Bush IS planning a draft

[ck4829]

I heard about it on an earlier post. I am scared because I'm of Military age. Check out Bush Draft and check this out
S.89
Title: A bill to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Hollings, Ernest F. (introduced 1/7/2003) Cosponsors: (none)
Related Bills: H.R.163
Latest Major Action: 1/7/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services

This is scary, do Bush and friends have any other fascist moves up their sleeves?

[Bush_Sucks]

1. Of course...

But I may be a little bias...;-)

[bluestateguy]

2. Draft

Hollings is retiring this year.

Rangel's bill was just a political statement to up opposition to the Iraq War. The Bush team will not push for the Rangel bill. They will push for a draft that excludes women (the Dr. Laura types never liked the idea of women in the military)and gives lots of exemptions for rich frat boys.

When the draft comes it will be easy to evade if you are willing to stand up for your beliefs and convictions. Yes, you may have to flee the country or serve in jail (likely a minimum security Club Fed), but they can't make you fight a war.

[Dems Will Win]

14. They don't need any legislation, the DRAFT is already in place

All that is needed is a "Trigger Resolution" and conscription is re-authorized. THese Dem bills are a way to draw attention and will never be passed.

Keep your eye on the prize. Bush is right now spending $28 mil to reduce DRAFT activation time down to just 75 days and is gearing up Alternative Service and the Special Skills DRAFT for the first time!

[PaDUer]

24. Why isn't Kerry

talking about this now? Why is this a mute topic when it's very real? This needs to be on the front burner NOW.

[teach1st]

3. Some of the sponsors are among the most liberal in the House

House: http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR00163:@@@L&summ2=m&

Rep Abercrombie, Neil - 1/7/2003
Rep Brown, Corrine - 1/28/2003
Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy - 1/28/2003
Rep Conyers, John, Jr. - 1/7/2003
Rep Cummings, Elijah E. - 1/28/2003
Rep Hastings, Alcee L. - 1/28/2003
Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila - 1/28/2003
Rep Lewis, John - 1/7/2003
Rep McDermott, Jim - 1/7/2003
Rep Moran, James P. - 1/28/2003
Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes - 1/28/2003
Rep Stark, Fortney Pete - 1/7/2003
Rep Velazquez, Nydia M. - 1/28/2003

[SheilaT]

4. The theory is that

if a draft is proposed by liberal Democrats, then people will understand it's not a good idea.

The reality is, that to maintain troop strength around the world, and especially if the U.S. invades a few more countries, there's no way around having a draft.

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if late summer/early fall there's a failed (or successful, depending on which they think would work better to their ends) terrorist attack on U.S. soil, the media beats the war drums loudly, and "everyone" starts calling for a draft. If that's the case, it'll happen.

[VolcanoJen]

5. A "selective, objective-based" draft is coming

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Welcome to the US Army!!!

Consider yourself to be gifted in the ways of the Internet, or computer code, or anything IS-related? just as your government implored you?

Welcome to the US Army!!

Otherwise, welcome to India!!!!! LEAVE NO PROGRAMER BEHIND.

Good times ahead... and we're happy to welcome you aboard!!!

:puke:

[terisel]

6. There is a Republican Draft Bill Also

The Republican bill is called the Universal Military Training and Service Act. It was introduced by Nick Smith R-Michigan and by C. Weldon, R-Pa. I haven't read it and I don't know anything about them.

Long-term wars probably require some kind of draft. Unless unemployment is so high tons of people volunteer.

There was a draft in WWII and a draft in Korea and a draft in Vietnam.

Five bases are going to be in Iraq alone.

Soon the only people working may actually be working for the government-either corporations with government contracts or people in military. That will be weird.

[Mari333]

7. There will be a draft. Moms, dads, plan to get your kids out.

and let everyone know. There will be a draft. Yesterday a member of selective service came on said he's been told its 8-10 months away.
Be ready. Mortgage your home if you have to, get monies to send your kids out of the country. This could happen even if Kerry gets in, but for SURE if Bush gets in.
My son spoke with a number of military bigwigs at a base where he says the scuttlebutt is a draft. Always listen to scuttlebutt in the military.
Its going to happen, but for sure if Bush gets in.
and for gods sake let everyone with draft age kids know about it.
Iraq is lost, its going to get worse.
The never ending war is upon us. Bush has created thousands of new Al Queda cells with his PNAC attack on Iraq.
Dont be in denial.
I was, and my kid was taken. They are sending back any warm body they can now, and they dont care how bad the kids are when they come home..they just send them back.
http://www.bringthemhomenow.com

[JohnyCanuck]

8. Watch this CBC presentation on US armed forces recruiting tactics.

From the lengths they are having to go to in order to fill their recruitment quotas, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the draft reintroduced.
The presentation is in Real Player format.

http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/media/040210_army.ram

[LunaC]

9. Smirk promised to create millions of new jobs

He just neglected to mention that they would be part of the Armed Services.

[mac1000a]

10. I just read a Newsweek article

that said, "Young people think Nader Rocks!" (Why do they always have to make young voters sound stupid?) I wonder how rockin' Nader would seem to them if they knew that any support they give to him might mean an all expense paid vacation to Iraq next year?

[Mari333]

11. When the draft is implemented believe me

the populace will wake up.
It has to affect them, it seems, or they dont care. The young people in this country will have a major wake up call.
My oldest son already knows, he will get my other 2 sons out of the country. Back up plan.
In the meantime, they have my husbands son, my stepson. Its going to get uglier thanks to Bush and PNAC.
They want your kids, and you cant stop them unless you know how to get them out of here.
tell everyone you know.
People need to know.

[Dems Will Win]

13. DRAFT Timeline -- First Lottery of 20 year-olds could be June 15, 2005!

Let's tell them this year. BUSH '04 = DRAFT '05

The following timeline gives you the main events indicating the resumption of the military draft. According to this, the draft will be needed to maintain troop levels in Iraq past March 2005, barring double deployments. $28 million is allocated by the Selective Service to reduce activation time from the current 8 months to 75 days by March 31, 2005. If Bush asks Congress on April 1, 2005 to reinstate conscription, the first Draft Lottery could be June 15, 2005. A Medical Draft and a new Special Skills Draft would also be activated automatically.

Impending Draft Timeline


1994 – The Grand Chessboard by Zbignew Brzezinski compares Central Asia to a chess game with Russia and China--which must eventually result in an American “win”. Control of the world’s oil supply and dominance in the 21st Century is at stake, as cheap oil ends in the 2010s. Noting that the Central Asian Republics are infinitely more important than any other region--save the Mideast--because “an enormous concentration of natural gas and oil reserves is located in the region, in addition to important minerals, including gold… Any successful American policy must focus on Eurasia as a whole and be guided by a Geostrategic design…That puts a premium on maneuver and manipulation in order to prevent the emergence of a hostile coalition that could eventually seek to challenge America's primacy…"

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0465027261/102-5321285-9753763?v=glance



1990s – “Project For A New American Century” and other right-wing organizations develop strategy for a “uni-polar world” ruled by the United States with many US bases in the Mideast and Central Asia. Invading Iraq and controlling the world’s oil supply becomes the Neo-Con manifesto.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/DailyNews/pnac_030310.html

http://www.presentdanger.org/pdf/frontier/1031neocon.pdf

Article by Will Pitt: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf



September 11, 2001 – The 9-11 Attack. A “War on Terror” is begun by Bush with the agreement of the Congress. In the mission of the Selective Service, it is stated that the Volunteer Army is only intended for peacetime. In case of war, the nation may turn to the Selective Service. That is why it must always be kept as an option, even if dormant.



January 8, 2002 - On January 8, 2002, President Bush signed the No Child Left Behind Act, supposedly to provide accountability education policies. Yet hidden within the 670-page piece of legislation is Section 9528: “…each local educational agency receiving assistance under this Act shall provide, on a request made by military recruiters or an institution of higher education, access to secondary school students names, addresses, and telephone listings.” All schools must comply with this unfunded mandate or they lose their federal funding. This amounts to legislated blackmail for student names. The act also says: “A secondary school student or the parent of the student may request that the student’s name, address, and telephone listing … not be released without prior written parental consent, and the local educational agency or private school shall notify parents of the option to make a request and shall comply with any request.”

http://www.ed.gov/policy/elsec/leg/esea02/index.html



Early 2003 - Iraq War, 250,000 out of 480,000 active-duty troops deployed, conquer Iraq within a few weeks. Yet the U.S. has no plan ready for reconstruction or democracy and Iraqis, happy at liberation from Saddam, grow sour at the slow pace, the continued lack of electricity and fuel and the isolated civil control of the CPA. Garner soon replaced by Bremer who is no better at speeding up Reconstruction, and the resistance grows with disaffected Iraqis, old regrouped Baathists and new foreign fighters. Except for the British, substantial foreign troops are impossible, given Bush’s desire to keep total control of Iraq. The lack of diplomacy, planning and incompetence adds years to the time high US troop levels will be needed to maintain control of Iraq and rebuild and exploit its oilfields.



Summer 2003 – Philadelphia Draft Board members “unexpectedly” told to recruit new members for Board vacancies during Summer training. (from Nov. 3 Salon article)

http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2003/11/03/draft/index_np.html



July 25, 2003 – World Net Daily article on plans for the medical draft (HCPDS). System could draft up to 80,000 doctors, nurses and specialists, men and women.

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33754



September 3, 2003 – The Congressional Budget Office warns that “the Army lacks sufficient active-duty forces to maintain its current level of nearly 150,000 troops in Iraq beyond next spring (march 2004). "The Army does not have enough active-duty component forces to simultaneously maintain the occupation at its current size, limit deployments to one year, and sustain all of its other commitments" http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A16689-2003Sep2?language=printer



September 23, 2003 – Draft Board Recruitment ad appears on Defense.Link site. First public ad for Draft Boards in decades. Page scrubbed within a few days of being noticed by some media in early November. Spokesman says there is “no plan” to reinstate draft, which must be authorized by Congress. http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/sss092203.html

http://www.thememoryhole.org/mil/draft-boards.htm



October 16, 2003 – Donald Rumsfeld memo leaks, saying Iraq “will be a long, hard slog”. www.usatoday.com/news/washington/ executive/rumsfeld-memo.htm



Nov. 4, 2003 – NY Times article on Army Honor Guard Company B being sent to MidEast, revealing how thin troops are being stretched to cover the 2004-2005 rotation.

http://villagenews.weblogger.com/stories/storyReader$10007



Nov. 5, 2003 – Toronto Star article quotes Ned Lebow “This (draft board ad) is significant”, Lebow, a presidential scholar at Dartmouth College in New Hampshire and former professor of strategy at the National War College in Washington, adds, "What the department of defence is doing is creating the infrastructure to make the draft a viable option should the administration wish to go this route." http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1068073289288&call_pageid=968332188854



Nov. 5, 2003 – Guardian article on Draft Board ad. SSS spokesman Amon said 80% of 11,000 Draft Board slots are vacant. (2,000 local boards, over 8,000 empty seats) http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1077906,00.html



Nov. 12, 2003 – “If President Bush is re-elected, it is likely that he will reinstate the draft. The war on terrorism will not end in Iraq, but instead will proceed into countries like Syria and Iran," said Daniel Ellsberg, of Pentagon Papers fame. http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/11122003/news/60246.htm



November, 2003 – Selective Service 2004 “Performance Plan” summarizes how $28 million will be allocated in 2004 to reduce draft activation time from current 8 months to just 75 days. Nation-wide Readiness Exercises, testing the Draft Lottery and examination system, as well as gearing up the Medical Draft (3.4 million doctors and nurses, men and women age 20-44 are eligible). Ominously, the Alternative Service delivery system for Conscientious Objectors is readied for the first time in decades, with the SSS being funded to compile lists of available Alternative Service jobs for those who win non-military CO status. All systems will be pushed to reach 95% readiness during 2004.

http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html



Nov. 23, 2003 – Boston Globe article: “Army Reserve battling an exodus
War is seen as drain on ranks. The US Army Reserve fell short of its reenlistment goals this fiscal year, underscoring Pentagon fears that the protracted conflict in Iraq could cause a crippling exodus from the armed services.”
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2003/11/23/army_reserve_battling_an_exodus/



Nov. 24, 2003 – NY Times: Army plans for 100,000 troops until 2006 in Iraq.

http://www.iht.com/articles/118775.html



Nov. 26, 2003 – Ron Paul (R-TX) says “Draft likely to be reinstated”. http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul144.html



December, 2003 - Draft Board Recruitment ad re-appears on the Selective Service Home Page with 2 new sentences stressing the ad has “NO connection” to Iraq. (recently scrubbed and replaced with a NO DRAFT message) http://www.sss.gov



Dec. 4, 2003 – Ted Rall predicts Bush will “have to bring back the draft.” Notes 8,000 empty Draft Board seats to be filled by Spring 2005. Wonders about a “February (2005) Surprise” if Bush is re-elected. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=127&ncid=742&e=7&u=/uclicktext/20031204/cm_ucru/acolddraft



December 22, 2003 – In an article entitled “Beware of Attempts to Revive Military Draft,” Newsday reports that “the Center on Conscience and War… executive director, J. E. McNeil… has heard of rumblings, from the Republican side of the aisle in Congress, about a draft after the election”. The opinion piece worries whether a revived draft “would give this war-without-end presidency an endless source of warm bodies to pursue its cowboy foreign policy.” Author Keeler also wonders about a “February (2005) Surprise”.

http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-vpkee223594883dec22,0,6735184.story?coll=ny-viewpoints-headlines



December, 2003 - The Selective Service Register magazine talks about the new Special Skill Draft, a top priority for Director Lewis Brodsky. Like the Medical Draft, the Special Skills Draft will induct men and women up to age 44 if they have needed DoD skills like computer expertise, engineering or they are a linguist. As with the health care draftees, no medical deferments are allowed except for total disability. Anyone with these skills will have to register with the SSS if Bush is re-elected and asks Congress for this. Moving quickly!

http://www.sss.gov/PDFs/NovDec2003-Register.pdf (go to P. 6) – from sss.gov home page



December 29, 2003 - WP article: “Army Stops Many Soldiers From Quitting, Orders Extend Enlistments to Curtail Troop Shortages” 40,000 soldiers and Guard put on Stop-Loss. A “Draft Per Se” already exists! With the new stop-loss orders the Armed Forces actually go 20,000 past 480,000 active troops, the maximum before Congress steps in.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36979-2003Dec28.html

[Mari333]

15. thank you I needed that ..bookmarked. n/t

[noahmijo]

12. F*** This If Bush thinks I'm gonna go fight his dirty war

If terrorists ever tried to invade our nation via in an attempt to overthrow our homes and our country I'd be on the front lines to shoot back and assist each and every citizen near me as I do consider it a duty to defend your nation and your fellow citizens-WHEN YOU'RE DIRECTLY UNDER ATTACK AND IT's CLEARLY YOU OR THEM.

(I am aware that any invasion of our country is as likely as aliens from Mars coming down to destroy us, but I still would stand by what I just said)


But I refuse to fight in some war that has nothing to do with this nation's security interest and I vehemently oppose the draft as I see it as forced slavery. Fighting to protect yourself within your borders is not the same as being told to pack up and ship out to fight in a country that hasn't attacked you or clearly has no plans to invade you. Plus in Vietnam we saw how well things went when you plucked people who wanted nothing to do with the military and gave them M-16's and explosives to play with.

As a 22 year college student who is an only child and a male I'm the heir of my family, but I know many are not in the same boat.

This is just one more huge reason for me to vote for Kerry who saw firsthand the horrors of war. I have faith that he wouldn't support a draft and do everything he could to stop it. At worst he wants to increase incentives (increase the pay, ect) to join the military which is not bad in my book. Better to be given a choice than an order.

If Bush's little draft idea ever does go public (which I doubt it will before his election time cause NO ONE not even Cons want to be drafted despite their "brave words"), you can bet there will be a revolution.

I used to be a member of the Libertarian Party (now turned Democrat) and despite the negative feelings you may feel towards them, they started primarily as a party that opposed the Vietnam draft. When the time comes we could expect them, The Greens, and virtually everyone from every group (minus the richest within the Repubs) to take a stand against this Communist/Facist regime that sends good citizens off to die for no reason.

[Mari333]

16. Give this info to all your friends

Im not kidding. Let them know what Bush WILL do
we need to start the drip drip drip MEME folks
Bush=DRAFT2005

[mac1000a]

18. I'm with you

on the fact that people wouldn't stand for the draft. Not this time. But how to make people realize that its a real danger before November? I'm 27 myself, which means I'm past the primary draft ages, but not totally safe. I think Kerry has an excellent chance of winning this election, but I do worry about Nader's influence. There is the possibility that he won't make it on the ballot, but even if he does that's not what scares me. I don't think many people are going to vote for him, I think most people will realize that defeating Bush is the primary objective. But if the polls show Bush and Kerry running neck and neck all the way up to the election, with Nader getting 5 or 6 percent, then that's all Bush needs to steal the election again. He won't be able to get away with it if the polls show too much of a discrepancy in the numbers, but if the numbers are close, you can bet a bunch of votes are going to disappear into the Deibold machines, and that's the real danger of a Nader candidacy. It doesn't matter if the people who say they support Nader actually end up voting for him or not. What it does is give Bushco the opportunity to play with the results.

[7th_Sephiroth]

17. as a computer-skilled 19 year old male

can someone please IM me and tell me how to immigrate out of this country

[Kurt Remarque]

19. maybe jen and tonic

the bush twins would be subject. with all of the women in new roles in the armed services, would a draft include women?

[Dems Will Win]

20. Only for non-combatant roles in the Medical and Special Skills DRAFT

Only 20-year-old men for the Army.

The scuttlebutt in the Army itself says the DRAFT is only 8-10 months away. Still predicting June 15, 2005 for first Lottery.

[PaDUer]

23. Instead of IM or PM..

just post the way out on this forum for anyone who has children in the category.

[SheilaT]

21. A few points.

- Don't feel confident that it will take until mid 2005 for a draft to occur. As I stated above, it wouldn't be that hard to manipulate events and public perception to get people clamoring for a draft.

- Don't feel all that sure you can get your draft age sons away from danger. It wouldn't be that hard to essentially close our borders and not permit any males ages 15-35 to leave for any reason whatsoever.

- Don't be convinced you're too old at any age under 65 to be exempt. Toward the end of WWI, this country, under the benign guidance of Woodrow Wilson, was getting ready to draft every single adult male ages 18-45 who was not in an "essential" job. And essential was being defined much more narrowly than it would be today.

I recently got done reading The Great Influenza by John M Barry in which he talks about the universal draft of American men. Woodrow Wilson behaved as a dictator in large part, and EVERYTHING became subsumed to the war effort. We can only hope that no one in the Bush Administration is aware of what happened back then, because they'd see it as precedent, and then, goodbye Constitution, goodbye everything we cherish.

[Mari333]

22. kick this needs to get legs

:kick:

[oasis]

25. kick

[mourningdove92]

26. So how would one go about getting a loved one out of the

country? I have nephew that I really love and would not want to see him drafted.