On Rosie, Toby Keith and our new fair-weather friends.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

Obviously one of today's big stories is Rosie O'Donnell's marriage in San Francisco and her reaction to George Bush's 'vile and hateful comments' on gay marriages. Rosie, it now seems, has soured on a President about whom she once said "I have had nothing but accolades for the job he has done for this nation... I am in full support of the President." and "Honey, I love him now! He is our President. We are at war.".
Rosie, no doubt would now refute these comments, in the light of her recent conversion, but here's what gets me. Rosie is upset at Bush ove gay marriage. She is upset over an issue that affects her. She doesn't seem to be upset over the war in Iraq, which she wholeheartedly supported, or the continual bleed of American jobs and money to the third world. She's concerned about herself.
Something tells me Rosie hasn't changed one bit. Self interest is still self interest. When I hear Rosie comment on the Republican assassination of the American economy, or the clear and present threat to social security and pensions, then I'll be glad to welcome her on side, but for us on the Democratic side, we believe in something bigger than ourselves.
Toby Keith has been calling himself a 'very conservative democrat' on the talk show circuit recently. I have news for you, Toby. There is no such thing. Here's the deal. I'll consider you a Democrat when you apologise to the Dixie Chicks for your obnoxious and nasty comments on their dissent, when you start speaking out for your supposed beliefs, when you start standing up for the average American worker rather than making dumb threats to people and countries who disagree with you. However, I think we both know you'll be out there shilling your ass for George W come election time. Your pronouncements are nothing more than an attempt to keep up with the people who buy your records who day by day are waking up to the gang of extremists who have kidnapped America's destiny. Your one concern is to keep up the sales for your own gain. Toby, you are a Republican.

As a final note, I notice some self-proclaimed Democrats are pushing the bi-partisan agenda. Dan Aykroyd and Sean Astin are the most outspoken. Guys, it's hard to be bi-partisan when one side doesn't give a shit. Just remember that, OK?

[jimbo fett]

1. Very well said, Lord Byron.

[dusty64]

2. I think Rosie has

actually seen the light, as for toby he is just blowing along with the flow. I think he might get more forgiveness if he begged the Dixie's for their's on his hands and knees.

[Gringo]

10. Rosie's a beeyotch.

Aside from her erratic & irresponsible behavior in recent years, I remember her making a huge stink about how oue president "lied to us" and how disgusted she was with him, and she bashed him repeatedly. This from the lady who put on makeup and snazzy clothes and pretended to be in love with Tom Cruise for years, but turned out to be LYING about her sexuality the whole time. Turns out she likes flannel, buzzcuts and other women.


Okay, sure nobody with a brain ever thought Rosie was straight, but nobody back in '92 ever thought Clinton didn't have a roving eye.

She ignored ALL of Bush's horrible crimes and lies so long as he didn't dump on gays, and now that he has, she hates him. This is the only kind of gay I don't like, the fair-weather, one-issue democrat.


AND her comedy schtick is NOT funny. (Kooshballs- feh!)

[supernova]

14. Just goes to show

people in the public eye, having great wealth is no guarantee that you're a well-informed person.

Rosie. *sigh* I think she's just mixed up about a lot of stuff. And it really shows when she tries to be political. Her partner acutally looked a little scared on the courthouse steps yesterday. I wonder whose idea it really was. :shrug:

[beanball]

30. Rosie

you hit the nail on the head Gringo.Rosie is full of s---.

[NicoleM]

3. As long as

the weather stays good until election day, I'll take all the fairweather friends we can get.

[Bridget Burke]

4. Nobody's perfect.

Accept any enlightened statements with an open mind & a bit of scepticism. Maybe these people have seen the light & will continue to evolve. Or maybe not.

For those of us who are not famous--who knows what we said or did in the past? Your history (and mine) are quite obscure. However, I'm not anointing myself as the ultimate arbiter of liberal purity.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

5. I wouldn't call myself pure either, but I am very suspicious of these two.

For what it's worth, i've held the same political views since I was fourteen. Whether that's a good or bad thing, I'll leave up to others to decide. My point is that they're still acting strictly in their own self interests.

[Bridget Burke]

11. I won't say I'm not suspicious

But there are others more worthy of my anger.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

6. Lord Byron, you are 100% correct.

Rosie O'Donnell's appearance in San Francisco yesterday was nothing but a publicity stunt. How many other couples wanted to get married yesterday in San Francisco, but had to wait because the so-called "Queen of Nice" had to have her 15 minutes of fame?

As for "Kobe Teeth" he absolutely disgusts me and I'm a huge country music fan. According to one of the d.j.'s on the country music station US99 here in Chicago, that pile of shite made $65 million dollars last year on his tours. Why doesn't he take some of that obscene amount of money and give it to some of the families of National Guardsman that have been shipped over to Iraq, so they can pay some bills. Or better yet, why doesn't the asswipe enlist and go fight himself. BTW, swine will fly before he ever apologizes to The Dixie Chicks. He really thinks, he's an "American Soldier".

[Screaming Lord Byron]

8. Cheers. As far as I'm concerned they're still all about themselves.

Everything is a photo-op. Everything is publicity. Everything sells the product.

[Bronco69]

9. I couldn't have said it better myself!

As soon as I heard Rosie was headed to SF to get married I told my partner it was all for publicity. As for Toby I would like to get one of those t shirts that Natalie Maines had that said simply FUTK.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

7. That's what you get when you allow culture wars to divide us

Who the hell is Rosie O'Donnell anyway and why would I consider that rich corporate whore to be on my side? So what if she's gay, I don't give a damn.

[Brewman_Jax]

12. It's not fun when someone loses an eye

says most mothers. Politics is rough, and the rules have been changed for the worse.

Quite a few ex-repubs have joined DU, hat in hand, saying that we laughed at you all on the political left for years, 'til we got bit by Bush's* policies. You were right. We'll work to get Bush* thrown out, and please don't throw us back.

I was (and still am, on occasion) ready to have them booted after telling them, "Why don't you go cry to Bush* you sorry bastards! You should have thought of that earlier. It was fun watching "those" people get screwed over, but it's no fun when it's your ass on the block, is it?"

Have they really seen the light? Are they really that selfish and self-centered that it requires something in their personal life to wake them up? Even after repeated bashings with the hammer of truth, I guess that facts aren't good enough unless they're YOUR facts.

P.S. I guess I should have cleared my spleen earlier!

[ewagner]

13. Most important point

bi-partisan? These repubs have taught us what they think of bi-partisan. They think it's a sign of weakness.

Have we forgotten the lesson that Bushco taught Ted Kennedy? Kennedy joined Bush in a bi-partisan effort to pass the No Child Left Behind Act and got stabbed in the back when Bushco refused to fully fund it.

Bushco placated Congressional Democrats in the IRW by saying he would go to the UN and also build a Coalition. He went to the UN all right! With his My way or the highway speech and then bought a coalition of inconsequential nations to make it look like he kept his word.

This is the most dishonest and radical administration we've ever seen. Bi-partisanism doesn't work with these a-holes......this is a friggin knife fight.

[AmericanErrorist]

15. What is a Democrat?

We try to think it's a lot people who agree with us, but it is a political party with a lot of people who disagree, and they have held at lot differeing opinions in their history. Which President can best historically represent the party? Andrew Jackson? FDR? Bill Clinton? Jimmy Carter? All these people where Democrats, and they all stood for varied and opposing things during their presidency. They all were very important to the histories of their time period. The only thing the Democratic Party has ever consistantly stood for is a donkey as the logo. And that didn't come to be until the late 1800s!

[Beer Snob-50]

16. I say cut Rosie some slack....

like most Americans, she only knows what she sees on the TV and doesn't do much in the way of using the mush between her ears to know what is actually going on.

[samsingh]

17. well put Screaming

TK was an asshole attacking the Chicks and he enabled a war based on lies. His behavior was awful.

FUTK FUTK FUTK - can't say it enough

[RandomKoolzip]

18. Yeah, but Toby keith's music is SOO awesome that I can forgive

him a few mistakes, Likewise, Rsie O'Donnel is just SOO damn funny, that, yes, I can forgive....

(This is what's known as sarcasm)

[Screaming Lord Byron]

19. Man, if only I had the power to raise the dead,

I'd have Hank Williams on Toby Keith's ass in a minute. Hank would pull him to pieces. Woody Guthrie could no doubt throw a few punches in there, too.

[RandomKoolzip]

24. See, that's my point.

They're such FANTASTIC entertainers that I can look the other way when they support Bush, and then continue buying crap from KMart cuz Rosie shills for them, and continue trading bootlegs of the Tobe-ster among my fellow Keith-heads.

I support condemning these ratfuckers simply because they're famous for producing talentless, unamusing CRAP, no matter what their political views are.

I'd get Ray Price, Hank, Woody, the Carter family, Dock Boggs, and the entire pre-1960 Grand Old Opry to give Mr. Keith a right ass-whuppin'...and I'd get Gertrude Stein to educate Rosie on how to amuse through repitition. Repeated FISTS, that is!

[Kathy in Cambridge]

20. She wore a "No Blood For Oil" Shirt on Donahue

I think she may have praised Bush post-911. But she has always been a liberal.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

21. "Honey, I love him now! He is our President. We are at war.".

That cancels out the 'No Blood for Oil' T-Shirt, I'd say. I think she's a very confused person, perhaps due to her being closeted for so long. She has expoused some Liberal viewpoints, but she's also parroted Republican ones.

[terrya]

22. Well said as usual, SLB.

I was a bit put off over the coverage of Rosie's wedding yesterday. First of all, what about the couples still waiting to get married? Once again, celebrity trumps all.

You don't do a turnaround on Bush solely because of gay marriage. This raidical cabal of evil in the White House has done so much damage to this country in just three short years. Millions of jobs lost, a war in Iraq that was based on lie after lie after lie, enviromental policy tilted towards the polluters, civil liberties under assault as never before, etc, etc. And Rosie finally wakes up to the fact that Bush is evil solely because of gay marriage? How stupid is this attitude, anyway?

I'm in favor of gay marriage, of course. And I am sickened and angry over the FMA. But that's not the only thing I care about.

And please....if Toby Keith is a Democrat, I'm Paris Hilton.

Terry

[Screaming Lord Byron]

23. The FMA is a crucial issue, but I want to see people looking at the full

picture. I want people to look beyond what merely affects them to what affects the planet. Self Interest is destroying our society and world.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

27. Lord Byron

I am looking at the bigger picture and it just pisses me off that so many of the American public are either too lazy or stupid to think for themselves.

That day in December 2000 when the Supreme Court selected "Chimpy" was one of the worst days in my life. I never got "over it" and I never will. My blood boils when I hear family members and friends say that "George isn't such a bad guy" or something similar. I just want to slap them.

After 9-11, the whole world sympathized with what happened in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. What did Georgie do? He has managed to make our country a laughingstock.

Let's go onto the Patriot Act, missing WMD's, No Child Left Behind, the Medicare drug bill, his disappearance from the TANG, his bogus support of an amendment to the Constitution regarding marriage, Greenspan's comments of the other day regarding Social Security, yesterday's announcement by the illustrious Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert about the 9-11 Commission and his complete disregard for environmental rules and regulations.

What really makes me angry is the fact that my husband, who became an American citizen in June, 1999 is seriously thinking about not voting in November. His reason is this: my vote didn't count in 2000, why will it count now. He grew up in Northern Ireland and one man, one vote was a myth if you happened to be Catholic in the later part of the 1960's. I'm still working on him though and I hope he'll change his mind.

Wake up People, time is running out. Send "All Hat, No Cowboy" back to his pig farm in Crawford, TX or better yet, put him in jail where he really belongs.

[Buns_of_Fire]

25. Exclusively self-interest or not,

every time Rosie or TK (or the Log Cabin Republicans or the AARP, for that matter) bash boosh*, I figure that's one more ad against Commander Codpiece that Democrats didn't have to pay for. Not pure, just pragmatic. ;-)

[rhino91063]

26. HEY! I DONT CARE IF

They hate bush for his hair color! Keep our eyes on the mission here. Our mission is to save this country from bush. As such I will welcome any allie we can get. bush has got to go, the rest is minor nonsense.

[OneBlueSky]

28. I, for one, will take anti-Bush allies wherever I can find them . . .

and will hold no grudges for their past indiscretions . . . everybody's an asshole at some time in their life . . . those that learn from the experience are welcome at my table . . .

[Loonman]

29. I'm beginning to believe Rosie will say anything

So long as it's on TV.

See, Rosie? Clinton was your friend, not homosexual-hating George W Bush.


Now go away.......until you have another opinion to share......on TV.

[CreekDog]

31. Willie Nelson Did A Duet For Toby Keith's last album...

If Willie will sing with him, he can't be all bad.

I find Toby intriguing, several months ago when interviewed Toby said that he thinks that ultimately the Iraq war would be seen as a mistake in the same way that Vietnam was. He also believed that Vietnam was a mistake.

As for the Dixie Chicks, I don't like what he did, but always thought Natalie Maines made herself fair game, NOT for criticizing the president, but for criticizing Toby Keith's song, "Courtesy of the red, white and blue". His response lacked any tact, as does Toby, but nevertheless, I don't get riled up by it.

Finally, as far as being a "conservative" Democrat. Well, if somebody wants to call themselves that, that's just fine by me. This, hopefully, is still a free country and you can call yourself whatever you want. My feeling is that if Toby has 'regular' joe politics that he should be a Democrat, even if only on fiscal issues because regular folks are taking a beating under this president and being asked to foot the bill to pay for tax cuts to the heads of corporations that just laid them off!

If Toby wants to be a Democrat, that's just fine by me. Welcome to the big tent!