MSNBC Poll: Want Roe v. Wade overturned?

[Flubadubya]

Right now the poll is 70% for overturning, 30% against. There are only 5,020 votes right now, but this one you may want to weigh in on.

Props to former fellow DUer Ray Dubuque for the heads up!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4316501

[LincolnMcGrath]

1. damn

done

[bluedog]

2. RW must

be out in full attack mode this morning....

[marie123]

7. it is not the rw`

look at the statistics.

The emotional back lash from women after having abortions threw the years has become horrendous. Roe is just one of them, but there are more behind her.

RWingers have always stood their ground on abortion, and no one gave them any attention before.

[Bridget Burke]

9. "Roe" didn't have the abortion.

She had the baby & gave it up for adoption. Years later, as she was needy & trying to sober up, the antiabortion crew "adopted" her.

We've given the rightwingers lots of attention--because we had to.

[efhmc]

11. How about those that had them illegally. Are they also beset with

quilt? This story only tells one side and not clearly or well. I was in college with several girls that had abortions long before they were legal and one I know had two. Difference then, money, and that is the only difference changing this law will make now. People with money will get or supply the money for abortions. Poor women will die unnecessarily and then they won't be around to feel quilty. Make RU486 available over the counter, help young women feel good about themselves as people and not sex object and provide good scientific education about reproduction to boys and girls starting at a very young age and not just when they become sexually mature. If the number of abortions are a problem, fix the problem without taking over control of a woman's body.

[berry]

14. There are emotional costs to giving up a child for adoption, too.

The emotional costs of all the possible decisions can be addressed--the decision should certainly be as informed as possible. But I simply can't understand why the availability of choice is so hard for some people to accept. Because Roe feels a certain way, everyone else must perforce fall in line?

One thing you have to say about the RWers--they NEVER give up. And they are totally unable to imagine that the lives and experiences and needs of others may differ from their own. No wonder "multi-cultural" is a dirty word for them. Nibble by nibble, if they have their druthers, we WILL become the theocracy they want so badly. (I get so tired thinking about all the effort that is required just to keep things from getting worse....)

[efhmc]

16. Empathy is what is missing from bush as a ?human? and all of his

cohorts. There is a simple solution to not having abortions. Don't freaking have one. Edited to add: Even better, if you don't want to get pregnant, practise birth control.

[marie123]

21. that is so not true

I think diversity is what America is all about. what I have learned from others in regards to their culture, I so treasure! I love being in an environment with others so different than me.

My feelings for abortion have never changed. I was a poor woman with a child on welfare at one time and the last thing the commonwealth wanted me to do was to get pregnant. I had access to all kinds of birth control. The pill was free to me at that time. Unfortunately for me and only for me, I do not believe in birth control.

I took control of my body. I made myself responsible for myself and my body and I was working and married before I had my second son. I did have sex too.

Could I have had an accident and gotten pregnant? yes, what would I have done, I would have had two children sooner and the commonwealth could have kissed my ass. To those who wanted to abort in the first trimester that was their decision and I respected it.

I do and always have believed that a woman has the right to choose, but not in the 8 month or 6 month. I am glad the fetus has rights now. I am not talking about the embryo.

of course your only argument to this is what happens if the mother is going to die if she doesn't terminate her pregnancy. I have not read the bill, but I would be willing to bet, that if a mother was going to die because of her pregnancy the appropriate Dr's would terminate her pregnancy.

[efhmc]

25. Good for you for taking control of your own body. You made your

choices but you want the government to have the right to make choices for others. I was a virgin when I married, amd a widow now and have had sex with one man my whole life and that is probably the way I will finsh up my life. That was my choice. I have 2 daughters, one of whom is not married and the other just had a baby last month and I can tell you that we all would have gone to jail to prevent her death in case of "her or the baby" and by the way that was the only late term abortion that was able to be done legally until the bushies twisted the law to their own rw agenda. I have worked with poor families where wives were repeated raped by their husbands to keep them pregnant. We provided the money for abortions for several of them and our case manager (a hard core Catholic)spearheaded those funding. Again, someone else was using a woman's body to control her. I respect your thoughts and ideas but I think that your way seems to be the only thought you accept and that is your right but I feel that neither of us and especially the government has the right to make others do what we think is right.

[FizzFuzz]

43. ummmm

...I have never yet met a woman suffering from emotional backlash at having had an abortion.

Everyone I met who went through it had thought it out fully, was aware of the necessity for it at that time in her life, and maintained unending gratitude and relief at having been able to have one, rather than being forced into raising a child she didnt want!!!

The repercussions of being forced to have an unwanted, even trauma-linked child are INESTIMABLE!

I know a man who was born as the product of a rape (his mother's brother). His emotional problems have finally institutionalized him. And I am mentioning only the tip of that family's iceberg.

[FizzFuzz]

45. Abortion and emotional backlash

---I'm reposting this because it got buried under the subject title "ummm". I didn't want some comments I feel are important to get lost. Sorry if I'm being presumptuous.---

...I have never yet met a woman suffering from emotional backlash at having had an abortion.

Everyone I met who went through it had thought it out fully, was aware of the necessity for it at that time in her life, and maintained unending gratitude and relief at having been able to have one, rather than being forced into raising a child she didnt want!!!

The repercussions of being forced to have an unwanted, even trauma-linked child are INESTIMABLE!

I know a man who was born as the product of a rape (his mother's brother). His emotional problems have finally institutionalized him. And I am mentioning only the tip of that family's iceberg.

[radwriter0555]

31. WAG THE WOMB

yet another topic to distract from the crimes of the bush cabal.

[seemslikeadream]

3. vote

[randr]

4. Look at the date on the article

I think I saw that the court has turned this down just the other day.

[Mick Knox]

24. What happened the other other day...

The Court decided to cancel oral arguments from "Roe" .. and instead decided to hear written arguments.. the issue at hand in the soon to come arguments was whether they would revisit the case...

[Qanisqineq]

5. What is this world coming to?

That's the last straw, if it gets overturned, I'm moving.
:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[displacedtexan]

6. Well off women have always had abortions and access to...

the precautionary arts. Nothing would change for them if Roe v Wade were overturned.

Sadly, most freepers have no idea that only the poor will suffer if the fascists succeed.

[nostamj]

8. there was a major step towards overturning R v. W yesterday

The House passed a bill that is a huge step towards treating the fetus as a 'person'

[radwriter0555]

10. UGH, next it's WAG THE WOMB???

They're trotting out ALLLLLLLLL the big distractors, aren't they!

one right after the other!

[Demonaut]

12. kick

[Bronco69]

13. Done!

* 5233 responses


Yes 67%

No 33%

[efhmc]

15. I have nothing but contempt for those that used the law when they needed

it and now want it gone. What slimy hypocrites.

[oldleftguy]

17. The flip side of the term...

...activeist judges. :puke:

[efhmc]

18. When, oh when, are we going to stop those freaks that have taken over

our government?????

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

19. Voted No

5310 votes
67% - yes
33% - no

[jansu]

20. Thank goodness we still live in a Constitutional Republic where

Mob Rule doesn't make it so.....yet! This is why we must get all the Democrats into all the offices that we can. We must make sure that the Supreme Court Justices, which most of them are very old, are not replaced by this criminal gang that is there now! Work on every race...donate money to all the candidates who are running against a Republican for any seat in Congress!

[FizzFuzz]

23. I saw an aritcle the other day, hidden on page 8 of our local newspaper,

"Peterson Case Boosts Proposal on Fetal Rights". So the house is now in debate (or already passed?), making it a federal crime to injure or kill a fetus in any stage of development-- Within or without the context of an attack upon the woman.
This article was opposite the continuation of a front page story on Bush's gay-hate amendment.
goddam christofascists they're like cockroaches; make some headway in one place, they show up somewhere else.:mad: I just wish something would happen for women's issues like it did with the anti-gay policy. See, Bush did us a great favor, declaring the bigotry in such a clear manner that even the "average amerikan" in front of FoxTV grokking reality shows and ads can't miss it. This is looking like it will be very much to our good. A very smart but pro-conservative woman I know is changing her outlook because of it (she supports Bush and the Right for anti-arab reasons). I just wish something as unequivocal would happen to highlight the woman-hate that's going on. I don't want to end up living out "The Handmaid's Tale". I'm afraid they'll make sure to be even more quiet about their agenda now.

[newyawker99]

35. Hi FizzFuzz!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[FizzFuzz]

42. thanks!

Thanks you!! Welcome most appreciated!

[jansu]

41. Welcome to DU.....Good post! I agree that it is a good thing....

we can fight them on all fronts. The more they try to take away rights, and push their agenda, the more stupid they look! Already the polls on gay marriage are changing around the country. More in favor all the time!

[Zinfandel]

22. I don't think the republicans really want to completely overturn

Roe vs Wade.

Even though most all pro choice defenders insisted otherwise...

In light of what going on now, my position has only been strongly
reinforced...since the republicans have also gained majority control of the senate.

If the republicans really wanted to overturn Roe vs. Wade,
they have the power to do so. And since the last elections, in 2002,
they have complete power to do so.

A bill could of been written at any time in the last year in a half to overturn Roe vs. Wade and make abortion illegal. The republican house has the majority to pass it, as do the republicans in the senate ( with VP Cheney always available to cast the deciding vote if necessary.) Bush as president says he'd sign it...and we have already seen what the conservative majority on the Supreme Court can and will do to support the right wing agenda.

So why is abortion still legal?

Again, as I stated...the republicans will do everything to legislate
abortions to almost nil in some areas around the country as well as making it harder and harder for women to get an abortions, especially in the "red" parts of the country.(even though it is a woman's right to choose and is legal everywhere in this country.)

However, NOTHING gets the republican religious right troops going and fired up like abortion. These same people send tons and tons of money to the republicans when "abortion" is even mentioned, they get their grass roots organization going full blast to support the republicans, the twenty or twenty-five million zealots become enraged voters, they recruit and start voter drives...there's common ground to tie this base together and keep it together for the republicans, which of course...abortion being legal.

Now what slimy republican in his "right" mind would want to lose or purposely get rid of all that?

This is instant money, grass roots, tens of millions of voters and recruiters for the republican party, at the mere mention of abortion, during an election year (or any time for that matter.) The republicans will always be able to point to "godless" states like CA & NY as liberal places where Planned Parenthood is allow to run wild and "kill babies".

These same voter will support anything thing their right wing
candidate says or does, as long as he's against abortion, Even to the extend of knowing that this same candidate is taking money directly out of their own pockets, by way of policy and agenda.

But it's okay with the twenty-five million plus anti-abortion crazies, because their candidate is against abortion and prays to god each day, (might even be the real son of god, who knows?)

Now look deep, why in the hell would the lying, sick, greedy republicans voluntarily want to give all this up?

They won't! Abortion is another of their dirty little republican secrets.

[proud patriot]

26. Ack ! .... one woman one vote

Glad to help :hi:

[ironflange]

27. Start investing in wire coat hanger manufacturers

Business is likely to pick up soon.

[reservoir dogs]

28. how did the poll get so screwy

I thought most people were for abortion.

[TacticalPeek]

29. y-65 n-35 5591 n/t

[no_hypocrisy]

30. 65% for overturning, 35% against. I can only hope the voters didn't

understand what "overturn" means and imagined they were supporting Roe v. Wade.

[alfredo]

32. Folks, it is not about abortion, it is about the right to privacy.

Repugs don't give a shit about the fetus, they want to have total access to our personal lives. they were appalled that the Roe V Wade said that there is an implicit right to privacy in the constitution. They use Griswold V Conn. as precedence. The new Dominionist law, H.R. 3799 I believe outlaws using precedence, restricting judges to using only US constitutional law, or English common law.

Go read the thread about the Dominionist.

This is just one with a link to a good article

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=34888

[Hammie]

34. You are absolutely right

The ruling was a rare 9th ammedment ruling ("The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. "). Where the SC found that people had a right to medical privacy that the goverment was obligated to recognize. Then they were forced to contemplate at what point, if any, the goverment had a compelling state interest in suspending that right and decided that was in the third trimester.

The great tragedy of Roe v. Wade in my opinion is that it not employed as a precedent to stike down other unconstitutional laws such as anti-drug laws, especially those used to prohibit medical marijuana.

[alfredo]

40. I started suspecting the ulterior motive when watching

supreme court hearings. Every judge appointed by Reagan and Bush did not believe there is a right to privacy in the constitution.

Some time during that time a prominent Republican came out and said their objection to Roe Vs Wade was the affirmation of a right to privacy.


My experience is in the information gathering agencies of the government, so I am very concerned about our right to privacy.

Now, there is no hope for any of us to keep our lives private if the government or some business wants to know everything about us. The right to privacy is nearly meaningless now, but what little we have, we should hold on for dear life.

Even if you are against abortion, support Roe V Wade because it is about much more than abortion.

[neoteric lefty]

33. KICK

this poll has been freep'ed

[havocmom]

36. So how many got the "Unable to record your vote" message I got?

Hmmmmm? only taking votes from selected participants?

[Ilsa]

39. It took several attempts to record my vote.

I don't trust this one at all.

[Woodstock]

44. MSNBC uses Micro$oft software, so don't expect it to work

The poll is, of course, not scientific. Most people are in favor of keeping Roe. v. Wade intact, and as someone pointed out, the Repuplicans are playing a balancing act trying to keep the right wing in line (without whom they'd lose hands down) while not scaring away women like the one below.

A woman at work who doesn't bother to keep informed about what is going on in the world of politics beyond what Rush and her boyfriend has to say about it had a signed picture of Bush in her cubicle. I was pointing out some of the shady things he's been up to and her jaw dropped. When I asked, she said very firmly, "Of course I'm pro-choice!" like nobody's going to take that away from her, and duh, did I even have to ask? The piece de la resistance was she didn't know Bush was against choice. Now, how in the world can you send for a picture of a guy and proudly display it, yet not know he's against something that is going to perhaps cost you your life one day? I think she's still in denial about him, though, because it's not just this issue we are fighting, it's a whole culture thing. She's very much into the "Whites are getting screwed in this country, and it's the Democrats' fault" mentality that the Repulicans have used so well. There's this whole, Democrats are for intellectuals / Democrats will tax us to pay for someone else to be lazy on Welfare / Democrats will take away our guns line of thought reinforced by a constant media campaign to hammer it in that we have to overcome. I think the best we can hope for with such people is that they will stay home on election day, because they won't learn the truth about Bush until the day after the election. But I fear they will vote by rote, and only find out once he's elected what a stupid thing they've done. When I imagine what his second term - without his having to worry about re-election - would be like, it's too horrible to comtemplate.

[myomy]

37. 64% to 36% (No) now.

.

[slinkerwink]

38. kick

[cosmicdot]

46. kick ~ 62% to 38%

Yes
62%

No
38%