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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 10:23 AM
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The Spain-hate starteth
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1097870/posts

Read it and laugh. Or weep. Or :puke:. Or all of the above.

To: MJY1288
Actually when you think about it, in some ways the Spanish are even worse than the French. Even Franco's worst critics are glad that Spain pretty much stayed out of the fighting during WW II, even though they hated the Fascists. In other words, let others do the fighting for us. At least some French did fight during WW II (albeit not very well).
13 posted on 03/15/2004 2:55:18 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: kattracks
Looks like we will need some NEW signs at our "Support Our Troops" rallies, post-3/11:

UNLIKE SPAIN,
U.S.A.
WILL NEVER
SURRENDER!

14 posted on 03/15/2004 3:02:40 AM PST by RonDog
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 10:27 AM
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1. "I eat paella, and I VOTE!"
:)
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 10:27 AM
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2. Spain is more neutral than Switzerland.
The Spanish are also the most educated people, per capita, and have managed zero population growth. They are a self-maintaining country. And they fight bulls with swords, not semi-automatic guns like Americans would do it. We could learn from them.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 10:42 AM
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8. What they do to the bull...
BEFORE they fight it with swords ain't too pretty. But, bullfighting is dying a slow death over there. It seems more tourists than Spaniards go to the Corrida.

Only spent two weeks there a while ago, but I got the impression that Spaniards are the "least happy" people in Europe. Even more dour and severe than the Swiss. Dark, moody, and suspicious. Rarely smiling and even more rarely laughing-- not seeming to enjoy life very much. Perhaps the ghosts of Philip II and Franco are too difficult to exorcise.

Perhaps that's changing, or not all that bad after all. The images of millions marching in honor of the dead and praying for peace, not revenge, should be a lesson to us all.









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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 10:49 AM
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16. I do believe the ghost of the past has haunted the Spaniards, and
perhaps we are being subjected to the same kind of history that has depressed the spirit of their people.

I also look to the people marching in the street as a promising sign.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 10:52 AM
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17. Bullfighting is dying a slow death over there.
Edited on Mon Mar-15-04 10:52 AM by JCCyC
PLEASE PLEASE tell me it's true!

That would make animal-hating freepers truly blow a gasket! :bounce:

Edit: typo
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 12:44 PM
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30. That was not my impression, based on a visit last spring to Andalucia.
I fell totally in love with Spain and the Spanish people. I never had a single unpleasant exchange with a single person there. Perhaps it's different up north.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 04:00 PM
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39. What it's like in Madrid
You ask for directions to some place at a street bar, newsstand or whatever. If it's more than 3 blocks away, they'll actually stop what they're doing and walk you 2 or 3 blocks to assure you are on the right way. And start a conversation while they're at it. Happened to me quite a few times when I was there with wifey in 2000. Them again, I'm Brazilian, and everybody loves us. (modest, ain't I?)
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 04:20 PM
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47. Then it's exactly like southern Spain!
Unless they don't do that for Americans in Madrid. If not, I wonder what they'd do for Brazilians in Seville!
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 04:38 PM
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49. Locking
No sex threads :evilgrin:
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 04:41 PM
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51. You caught my drift, I see!
;)
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 02:20 PM
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37. What did you do in Spain...
...go to a pessimists convention?
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 10:29 AM
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3. Spanish Fly, Spanish Fort, Spanish Leather.
will be renamed Freedom Fly, Liberty Fort, American Leather.
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 10:43 AM
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10. on the bright side
no more accordian players playing "Lady of Spain."
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 10:30 AM
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4. FReepers are...
... sooooo predictable.

Maybe that's why they guard their porta-potties... they'd wet themselves if they ever saw a real terrorist.
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CityZen-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 12:52 PM
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32. Jeepers Freepers!
Ole, Spain! And viva la France! Citizens of the Earth who are intelligent enough to say NO, to the Bu$h*t virus!
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Rufus T. Firefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 10:38 AM
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5. Uh, Franco WAS a fascist.
So this freeper doesn't know what he's talking about. Shocker!

Spain didn't "let others do the fighting" for them; Franco stayed out because Hitler's support was vital in his winning of the Spanish Civil War. If "they" hated the fascists, then "they" hated Franco too!

Sheesh.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 10:41 AM
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6. It's amazing how stupid they are.
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monobrau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 12:41 PM
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28. I beg to differ
Edited on Mon Mar-15-04 12:41 PM by monobrau
I'd wager he does know what he's talking about. Freepers love Franco - he was a "christian" fascist. Bush is just a stepping stone on the path to the fascist fundamentalist state that they think they would like to see.
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plurality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 06:40 PM
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57. yeah...
Edited on Mon Mar-15-04 06:45 PM by plurality
and they spent the entire 30s fighting the fascists. even if the anarchists won, id be for taking a break.

edit: fuck. this is veganwitch
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 10:41 AM
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7. Had the misfortune of listening to Matt Druge last night....his take
is that the Spanish are "passionate" people by nature. This, he theorizes, explains their outrage at the bombings attributed to their government's ties to Bush.

My take on this is that it's a cheap attempt to stereotype people who are angry about being attacked due to ties with *.

I also heard on the Today Show this morning a "few thousand" people protested and ousted the old regime when in facts hundreds of millions protested. Seems the media is making every attempt to downplay the uprising in Spain.

Guess we will be boycotting Sangria next. :eyes:
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 12:06 PM
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22. Boycott ME??? WTF did I do?
Guess we will be boycotting Sangria next

Whoops! My bad.
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 12:13 PM
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23. hundreds of millions??
I think you mean hundreds of thousands...
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 04:08 PM
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43. I believe the # was close to 11 million. Let me go check... (nt)
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 10:42 AM
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9. Does this freeper know ANYTHING about the freakin' Spanish Civil War?
Edited on Mon Mar-15-04 10:48 AM by Art_from_Ark
Three years of hellish war (Guernica, anyone?) in which the fascist Franco was ultimately installed as leader in 1939 with the backing of Nazi Germany

Those freepers can sure be an ignorant bunch
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 12:20 PM
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26. Spain was Hitler's beta test.
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VTMechEngr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 10:43 AM
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11. What bothers me...
Is the total lack of support for Democratic ideals. 80% of spain was against the Iraq war. Sounds like Democracy worked to me.
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Rufus T. Firefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 10:47 AM
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14. And maybe they just decided that their government...
...put them in harm's way by backing the US, and didn't adequately defend them from the terrorist attack. You know, like how * was relaxing in Crawford instead of paying attention in August of 2001.

I thought a good comeback for the anti-Kerry "100 Days" ad would be pointing out how much of *'s first hundred days was spent on vacation.

And how about this:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/august01/2001-08-06-bush-vacation.htm
"Poll finds most are put off by Bush vacation" from a month before 9/11.
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 12:18 PM
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25. yes
And the other amazing thing is. how fast Spain went on the "s*** list". I mean there is no new Government yet.

But all the support Spain has given already is forgotten in an instant.
There seems to be no concept of decency and gratefulness.

It has to be said: the Iraq war was clearly not a successfully war against terror - Spain had to pay the price for that fact in blood.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 10:45 AM
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12. Stupid Freepers
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BabsSong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 10:46 AM
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13. Lesson to all natons listening----
You can't trust Americans. They never "love" you; they use you and if you complain they wouldn't bat an eye at starting a hate fest against you. That's the way they manifest their "Christian love". So next time around, ask yourselves if there is ever any 'winning' in kissing Bush's rear end?! This is the way these people treat their own fellow citizens. As long as they are in power, you are simply trophies to hold up if you support us and entities to be destroyed if you don't.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 10:49 AM
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15. Wait until some idiot Freeper suggests a TACO BELL boycot!
I'm glad I've already pictured this. To read it unprepared that some asshole Freeper was suggesting a boycot of MEXICAN food because of this would have made me piss my pants with hysterical laughter.

You just KNOW it's coming, don't you?
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 10:54 AM
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18. Damnit!
You warned them!! LOL!
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VTMechEngr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 11:32 AM
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19. AND THEY DID!
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 04:02 PM
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41. link not working, but if true what a fucking hoot
eom
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VTMechEngr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 08:24 PM
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59. this link should work
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 12:43 PM
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29. Taco Hell is owned by Pepsi...
Edited on Mon Mar-15-04 12:43 PM by Why
...as is KFC. Besides that, I don't need any more reasons not to go there.

My favorite reason to avoid Taco Hell is when you go to the drive-thru, you always hear this bubbly female voice asking you if you want to try one of their latest faux-Mex creations, and when you place your order, you hear some guy who sounds like Carlton the Doorman telling you to pull around to the window.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 12:47 PM
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31. I'll grant you all of that...
...but the moment some Freep suggestst the boycot, I'm stopping in if just for a cup of coffee, just to make a point.

Hey, think I'll go pick up a bottle of Mescal; show some solidarity, doncha know.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 11:34 AM
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20. Freedom fly, Freedom Harlem, Freedom Leather
When will the congresscritters start re-naming them all.

:-)
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 04:13 PM
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44. Don't forget Freedom Rice!
And the Freedom language. Don't forget that.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 04:16 PM
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45. And all those people from Latin America (except Brazil)
Will they be called Freedomics now?
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 12:04 PM
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21. the interesting part to this
that I haven't seen anyone comment on, is that it means that people do hold their governments responsible for not keeping them safe. Does this mena that, god forbid, if there were to be another attack in the US or against US interests directly before the election, that it might not help the cabal stay in power? Conventional wisdom is that a terror attack helps Bush, but will it? interesting.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 12:16 PM
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24. conventional wisdom
I still don't understand how the 9/11 attacks helped Bush. The logic should be the same: failure to keep the citizens safe = bad for Bush.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 12:35 PM
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27. Because some idiots think Bush has protected us since then.
Edited on Mon Mar-15-04 12:36 PM by Mountainman
Are we safer since 9/11? Did Capturing Saddam make us safer? Did Saddam have anything to do with 9/11?

Bush backers say yes to all of these.

Of course the real answer to all of these is a resounding NO!
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 12:52 PM
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33. Racist crap
Because there's a difference of opinion on an apparent change in government policy, the response is to paint the whole people (the same who conveniently were “admired” when Aznar went along with the “Coalition of the Willing”) with a pejorative brush?

Racists.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 01:09 PM
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34. They seem to equate backbone with agreeing with bash on every level
Unfortuneately, none of these right wing chicenhawks mention the fact that bash gives the real terrorists (SaudiArabia) a free ride. I just love how they act all macho while allowing the real enemy to flourish . They are tough enough to beat up on a broken down old man with a starving military in Iraq though.

Only the RW Fascists can ignore the true problem and pretend they are the party that is strong on defense.

Meanwhile the Dems have had great success in the defense department while the repubs are bogged down because of crappy planning and execution of military.
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 01:18 PM
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35. Another country freepers won't be visiting
So, that leaves.....what? Cameroon and Uzbekistan as possible vacation destinations?

You think I'm kidding -- my freeper cousin canceled his honeymoon in France when they refused to kiss *'s ass and join our war. Idiots.
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dawn Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 01:24 PM
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36. Good! Then people like us won't have to deal with them when we visit!
:) Not like freepers travel much, anyway.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 03:55 PM
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38. So next time I visit Spain
Edited on Mon Mar-15-04 03:55 PM by JCCyC
Any American I find there is likely to be a liberal? Schweeeet! :toast:

Edit: caps
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 04:02 PM
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40. LOL!
Always look for that silver lining :-) It still amazes me though to hear them say these kinds of things. I can't tell you the number of repuke co-workers who said that France and Germany "would pay" for not supporting us by suffering from loss of tourism. I always responded that this was a good thing because any Americans visiting those countries now would not be the "ugly" kind.

Why would freepers want to go to Spain/France/Germany anyway? They don't speak English, and if you want good ethnic food, there's always Taco Bell/French Fries/Weinerschnitzel to take care of those cravings.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 04:07 PM
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42. Sounds like Congress better pass a resolution right away making it
Freedom Rice, and Freedom omelets. They really don't have anything better to do since all they do now is rubber stamp the Cabal's Proposals.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 04:18 PM
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46. so are they freedom onions now
instead of spanish onions?

liberty harlem as opposed to spanish harlem?

oh my, I'm soooo confused... is there a new bush* dictionary out so we all know what words we can't say?

Will George Carlin come out with a new list of words that we can't say on tv or elsewhere?

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Offshore Bush Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 04:30 PM
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48. I love hearing Freepers
rant and accuse the Spanish of being worse than the proverbial "surrender monkeys" that they would a year ago would have supported the nuking of.
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IconoclastIlene Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 04:41 PM
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50. Oh Yeah...from the folks who gave us the Inquisition and Torquemada
I should expect logical thinking?
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 05:06 PM
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52. Nobody expects the Freedom Inquisition!
Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the GW Bush.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.



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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 05:35 PM
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54. I think I just wet myself laughing!!
Thanks for that!
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IconoclastIlene Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 06:31 PM
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55. Glad to bring a smile
or a chuckle
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IconoclastIlene Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 06:35 PM
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56. Well, they never did lift the articles of the Inquisition
I mean, I don't mean to be nasty; just stating what is...
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 05:32 PM
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53. Those dastardly Spaniards!
How long until our Great Republican Congress outlaws Spanish restaurants and cuts all funding for Spanish languages courses? How long until Spanish omelets are renamed Freedom omelets? :eyes:
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 06:40 PM
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58. LOL
*laughs until he chokes* Well, I suppose it was to be expected. After all, they suck if they don't like us, right? :wtf:
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