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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 11:00 AM
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BBV: NYT Editorial (rob-georgia and MUCH more)
Bev Harris told us this was coming.....

Rob Behler isn't saying Max Cleland's Senate seat was stolen by rigged electronic voting machines, but he insists it could have been. Mr. Behler, who helped prepare Georgia's machines for the 2002 election, says secret computer codes were installed late in the process. Votes "could have been manipulated," he says, and the election thrown to the Republican, Saxby Chambliss.

Charlie Matulka, who lost to Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska the same year, does not trust the results in his election. Most of the votes were cast on paper ballots that were scanned into computerized vote-counting machines, which happen to have been manufactured by a company Mr. Hagel used to run. Mr. Matulka, suspicious of Senator Hagel's ties to the voting machine company, demanded a hand recount of the paper ballots. Nebraska law did not allow it, he was informed. "This is the stealing of our democracy," he says.

Defeated candidates who think they were robbed are nothing new in American politics. But modern technology is creating a whole new generation of conspiracy theories — easy to imagine and, unless we're careful, impossible to disprove. The nation is rushing to adopt electronic voting, but there is a disturbing amount of evidence that, at least in its current form, it is overly vulnerable to electoral mischief.


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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 11:02 AM
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1. There is no doubt they electronically steal votes.
http://www.blackboxvoting.com

and

http://www.blackboxvoting.org

Get involved people. Our democracy is at stake.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 11:06 AM
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2. one more KEY snip
And every voter should see a paper receipt. This "voter-verified paper trail" should be retained, and made available for recounts — a low-tech check on the reliability of electronic voting. Most Americans would not do business with a bank that refused to provide written statements or A.T.M. receipts. We should be no less demanding at the polls.


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drthais Donating Member (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 11:23 AM
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3. AND
Diebold manufactures other types of machines
including ATMs
all of their OTHER machines produce paper receipts
just not the VOTING machines

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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 11:26 AM
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4. Paper receipt or Paper ballot that is a legal document
in a recount ? I like to call it a paper ballot.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 12:26 PM
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8. " I like to call it a paper ballot."
perfect. That is what you should always call it.

Your learning well grasshopper. :evilgrin:
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 12:05 PM
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5. Gov. Holden of MO
says that he will insist on a paper trail that is validated by the voter before he'll allow electronic voting in his state.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 12:06 PM
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6. Hell yes !
That should be federal law in EVERY state.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 12:11 PM
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7. funny how there's passion to "protect" marriage
but not the VOTE..........
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 12:27 PM
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9. Well holden can "insist on a paper trail "
all he wants...you should insist on a ballot.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 01:19 PM
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10. he has the concept right
"voter verified"

hopefully, the exact language will follow.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 01:26 PM
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11. My graphic from a while back :)
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 01:28 PM
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12. hey, isn't that in somebody's BOOK???

;-)

have you seen it yet? www.blackboxvoting.org
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 01:32 PM
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13. Yes.. I saw it
:)

They didn't use my other one :(

It's kind of shitty :)

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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 01:35 PM
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14. FWIW...
i will be re-doing some of the graphic files for the next printing. doing some in 'reverse' etc.

maybe we can clean up the type on this and get it in...
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 08:31 AM
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15. Kick!
:kick:
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:13 AM
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16. Back Up
Kick!
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