Why Democrats should stand for gay marriage

[Brian_Expat]

Because these people are standing against it. The link below is a photo from a counter-marriage demonstration in San Francisco. Should Democrats give into these people for "electability?"



In the other image below, people were counter-demonstrating whilst screaming about sex acts. Their children were with them, and they tried to use bullhorns to drown out the ceremonies.



These are the same people that some Democrats would have us surrender to over "electability." Well, god damn it, it's time we grew some backbone and stood up for what's right. Surely there's some JFK, MLK and FDR left in this party. Use it, damn it!

[corporatewhore]

1. like ive said bush has already got the homophobe vote why should the dems

pander to bigots

[slinkerwink]

4. oh, but they do----they waffle, and they waver because they're afraid

of what the repugs are going to do---we need to stop living in fear!

[slinkerwink]

2. there isn't any backbone left in the Dem party...

[muchacho]

3. Sometimes..

I think I may be pro-gun when I see these images.

[slinkerwink]

5. same here too----they've got to stop pushing religion on us!

[EXE619K]

6. Dems need to be Pro-gun.

Because, "The Govt. is coming to take away our rights" isn't just the GOP voters motto, any more!

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[Brian_Expat]

8. Guess you're in agreement with the folks in the pictures above. n/t

[EXE619K]

10. But, what if....

a Buddhist temple sanctioning gay marriage?

Are we gonna ban those too?

Gay Marriage....

Because, the Christian church isn't the only ones with a say about this.

[janx]

31. And some Christian churches (or ministers), in fact, perform marriage

ceremonies for gays and lesbians.

It has gotten so bad that we think all Christian churches are bigoted, but that's really not the case.

That's how crazy the situation has gotten!

[kayell]

11. Yeah, that would be the old arguement against interracial marriage

You would think people could come up with some new specious arguements by now.

[Langis]

12. Why are you on this forum?

[muchacho]

15. bugger off!

So loving people that can give a child a loving home should be kept from doing so because of an ignorant and hateful society?

Bah! go away freeper!!!

[Maat]

9. Yep. You guys are right.

I wish the Dems would get a spine with respect to this issue. I'm a Californian, and near as I can tell, the sky hasn't fallen since we let an additional 3,500 couples commit. Sorry, guys, no rioting in the streets (we know how to party in the streets, by the way). Mr. Kerrey, repeat after me, "I'm against the FMA. Urinating on the spirit of the Constitution that way is unacceptable. I'm for couples committing to each other via marriage -- no matter the genders of the two folks involved."

[janx]

30. Boy, that's true. I haven't owned a firearm in years,

but I'm reconsidering.

[Brian_Expat]

13. More anti-gay protestors in San Francisco

This group was called "Children Against Anti-Species Propaganda," and according to the web site with the photo:

C.A.A.S.P. made an appearance today. all three of them, plus their parents, who screamed over a bullhorn, "protect the children!" "keep it private!" all while graphically describing a variety of sexual acts performed with hands, mouths, and other body parts.



These are the people who John Kerry is giving in to with his coward's stance on marriage equality.

[Brian_Expat]

14. This picture needs no comments. . .

Do we really want our nominee to pander to THIS? Another protestor during the SF marriages:



Stand for what's RIGHT for once, John Kerry!

[kayell]

16. Where are those posters who think that gays and lesbians are not

subject to real discrimination or bigotry? Perhaps they could give an alternate explanation for what we're seeing.

[Brian_Expat]

17. Yes. Let them come in.

Stare into the eyes of these protestors. Stare into the abyss. Then look at me and tell me I should "wait" or "stop forcing things" and that I am "bringing the party down." :mad:

[Cha]

19. That poor idiot.

If he weren't so dangerous...I would feel sorry for him.

[ninkasi]

18. I support gay marriage...

My own feeling is that if gays marry, it in no way is a threat to me. I have the right to marry a man (I'm a hetero woman). The right that I possess should also be given to other people. Gays are not trying to make heterosexual marriage illegal, so heterosexuals should not make gay marriage illegal.

It comes down to civil rights. For the conservatives to throw in religious arguments is absurd. If their religion forbids it,fine. But my religion might OK it, and I have as much right to my religious beliefs as they do. I wish all the neocons would just stop telling everybody else how to live.

[Brian_Expat]

20. Conservatives say "what about the children?"

But look what they are teaching their own children:



Why can't the Democratic Party unequivocally come out against hatred like this once and for all, and stop pandering to it?

[slinkerwink]

21. that's my question!

[Malva Zebrina]

22. I don't care about gay marriage

I think they can have all the legal rignts anyone else can and should be allowed to have those rights legally.

Now can we please get off this and concentrate on more important stuff.

I have all confidence that gays will prevail. If they keep marrying publically in response and Bush keeps doing stupid stuff like trying to amend the Constitution, a very serious proposition, over an issue like this, then gays will prevail and I hope they do.

And further, I do not think that many people care about it. Most would probably agree that all people have equal rights, much as they do not approve of their lifestyle. Most I know are concentrating on ABB and getting him out of our house because he is an evil despicable cowardly man.

I do still have that confidence in Americans, and that may be naive hope.

[Brian_Expat]

23. You don't care, but this guy certainly does. . .

Why should I fight for your interests if you won't fight for mine? A coalition is not a one-sided deal when nut cases like this are coming at me and I am supposed to kneel down and "take one for the team."

Our party is supposed to stand for what's right, period.

[EXE619K]

24. Nothing wrong with Inter-species marriage.

As demonstrated by this guy!

[Brian_Expat]

25. Yeah, marrying a human would be inter-species for him. n/t

[kayell]

26. Whaddaya know, a hortisexual.

I doubt that tree is able to consent.

Hope he gets splinters.

[maxanne]

32. hee hee hee

he's really aspen for it.

[Malva Zebrina]

27. I am not sure what you mean

My interests are getting out of this military industrial complex mode and the murder, invasion and killing of thousands of others on no other premise but that they "may" be "thinking" of something.

IMO, everyone has rights but my energy is limited at this point to fighting for the right to life of all innocent peoples that Bush would invade and murder as he did thouse thousands in Iraq, not to mention the failure in Afganistan and not to mention the five hundred fifty or so of our troops killed--all on his lies.

To me, this loss of life, this murder of innocent people and of our troops used as pawns in the greed and plunder and Machiavellian policies of Bush is more important than gay marriage and is NOT something that should be bargained at all.

All decent people should be opposed to this war crime and murder and this should not be a barter at all.

I am for gay marriage-whatever they want to call it. I just do not see it as important as the loss of lives of innocent children due to the policies of an evil George Bush.

We do not need to "trade off" our loyalties here. All should be opposed to murder and not use any issue as a "trade off" for support.

[kayell]

28. To some of us this issue IS of extreme importance

would you have been just as condescending to blacks fighting for their rights during the '60s? Believe it or not, people then managed to both fight for civil rights and against the Viet Nam war.

And on the subject of murder, you might want to consider that there have been many, many gays and lesbians murdered or maimed throughout the years. Just a few weeks ago there was mention here of a man who got only 1 year for brutally murdering a gay man in TN, apparently because he was SO traumatized by a pass.

If your energy is too limited to take on this issue, that's OK. We all have limited resources and have to make choices. But don't come and tell me that I should make the same choices you have because YOU don't think MY civil rights are as important as other issues.

[Malva Zebrina]

34. I am on your side

but hell, gay marriage has to take second place to the murder of thousands of innocent people under the tutellage of George Bush.

It does in my book anyhow.

I will not fight it or you. It is not an issue with me right now. I cannot be as concerned over this as I am with the murder of thousands of people--their lives have been ended--yours is not. You will live to fight another gay marriage day--they will not and neither will their parents or their families.

No one is threatening your very life over this.

No child under the age of ten will be murdered , or brutally maimed over this issue as they were in Iraq.

I am on your side, but my priority right now is the illegal and immoral murder of thousands in Iraq by our bombs.

and keep it up and you may lose my interest and support altogether.

I don't care if you are gay-it means not a damn thing to me. I support your rights. I am neither overly enthused or overly not enthused.

[foreigncorrespondent]

36. It isn't a issue with you right now...

...because it doesn't affect you personally. And the dems expect the gay vote, even though there are some with the same attitude as yours, even though most are not affected by this personally

And quite frankly this will lead to possible deaths for queers. Did you not see the thread about the editor who is calling for the death of queers and our supporters? (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1172162) This is going all over the 'net. All it takes is for some loonies to see reason in her words and bang, with have a string of new Matthew Shepards happening.

Gay marriage has been brought to the forefront, now it is time for the dems to take a stand and support what is ethically right.

The in fighting between us needs to STOP. By us not standing together on this issue, we are giving the GOP exactly what they wanted.

[maxanne]

37. ah

and keep it up and you may lose my interest and support altogether.

Why bother to pretend support at all then, Marianne? Clearly your support is less than skin deep.

[maxanne]

29. I mostly agree

with you Marianne. All of these issues need to be on the table - the war, jobs, health care, homelessness, and civil rights. All of them. We cannot slink away from same sex unions by saying "it's not the right time" or "it's a wedge issue" or any other excuse - because it is a civil rights issue - right here right now. We can't afford to compromise on ANY of our issues. We've done it for 3 years now.

I say : NO MORE COMPROMISE

[janx]

35. Marianne, unfortunately, these are the people who helped

get Bush* into power in the first place--combined with some power tripping Dems, the Supreme Court, and Ralph Nader.

This is the idealist portrait of the Bush* administration.

If we allow this kind of thing to continue, we're not going to get Bush* out--or the many like him who will surely follow.

[slinkerwink]

38. exactly.

[quaker bill]

33. It has always seemed curious to me

that a party that does not wish to regulate firearms on the basis of individual freedom would choose to regulate what consenting adults do with their sexuality.

To me, love comes from the spirit. I am heterosexual, but I have seen the same sort of love I have experienced in same gendered couples. I support recognition of gay marriage.

It is time that our party stood again for equal rights under the law.

[slinkerwink]

39. let's not be wussy democrats anymore!