriage.

It was cool to hear that Howard had come around to Rosie now - just like I had. We both saw her as more human these days - actually the only thing that ever matters in real-life, on the web, or on Howard's show. Real life. (Unlike ANY other corporate show - including the so-called "reality shows".)

That's a really good example of why I like Howard so much. He seems to be the only person in the media who thinks like me.

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Howard said he had almost been moved to tears seeing Rosie on the steps of City Hall the other day announcing her marriage to her girlfriend of many years. Funny thing, I had almost been moved to tears too, seeing some of those pictures of the happy gay couples in the papers.

It felt good to have a fellow human being in the media again. I've met plenty on the web (but that's non-corporate media). Aside from a few movie directors who starred in their own films, and some other great, well-cast actors, to me Howard's always been the only person in the corporate media who seems like a human being.

In this age where everything living must be killed by pathological corporations, it of course makes total sense that Howard would be the first to be mowed down, while Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage get to keep right on spewing their hate.

Howard might be mean - but you can tell that he doesn't hate anybody - not even George Bush.

= = =

Someone said it doesn't really matter whether it was the Jews or the Romans who killed Jesus - either way, we know it definitely was the Politicians.

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Mussolini said that Fascism was the perfect merging of the State with the Corporation.

We saw that perfect merging this week in the unsolicited apology of CEO Chairman before Congress about his potty-mouthed moneymaker Howard Stern.

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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 03:47 AM
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85. My point about the UK Sun, which I forgot to complete, was:
Edited on Sat Feb-28-04 03:48 AM by scottxyz
Remember the ONLY paper Bush gave an interview during that recent visit to London when NOBODY wanted him around was... the UK Sun, owned by his right-wing buddy Rupert Murdoch.

>> Murdoch's UK Sun is a titty-rag - has a naked babe on a certain page every day.

That's the rag Bush runs his UK interview in - because he knows that's the rag that's gonna go easy on him.

It's no problem for our commander in chief to appear in a titty-rag but if Howard pays some chick to "show" her boobs on-air then he's the ONLY guy doing that who gets pulled.

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Howard doesn't go easy on anybody. Not a dim-witted bimbo stripper or a dim-witted AWOL liar.

This is why they're coming after him.

If you fall for the "misogynist" or "racist" spiel - in the midst of our gory, racist, violent, sexist media - then you're just not paying attention and you're playing right into the GOP's hands.

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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 04:45 AM
Response to Reply #83
96. the ball
Cripes, I'm in danger of losing the crown for most verbose DUer, I'm afraid. Forgive me for not reading your whole blog here --and really, if I've clicked on a post because what a poster has to say sounds like it will be interesting, I usually do -- but I have to get some work done by noon.

Just a comment on one thing you said several ways:

If you let the picture get complicated by Janet's boob and Bubba the Luv Sponge's firing and one day's caller to Howard INSTEAD OF KEEPING YOUR EYE ON THE BALL WHICH IS THE FIRST AMENDMENT, HELLO? ...

The Constitution - AND case-law precedent - says you can't censor a work that has redeeming artistic value
You can't ban a work if it's not obscene and if it has some redeeming artistic value and it is not entirely prurient in nature.

Every asshole has a right to be heard - or at least shut down by the listeners via the advertisers - not by some chickenshit asswipe back-scratching log-rolling CEO twit


HOW is it about your first amendment? How has Stern's FREEDOM to SPEAK however and whatever he wants to speak been interfered with?

Does your first amendment GUARANTEE AN AUDIENCE for anyone who chooses to speak??

What has censorship got to do with this? Did some government agency threaten Stern that if he didn't shut up or change his tune, he'd be sent to Guantanamo? Has some PUNISHMENT been imposed on him for speaking? Has he in any way been PREVENTED from SPEAKING?

Where does it say in your constitution that "every asshole has a right to be heard"? I thought it said that everyone had a right to SPEAK. Do you actually imagine that this is the same as a right to be heard??

I'm sure you understand the difference between the right to sell newspapers and a "right" to make someone read them; the difference between the right to write a letter to the editor and a "right" to make the newspaper publish it; the difference between the right to erect a sign supporting or opposing a candidate for office and a "right" to force me to put the sign on my lawn.

I got no problem with critical discussion of the decision to withdraw Stern from the airwaves. I do got a big problem with representations of that decision as a violation of, or even as having anything to do with, anyone's constitutional right to do anything, other than the constitutional right of the broadcaster not to be compelled to convey someone else's message. Freedom of speech, y'know?

Now, that freedom of speech might indeed have been threatened by some govt action or threatened govt action against political speech broadcast by the broadcaster, under cover of public decency complaints or some such thing. But that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish, and it would require that Clear Channel have canned him because of its fear of that action, rather than its own displeasure with his political speech. I'm not sure how likely that is.

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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 03:16 PM
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98. You misquoted me, and Robin is no Edith
Edited on Mon Mar-01-04 03:26 PM by Woodstock
You've got a quote by me about American Idol and I don't even know what that is, so obviously I didn't say it. I rarely watch broadcast network TV and I don't watch teen shows when I do, so if I had to guess, I'd say that's what that is. If you are going to say Joe says ... or Jane says ... , you should be accurate about what Joe and Jane say.

Robin Quivers is the enabler of Howard Stern. She's not the parallel of Edith, Michael, and Gloria to Archie Bunker, not on this planet anyway. You obviously don't understand All in the Family. I guess you were too busy listening to Howard Stern.

The rest of what you said seems to indicate you really really really get into Howard Stern. In fact, I'd venture to say you're on of his biggest fans. That says a lot about you. And it says I don't have a darned thing to say to you. There is just too wide a gulf between our sensibilities.
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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 03:30 AM
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84. Howard might be mean but he doesn't hate anybody
Edited on Sat Feb-28-04 03:38 AM by scottxyz
Meant to say:

Howard might be mean - but you can tell that he doesn't hate anybody.

But some pollyannas like John Hogan seem to be mistaking Howard's break-up with George Bush as "hate" and getting all hysterical.

Calm down, Johnnie Boy. Georgie's not gonna punish you if you don't tattle on Howie.

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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 04:26 AM
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95. great minds

Shoulda read yours first, once again. Same true words, fewer of them. ;)

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Rich Hunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 04:14 PM
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63. thank you
I consider myself a feminist, but there are far more offensive things than this show.

My only gripe is that he is often intentionally dumb, and disguised his intelligence as the years went on. I am now bored with the show, but I don't think he's an idiot.

Someone told me that he said that someone gave him Al Franken's book and that he liked it.

If you saw 'Private Parts', you would know that he has an anti-authoritarian side that could re-emerge.
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Mushroom Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 03:32 PM
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89. Who's more harmful?
I would say people who expect women to drop their drawers to give poor old howard and his polly parrots some credibility.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 04:24 AM
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94. a Dennis Miller fan?
I used to enjoy watching Dennis Miller. He stroked his audience by making jokes that only really smart people would get, and they laughed at the jokes, not necessarily because they were funny, but to reward him for recognizing what really smart people they were ...

Anyone with anything other than a tin ear understands that his shtick is VERY complex - a mixture of self-effacement, humility, frustration, awkwardness, overexitedness, clumsiness, boorishness and frustration toward women - what a discerning listener MIGHT constue as a richly textured PARODY of the complex array of emotions many not-too-swift men go through in their erotic relations with women.

Pardon me, but: blah blah blah.

Somehow, I imagine that not all of Stern's audience is quite so discerning as thyself.

And a performer who tailors his shtick to the small discerning percentage of the audience, thus ensuring that he can't be pilloried for what he's doing -- hey, I'm laughing at "myself", folks! -- is very clever but not necessarily to be taken at face value when he says that.

He is also perfectly aware that a great big chunk of his audience takes him simply at face value -- does *not* recognize him as a parody of them; embraces him as one of them; hears what he says as validation of what they think. I mean, aren't the callers kinda prima facie evidence of this?

Archie Bunker really just wasn't all that subtle and complex. And there was an entire industry at work explicating Archie Bunker to the masses -- along with the characters he shared the set with whose main function was to explain the joke to anyone who missed it. It would have been virtually impossible to miss it in those circumstances. I don't think that Stern shares billing with anyone whose job it is to make him look ridiculous to anybody over whose head the joke happened to go, does he?

He can hardly imagine that there is enough of an audience out there for his brilliant subtlety and complexity to maintain the popularity that makes him those big bucks. Dennis Miller (in his former incarnation) might be seen as an object lesson in that fact. Somebody else is enjoying his shtick for some completely different reason, it would seem unavoidably obvious to me.

Get over your knee-jerk snobby liberal-elite notion that everyone who enjoys looking at naked women is somehow "misogynist".

Ya don't say. I'd suggest that someone get over himself instead. And I don't really give a crap what any other women you or he might prop up as cheerleaders for him. Why would I abandon my own powers of discernment in favour of someone else's judgment when I am quite capable of making my own, and when I trust my own judgment far more than I trust whoever they are?


The actual thing that *I* find problematic is the thing that seems to have started this whole ball rolling -- Janet Jackson's boob. My own immediate response, one that called for absolutely no analysis or reflection at all because the thing was so obvious -- was that I'd just witnessed an appalling act of public, degrading sexual violence against a woman that was broadcast at one of the most inappropriate possible junctures (as if there might ever be an appropriate one). (And again, I don't give a crap what Jackson's role in the event was. A woman who exploits sexual violence for profit gets no quarter from me.)

I gather that this is not how the event was perceived/portrayed in public discourse in the US, much. It was perceived/portrayed as "indecency" because nudity is indecent. Well, if the result is that honest, non-violent, non-exploitive representations of sexuality in the arts and media is suppressed, it might indeed be unfortunate. Given that there isn't much of that to start with, I'm not expecting much change there.

I don't doubt that Stern's political speech had at least something to do with the action taken. But as I was just saying to Karenina, I can think of a whole lot more important, more effective and less problematic political speech that is "suppressed" every minute of every day, including by the broadcaster in question, by not being broadcast. I'd be considerably more concerned about that.

Meanwhile, of course, I'll just watch/listen to the good old CBC, myself.

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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:11 PM
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26. I'll fight for him
If nothing else, we could make CC be consistent and dump pigboy, although I doubt it.
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:12 PM
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27. Sorry, no. NT
nt
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Liberal Christian Donating Member (746 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:13 PM
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28. Howard Stern's right to free speech has not been infringed upon
He is not in jail. He has not been arrested for anything he said.

He did lose his job. I have no love for Clear Channel, but they have the right to hire or fire anyone they want to.

He still has the right to voice any opinion he wants to. He has currently, probably temporarily, lost his ability to be paid for it.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:50 PM
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36. For the last time (hopefully) Stern did NOT lose his job!!!!!
CC isn't airing the Stern show on its radio stations any more.

Stern works for Infinity/Viacom, not CC. Infinity/Viacom is still paying him and he's still doing a widely-broadcast radio show.
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Liberal Christian Donating Member (746 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 11:00 PM
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39. My bad
I clearly didn't read closely enough. Sorry.

My point about his constitutionally protected freedom of speech, however, remains intact.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 12:27 AM
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46. I agree about free speech, but I don't think that was the issue, here.
CC set the stage in Florida and continued with Stern. They have a new zero-tolerance policy about objectionable material. Politics aside, most of what Stern says on-air is offensive.

I don't like big media companies any more than anybody else, but this doesn't seem like an issue to me.
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Liberal Christian Donating Member (746 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 01:38 AM
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49. Nor to me
I was only trying to speak to the arguments raised by people who DID think it was a free speech issue.

I may disagree with the end result and with the politics of Clear Channel, but they are operating within the law. Whether the law that allows one company to have so much control over what goes out over the radio airwaves is a good one or not is another discussion.

And I never could stand Howard Stern or most of the other "shock jocks." I don't find them funny. I don't see how they contribute in any way to making this country a better place to live. I do see how they appeal to the very worst that is in us and help us find ever lower common denominators. Woo hoo. Let's lift that up and celebrate.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:32 AM
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54. So, it is suppression of opinion
Here we have a conservative who bashes Bushco, his opinion banned from one of the main media forces of the GOP, and we have DU-ers supporting this suppression of opinion? Go figure.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:13 PM
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29. I think he could be useful
If he is pissed at the administration, he will tell his listeners about it.

There is a chance that many of his listeners are also pissed off, but would normally be too apathetic to vote.

If he can somehow make his followers realize how important it is to get Bush the fuck out of the White House, then this could be a good thing.
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Kenneth ken Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:34 PM
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34. No
the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. The enemy of my enemy is simply the enemy of my enemy.

If I didn't listen to and support Stern when he was on the radio, why would I be obligated to support him when he is off the air? Because he got fired? Sorry, not a valid reason.

The closest I come to supporting Stern is that I already don't listen to any Clear Channel radio - but that is true regardless of who they employ or don't employ.
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:47 PM
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70. I agree
Not a valid reason at all.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:39 PM
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35. this is not a free speech issue.
but that he and all his little wanna-bes around the country, and thier kind of, um, 'humor' are are so popular speakes volumes about how fucked up contemporary society is.
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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:58 PM
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37. Stop saying this isn't a free speech issue - it's a Clear Channel issue
We all KNOW Howard works for other syndicators (Infinity Broadcasting) so if Clear Channel pulls him, he still has a job.

This is a Clear Channel issue.

In fact, this has nothing to do with Howard Stern, and everything to do with the CEO of Clear Channel.

THAT'S the guy whose name should be in the head of all these threads - THAT'S the guy who made news this week - THAT'S the guy we should be talking about and analyzing and critiquing.

Not Howard. The only thing Howard did unusual this week was finally turn against Bush - like much of the rest of the right-wing lapdog media since the WMD scandal and the AWOL scandal and the anti-gay-marriage scandal.

Howard's just the most precarious out of that batch of right-wing media whores who finally gave up on Bush.

This is a warning shot being fired to scare at any other right-wing commentators who might think about turning on Bush.

They can't go after the high-brow ones who've turned on Bush in the past few weeks - so they go after the low-brow ones - knowing that all the hoity-toity politically correct "liberals" will just roll over and let it happen.

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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:38 AM
Response to Reply #37
55. if this is not suppression of free speech, then what is?
whether he's fired or his show not aired anymore, the effect is the same: one more GOP-critical opinion goes unheard.

Meanwhile anti-liberal hate-speech goes free.

Oh sure he may find a job at another broadcaster; one of those fringe media to which hardly anyone listens - still the same effect: one more critical opinion muted.

It is GOP apeasing self-cencorship by a GOP controlled media outlet.
If this is not suppression of free speech, then what is?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 04:50 AM
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97. uh, free enterprise?

Unless the "self-censorship" was genuinely coerced, it was just a business decision, eh?

If you want to persist in saying it was "suppression of free speech", you need to identify the suppressor.

And if it wasn't the state, then it wasn't suppression.

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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 11:02 PM
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40. No thanks
In fact, glad he is off. I hope, gone.
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Lone_Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 11:04 PM
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41. I'm sort of hoping that Stern will run for President...
He'd make a lot of noise against Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, and the FCC.

I wouldn't vote for him, but it would be interesting to watch.
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abbyhoffman Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 11:50 PM
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42. Clear Channel can't fire Stern
he does not work for them! he works for CBS he only airs on some of Clear channel stations.

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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 01:42 PM
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60. CBS? Even more likely his comments about * got him axed
That's the same CBS who refused to air the Raygun movie and the Move-On ads.
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abbyhoffman Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 03:55 AM
Response to Reply #60
86. No
you see he still as a job his show was only dropped by CC stations he still on about 30 others
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 12:17 AM
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44. I think he should take care of his own dilema
Teach him a lesson. If he comes over from the dark side on his own, he'll be better for it. He needs to learn that the wingers will toss their own grandmas over the side to get what they want.
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Katarina Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 01:33 AM
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48. Teach him a lesson?
Of What? Freedom to say what you think, above all else? We do not need government or clear channel to be a baby-sitter for us! We can change the freaking channel!
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 12:32 AM
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47. Gotta grab the non polictical, fickle Stern, before the repubs get him
Edited on Fri Feb-27-04 12:33 AM by Zinfandel
to pound the left, just for that republican money and they can throw a lot his way. Just ask Dennis Miller.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 03:02 AM
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51. Howard--like him or not is being attacked and...
censored. There is an answer for this show if one doesn't want to watch--switch stations. This is yet another assault on the Constitution.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 05:00 AM
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52. No thanks,
I find Stern repugnant, sure he has a right to say what he wants but he should use some common sense especially in this era. I wonder how much harm he has caused with his racist, sexist trash talking. Stern can find his help amongst the white males that agree with him in his put-downs of others, he won't get it from me.
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:48 AM
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58. HERE ARE THE EMAIL ADDRESSES
randypalmer@clearchannel.com,webmaster@clearchannel.com,lisacdollinger@clearchannel.com,pr@clearchannel.com

I emailed them and told them basically that I believe the real reason they booted Howard was because he was critical of Bush and the Clear Channel CEO is a republican, friend and contributor to Bush. Howard has been doing his thing for 20 years... they knew what they signed up for. What's different about Howard lately? He against Bush and speaking out. The Bob & Tom show (also on CC) is just as "offensive" as Stern's but they are conservative so they get to stay.

CLEAR CHANNEL IS A SUBSIDIARY OF BUSH:
http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/03/04/18_clear.html
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:52 AM
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59. If you are not concerned about what's happening to Stern
Then you shouldn't be when this stuff spreads to other TV and radio personalities that lambaste Bush or have "blue content".

What if "the Vagina Monologues" is banned from being performed?

It's entirely possible.
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EV1Ltimm Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #59
68. agreed...
love him or hate him, we have to fight such outrageous censorship efforts before it gets out of hand.
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tobius Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 08:39 PM
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79. last I heard the vagina monologues were being protested for
not representing diversity. http://www.dailyemerald.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/02/16/4030f5201c529 "I would just like to call attention to the fact that this could have been a more diverse cast, but a safe and welcoming environment was not created for people that I consider to be 'underrepresented,'" Barrett said in the statement.
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Rich Hunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 04:23 PM
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64. today on Howard Stern
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/2/27/1679/78970

Howard Stern has gone ballistic on Bush. During today's show he was telling his callers, "Do not vote for Bush. We want Regime change."
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 08:35 PM
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78. It's seems clear to me
Stern is in trouble with CC and the FCC because of his "new" (?) and extreme animosity toward Bush*

I haven't heard of ANYONE ranting on Bush* like he's been doing. Not on mainstream radio. Cable/Internet -- yes, but not on the regular rock stations.

Stern has been rude, crude and tasteless (my opinion) for decades. It's no coincidence that on the one day he started slamming Bush* he was taken off the air in "certain" markets by nightfall.

Remember, no one ever pulled him off the air in the past for his antics when they degraded females, small people, etc. Only when he spoke ill of Bush* did they attack.
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Hammie Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 05:03 PM
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66. He doesn't need any help
Edited on Fri Feb-27-04 05:04 PM by Hammie
Stern works for Infinity, not Clear Channel. The two companies are competitors. You can bet that Clear Channel was not getting a sweetheart deal from Infinity on the show. Clear Channel probably dropped it because it wasn't making them very much money and they could make some political hay from doing so.

These are really big, sophisticated, companies that only care about making money. Believe it or not, they really don't need your help.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 12:04 AM
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82. Repaeat after me: it's not about Stern, it's about Clear Channel, It's ...
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:59 PM
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74. Ahhh, no. Can't stand that friggin/bigoted/sexist pig.
:hi: Howard.
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tobius Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 08:05 PM
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75. there is no issue here. find something that matters.
6 radio stations - suspended. Omg. he is censored! -please don't equate this with any civil rights issue, it's insulting.

help him do what? maybe everyone here could chip in and get him a 7 second delay so he can cover his ass when a caller goes off.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 12:01 AM
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81. It's the Clear Channel....er.....sir.
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tobius Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 07:21 AM
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87. er......ok. (?)
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 03:21 PM
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99. Good use of the "...er"
I would say "Here is Your Fair Und Balanced Answer, just like you like it, errrr, sir."

But that's just me.
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 08:19 PM
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76. Leave Howie alone....
Edited on Fri Feb-27-04 08:20 PM by Baclava
He has admitted to his small penis size a multitude of times...
Who is he threatening?
He likes strippers and hookers...he can't be all bad.
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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 01:01 AM
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90. THIS might be the transcript that got Howard fired from Clear Channel:

Howard: ...over the vacation I read Al Franken's book, Lying liars who... it's great.

Robin: Yeah?

Howard: It's a great... He is phenomenal.

Artie: He's a funny guy.

Robin: That's the one that Bill O'Reilly was upset about.

Howard: I can see why.

Robin: Yeah?

Howard: He does a thing. It's really funny... I bought the book, and I said on my vacation I'm going to read Al Franken's book. Lying liars who lie... I don't even know the title. And uh... the first page he insults me.

Robin: Really?

Howard: yeah, he talks about how I'm, like me and uhh Ann Coulter are McCarthyites or something... like ya know it's was just really insulting. And I And I And I And I just said, ya know...

Robin: You, and Ann Coulter, that's interesting.

Howard: I can get past this if Al doesn't like me. But, I'm not even sure why I'm like McCarthy, but, evidently I am, according to AL and ya know what, if Al says it it must be true because

Robin: because you loved this book and he was right on about everything...

Howard: I loved the book, and he seems to be right on about everything. If you read this book you will never vote for George W Bush.

Robin: Yeah?

Howard: Because, what he does is, he takes everything that you've seen in the newspaper, and goes back and he get 12 Harvard kids...

Artie: (Laughing)

Howard: ...to research everything and to find out what really happened...

Robin: uh huh?

Howard: and when you find out the truth about stuff, it is just frightening and he does a chapter on uhh on Hannity and Colmes from the Fox news network that is so funny... I mean I can't even tell you how funny it is.

Robin: Really? I've got to get this book.

Howard: Somebody outta fund him some money then let him make a movie like what's his name does, Micheal Moore.

Robin: Yeah.

Howard: Yeah. He is he is really good.

Robin: Well he's going to be on that radio, the liberal radio network.

Howard: I'll listen to him. I'll listen to him if it's as good as that book.

Robin; that's what he's planning to do

Howard: Lying liars who lie or something like that

Robin; I know it's all about lies that lying liars tell.

Howard: Yeah, and it's really funny.

Artie: Well he's one of those guys even if you disagree with his politics you think he's funny...

Howard: Yeah!

Artie: ...because he's such a funny guy

Robin: But he convinced you it sounds.

Howard: Oh oh... he was so it was awesome, the book is awesome. I'm going to give tone...

Robin: All right, I'm going to get it.

Howard: ...to Scott Depace who's like one of those guys who the republicans can do no wrong.

Fred: (Southern Accent) No thank you!

Howard: (Southern Accent) I'm not readin' that!

Fred: (Southern Accent) I'm not readin' nun uh dat der bull...

Robin: (Southern Accent) I don't want my mind opened.

Howard: (Southern Accent) Don't open up my mind.

Robin: (Southern Accent) I like it closed.

Howard: Well I've been feeling really horrible about George W Bush since what's going on with the FCC and what's going on in this country with stem cell research. What's going on now

Robin: the abortion thing

Howard: the abortion thing. I feel that there's way too much government in our lives, and I can't believe G W Bush is behind it. I think this guy is a religious fanatic and a Jesus freak.

Robin: Uh huh.

Howard: and he is just on a hell bent on getting some sort bizarro agenda through, like a country club agenda that his father will be finally proud of him. And uhh I I umm I don't know much about Kerry but I think that I'm one of them anybody but Bush guys now, ever since the FCC stuff went down and it directly effects me and even some of the things with the economy.

Baba Booey: Don't you think that it's weird...

Robin: Well, the economy is a big a huge issue.

Howard: I don't think G W is going to win. What do you think of that?


= = =

So, suddenly John Hogan, Bush Ranger and CEO of Clear Channel discovers that Howards Stern talks about pornography on his show and is offended.

The day after Stern made the above remarks.

Coincidence, I'm sure.


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92. Excellent!
I Hope This Helps Wake Some Of You Guys Up!

I've Always Loved His Show.
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