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Heyo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 01:47 PM Original message |
One reason why I believe there's a creator... |
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seventhson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. I agree. See Dr. Ernest Sternglass's "Before the Big Bang" |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
26. so your concept of God is |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
2. Logical fallacy - |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. That's the whole problem |
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kalian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
3. Hmm... |
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seventhson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. The CREATOR just IS! Always! |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. So the creator was created out of nothing |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Well, something has to be |
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kcwayne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
76. Go out into the wilderness |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 07:05 AM Response to Reply #18 |
116. Perhaps there was never .. |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 07:08 AM Response to Reply #14 |
117. Popeye just 'is' .. |
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flaminbats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
64. the waiter did.... |
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waterman (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
4. That's an awfully deep post for a Satuday afternoon. But a good one. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
5. it's just the idea that there is an all-knowing critter overseeing |
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salinen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
6. My religion states |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
7. How does one explain/comprehend the infinite in finite terms? |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
8. The rules of cause and effect break down at a quantum level, |
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Heyo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
45. Good post.. |
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Ysabel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
10. I'm sorry... |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
11. Here's how it works: |
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Sophree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
44. I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing religious philosophy. |
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rustydog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
12. You could be right... |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
13. What does Bertrand Russell say ?? .. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:54 PM Response to Reply #13 |
65. Score another one for Russell - n/t |
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Toronto Ron (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
16. I'm no physics expert, but: |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. The concept of causality is central to physics; |
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flaminbats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
71. I support the infinite dominos theory.... |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
17. Good luck to you |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
19. Why do you think there is only one universe? |
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OnceBlind (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I think |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Okay I agree ~ Is one person's faith more "correct" than another's? |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Yes, but I don't believe it is possible to prove |
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OnceBlind (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Well, I imagine that somewhere, somehow.... |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:41 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Right and wrong are conceptual |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I thought |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 08:28 AM Response to Reply #34 |
119. I believe God can only be found within ~ so yes it is a personal |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:41 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Perfect sense. |
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Nobody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:41 PM Response to Reply #20 |
49. Faith vs evidence |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
21. Its a dead end |
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BillZBubb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
24. Believe what you want, but your argument has no merit. |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:33 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Before invoking Occam's razor |
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BillZBubb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Not really |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. I still think |
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Sophree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:59 PM Response to Reply #39 |
53. Exactly- it's incomprehensible. |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:03 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. It sure is |
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BillZBubb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:02 PM Response to Reply #39 |
54. Hmmm... |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:19 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Well, if you want to put it that way |
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thebigidea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
25. ... |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
28. there might be an intelligent design but he or she doesn't care |
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OnceBlind (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. It seems like |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. no, I think whoever it was designed the universe, but I don't think |
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OnceBlind (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Hypothetically speaking here, |
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Heyo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:34 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. I doubt that.... |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:43 PM Response to Reply #48 |
84. =) ding! |
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OnceBlind (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 08:13 PM Response to Reply #84 |
103. I am having alot of trouble making sense |
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jus_the_facts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
38. THE eternal paradox.... |
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Sophree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
40. This is the question that eventually affirmed my faith in God. |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
41. Logical fallacy. |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:24 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. But not accepting a God does not remove the fallacy |
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warrior1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:25 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. hmmm |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:28 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. He's said more intelligent things than that. n/t |
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Heyo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:32 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. The very term God |
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Malva Zebrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:48 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. could be a frog for all we know |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:52 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. That's why some people call it transcendental |
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Malva Zebrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:35 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. My point is that if it is described by a human being then it is not |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:51 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. That's why I have often referred to it as The Truth |
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Malva Zebrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:07 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. and that it has no cause, in your "truth" although that concept is not |
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reprobate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:15 PM Response to Reply #41 |
75. And, more to the point, WHY? |
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mike1963 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
52. It's turtles all the way down... |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:56 PM Response to Reply #52 |
67. Can't fool me |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
56. Flaws with this logic |
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Heyo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:15 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Cool... |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:23 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. as if human beings will ever know why the Universe exists |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:14 PM Response to Reply #59 |
90. There is a theory which states |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:39 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. The English seriously mistake the portent behind cricket |
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Sophree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:53 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. And- |
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Sophree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:40 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. I LOVE Douglas Adams!!! |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
61. "Prime Mover" argument - Aristotle would be miffed |
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Ksec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
62. Go out in a feild on a clear night |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:55 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. That diminishes the wonder for me |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:59 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. For me the most wondrous thing |
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Sophree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:50 PM Response to Reply #66 |
85. That's not exactly how I'd look at it. |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:00 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Also mosquitoes |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:07 PM Response to Reply #62 |
73. what i do know |
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Malva Zebrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
78. a sense of awe and beauty does not necessaril for me mean |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:33 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. this is merely my take on it |
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kcwayne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
79. Go out into the wilderness |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:38 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. The concept of brutality is a human concept |
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kcwayne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:52 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Nature may fit together in harmony |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:22 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. An interesting concept |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:31 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Wouldn't a system of plants and fungi be like that? |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:37 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. But then again |
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kcwayne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 08:21 PM Response to Reply #95 |
107. But plants are not dependant on animals consuming oxygen. |
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kcwayne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:46 PM Response to Reply #92 |
99. I am not a biologist |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:56 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Thus the creator is cruel and brutal? |
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kcwayne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 08:17 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. No, thus a creator is not a likely source of the origin |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 09:16 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. It doesn't follow |
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kcwayne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 09:36 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Well then you won't object to being brutally raped, beaten, and consumed |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:40 PM Response to Reply #62 |
83. I've done that and not come to your conclusion |
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neomonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
70. Good question, and your child will ask one day... |
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Mattforclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
74. Cause & effect |
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reprobate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
77. I'm waiting for an eyewitness to the beginning of the universe. |
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neomonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:25 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Ah believe ah can ansa that |
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jsw_81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
87. I disagree |
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DianeG5385 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:14 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. We might be an atom on some other universes breakfast table |
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DianeG5385 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
88. Why hasn't God visited or communicated |
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flaminbats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:27 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. He used to communicate using a variety of navigational flags... |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 09:54 PM Response to Reply #88 |
112. That wouldn't be a miracle...it would be just good |
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DianeG5385 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
91. I am curious though |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:46 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. me too |
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Ksec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
102. So when I gaze upward I wonder when or if it ever ends |
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DianeG5385 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 08:16 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Maybe it's beyond comprehension, so we had to invent God |
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arrogantatheist1000 (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 10:06 AM Response to Reply #104 |
120. Excellent thinking! |
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Ksec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 01:58 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. Believers |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 08:19 PM Response to Reply #102 |
106. wouldnt that be wierd? if it has a "shape" |
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Ksec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 08:25 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. so if it has a shape then you |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 07:13 AM Response to Reply #102 |
118. A vast huge expanse of nothing ... |
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Ksec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 02:00 PM Response to Reply #118 |
124. To me it sure beats the alternative. Nothing. nt |
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Heyo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
111. As far as nature bieng brutal sometimes.. |
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masshole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
113. shit happens |
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DebJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
114. Heyo, have you seen/read "The Elegant Universe" which discusses |
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Heyo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 11:11 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. Absolutely!!!! |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:21 AM Response to Reply #115 |
121. Humans are a Lazy Lot, Far too lazy to work for Peace |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
122. interesing how science is used to argue religion |
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