Does * (and Rove, et al) ACTUALLY BELIEVE the tax cuts are beneficial

[mike1963]

to the economy? Or is it that they think a majority of Murkins are stupid enough to believe the claim.......? I just simply don't get it.
:eyes:

[Langis]

1. It's beneficial to getting rid of SS

That is their goal, and it's working.

[loudnclear]

21. They know it really is the low interest rates and not the tax cuts that

mean the most to average Americans but they will sing the party line in unison.

[LearnedHand]

2. Are you kiddin' me?

They don't believe it, either. What the DO believe is that the cattle -- that's us -- respond to that shit: "Rrrrh? Bush. Cut taxes. Good. More money, me. Tax: bad. More money: good."

[BlueEyedSon]

3. It's beneficial to their base (campaign contributions)

[Johnyawl]

4. Yes they do

It's good for them and their friends, how can it not be good for everybody?

[movonne]

5. Stupid enough to believe the claim...This has nothing to do with

being beneficial unless you mean to the rich.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

6. They're benificial for them and their chronies

Fuck everyone else.

[eaprez]

7. Read

"The Great Unraveling"......this is about a philisophical difference between the parties. The Republicans simply do not belive in Social Security, etc....and if they run the deficit up to where a choice has to be made between defense spending and social spending -- guess which side looses the money?

[ComerPerro]

8. Yes, because it is benificial to the economy they live in

And, frankly, that is all they could give a shit about.

They do know that they are fucking most Americans, but they probably think it is hilarious that they still have any support at all.

What do you call a Repulican that isn't a millionare?

A sucker.

[wuushew]

9. It speaks to the failure of George H. Bush as a father

Bush 41 believed Raygunomics were Voodoo in nature as also thought invading Iraq was a bad idea. Apparently when the apple fell from the tree it started rolling to the right and right off a cliff.

[maggrwaggr]

10. no, of course not. Here's how it works.

Here's how it works. Typical crime family stuff. They give the rich tax cuts. They then hit up the rich for money. They say "hey, we just saved you $100K a year. Send us our cut"

The fat cats are happy to do it.

Their base (these fat cats) ain't getting poor even if the economy goes south. In fact they'll probably just keep getting richer.

This is Bush's true base. I saw them at the Century Plaza Hotel in Century City for Bush's fundraiser. I stood there and watched every one of them get out of their cars. I wandered through the hotel with them and listened to their conversations. They don't give a rats ass about anything but their money.

They laugh at the poor, no joke. The poor disgust them.

[mike1963]

14. I suppose you are right, but can they bullshit so many people with this?

Nobody thinks he or she is stupid, and I don't think most folks are (although it's certainly true that 50% of people are below average), but are we, as a society, really so gullible that the collective intellect is that bad? (I think I don't want to hear the answer to that...)
:eyes:

[maggrwaggr]

18. ah, yes, you give little tax cuts back to the little guys

You give $300 back to the Joe Sixpacks and they think it's just gravy.

That's how they get away with it.

It's the loaf of bread tossed into the crowd at the gladiator events.

Joe Sixpack doesn't want to give back his three hundred bucks, nosiree. He has no concept of what the upper-classes are getting away with. He's living in a completely different world.

Then the president uses the line "money in your pocket" over and over so people can almost FEEL that $300 in their pockets, and they think "hell yeah, tax cuts are GREAT".

[baby_bear]

11. Of course. The middle class is no longer wanted.

Whereas the middle class used to be necessary for both production and consumption, now emerging countries can supply both, yielding higher profits to the corporations.

We are just so much gum on their shoes anymore.

Now the wealthy fat cats just need a service class in this country, to drive their limos and the like. I wonder who will fix their pot holes or be their emergency room physicians, or if they have even thought of that. They are so short-sighted.

s_m

[maggrwaggr]

19. interesting. Hadn't thought of that, but you're right

the emerging markets are now supplying the required consumers, the middle class of America is no longer needed.

[alcuno]

12. No, they think it's their "due."

Isn't that Paul O'Neil said that Cheney said in a meeting? "It's our due."

[mike1963]

15. Yeah, I'd forgotten that. Seems it's more like we're their doo-doo...

:grr:

[historian]

13. Its good for them

and thats all thats important. However, the lower rungs of the repuke ignorants were all thrilled to get their 400 dollars checks - id love to see bill gates tax return!

[I AM SPARTACUS]

16. faith-based "trickle down"..we KNOW that the only thing that trickles...

...the only thing that trickles down is urine...

[SharonAnn]

17. No, but they don't care. They've got theirs, we can go suck wind.

eom

[Zinfandel]

20. Keep the corporate donations rolling and no money left for any

social programs...but plenty of money for corporate welfare and military weapons makers as well as fat rip-off no bid contracts for Halliburton.

[strategery blunder]

22. Yacht sales skyrocket!

Bushies: Wow, the economy must really be cruising now!

Meanwhile, for those of us who AREN'T millionaires :mad: :mad: :mad:

[tobius]

23. in general?

Indeed, to stimulate more consumer demand and economic growth, Edwards and Kerry have proposed still more tax cuts for Americans who live off their paychecks -- Edwards via additional family credits, Kerry via a holiday on payroll taxes. http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2003/08/26/democrats_split_on_tax_cut_issue/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/03/05/17_democrats.html
Democrats: The Party of Tax Cuts

American voters want tax cuts? Okay, let's give 'em tax cuts!Real tax cuts that will benefit real people. Let's start with exempting all earned income up to the Federal poverty level from payroll taxes. For a single person under 65, that would mean the first $9,359 of their paychecks would have NO payroll tax deductions. For a family of three, it would be the first $14,494.

Do I have spell this one out? How many voters get income the old-fashioned way—by sweating their asses off for it? Okay, now, how many get it via stock dividends and capital gains? What are people who actually work for a living likely to do with the extra $700-$1,000 bucks in their pay envelopes. Invest it off shore? I don't think so.

Real tax cuts. Democrats can OWN this issue.

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=20010917&s=borosage
And they should be taking credit for the tax rebate that people are getting--that was a Democratic idea that wasn't even in the Bush plan. Instead, Democrats are whistling Calvin Coolidge and ceding the growth argument to Bush. Bush says his tax cuts are needed to help the economy revive; that's right--only he's lying about his tax cut. Most of it doesn't kick in for years and goes to the already rich.