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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 11:49 AM
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BBV: Florida Alert - Proposed changes in recount rules
Background info:
>snip<
In an interview, Kast said public notice of proposed changes to the recount rules -- including the elimination of review of ballot images -- will be posted next Friday, with 21 days for public comment.
>snip<
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1075219902519

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discussed here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1117568

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I sent an e-mail to the Florida Division of Elections requesting info on where the proposed changes are posted and what form of public comment is acceptable.


Here's the response. Since the proposed changes were published in the 02/13 issue, with 21 days allowed for public comment, it needs immediate attention.

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The notice is published in the Florida Administrative Weekly. It was
published in the February 13, 2004 issue, Volume 30, No. 7. The
Florida Administrative Weekly can be accessed through our website at
http://faw.dos.state.fl.us.
If you wish to submit a public comment, please do so in writing. Comments are requested
to be submitted via a letter or an e-mail.
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The PDF document for 02/13/04 is 119 pages long. Near as I can tell, the proposed changes are on pages 74-77. Could they make this any more difficult? :crazy:

I'm checking it out now, but don't know how much time I can devote to it. Any help would be appreciated.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 01:04 PM
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1. Changing the rules so they don't break the law-
Page 77-

(7) When a manual recount is ordered and touchscreen ballots are used, no manual recount of undervotes and overvotes cast on a touchscreen system shall be conducted since these machines do not allow a voter to cast an overvote and since a review of undervotes cannot result in a determination of voter intent as required by Section 102.166(5), F.S. In this case, the results of the machine recount conducted pursuant to (5)(c) shall be the official totals for the touchscreen ballots.


So, will there be a disclaimer posted on each machine that it is solely for entertainment purposes only?

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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 03:54 PM
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2. Florida- Wake Up Here- More Voting Rights to be Taken Away
Edited on Sat Feb-28-04 04:20 PM by RedEagle
Mass objection to this needs to be launched NOW, on all quarters.

Follow the instructions here, then let your:

State senators and representatives
County election officials
County counci officils

...know how you feel about this.

Turn up the heat and keep it on until they back down.

Then keep watching for them to slip this in a back door somewhere.

And if this only pertains to touch screens, then those who vote on them are being subjected to discrimination, because their votes can never be recounted.

It's a absolute lie that these machines don't produce undervotes or overvotes, there are documented examples of that plus machines adding voters.

Think of the 134 or 137 "undervotes" for that one position in Florida that Wexler sued on. There is your prime example of the fact these machines do produce undervotes and way way too many.

Act now!
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 04:55 PM
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3. One of the parts that scares me the most.....
.....is the language that was added here,

(j)(m) Representatives and observers must not interfere
with or disturb the recount in any way. If the conduct of the
representatives or observers impedes the recount process, the
recount will stop until the situation is corrected. If the
disturbance continues, upon majority vote of the canvassing
board, the persons causing the disturbance shall be removed
from the premises by the law enforcement officer charged with
maintaining order at the recount.


No language was added to keep a repeat of the 2000 recount shutdown by paid government employees who crossed state lines at government expense to interfere with an election. Instead, a broadly worded statement allowing the local canvassing board to remove the "representatives or observers" who are there legally if they 'impede' the recount!
Since there are no definitions of what can be construed as 'impeding' the recount, it appears it's up to the board to decide if a challenge to what is taking place is legitimate or not and gives them the power to have legitimate "representatives or observers" removed by law enforcement. :scared:

People of Florida, WAKE UP! :evilfrown:



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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 06:52 PM
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5. Back up- Get Going Florida!
Kick!
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 12:15 AM
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8. Are they going to throw out a Democratic counter who sees....
fraud in the counting and objects...as "impeding the recount"?
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 06:52 PM
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4. Please help keep this kicked for Florida!
Unless you don't think Florida makes a difference in Presidential elections! :evilgrin:

:kick:
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 12:10 AM
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6. Kick for Florida
C'mon guys, can't let Jeb and the Harris clone get their way all the time.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 12:12 AM
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7. Do you even have to read it to know...it ain't good..if they ..
want it.
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