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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 05:55 AM
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KerryTheft: This Could Be Big
Edited on Sun Mar-28-04 05:57 AM by syrinx9999
CNN) -- FBI documents detailing government surveillance of John Kerry in the early 1970s have been stolen from the home of a historian in a suburb of San Francisco, California.

Gerald Nicosia, who spent more than a decade collecting the information, told CNN in a telephone interview that three of 14 boxes of documents plus a number of loose folders -- hundreds of pages -- were stolen Thursday afternoon.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/03/27/kerry.documents/index.html
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 06:26 AM
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1. Could it be that CRE-EP, like Cheney, is reliving the 70's?
I suppose the next thing we'll hear about is a third rate burglary of some campaign headquarters.

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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 06:28 AM
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2. yep
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 06:34 AM
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3. Hasn't Rove done something like this, during a campaign --
and placed blame elsewhere? Someone refresh my memory --
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flamingpie2500 Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 08:20 AM
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13. I remember something about faked invitations--
Edited on Sun Mar-28-04 08:28 AM by flamingpie2500
unfortunately that is all I remember at the moment--just poured my first cup of java. lol

>>He masterminded George Bush's transformation from boozing brat to national leader, and has been called the most powerful adviser in the White House. Now Karl Rove is in charge of the $150m campaign to re-elect Bush. Who is the man the president calls his 'boy genius'?

n the autumn election season of 1970, a cherubic, bespectacled teenager turned up at the Chicago campaign headquarters of Alan Dixon, a Democrat running for state treasurer in Illinois. No one paid the newcomer much attention when he arrived, or when he left soon afterwards. Nor did anyone in the office make the connection between the mystery volunteer and 1,000 invitations on campaign stationery that began circulating in Chicago's red-light district and soup kitchens, promising "free beer, free food, girls and a good time for nothing" for all-comers at Dixon's headquarters. >>

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1093634/posts
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 08:23 AM
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14. Here ya go...
Rove's dirty fingerprints could also be seen in the Iowa Senate race between Tom Harkin and GOP candidate Greg Ganske. A few months ago, a story was leaked that the Harkin campaign had employed a spy within the Ganske campaign. To put this in a Rove context, we must go back to the 1986 Texas gubernatorial race in which Rove's candidate Bill Clements was taking on Democratic Governor Mark White. Just before a debate between the two candidates, Rove spun the story that his office had been bugged. No proof. But the insinuation that White's people had carried out the bugging was reported by the media. In the election, Clements defeated White. Rove stashed away more political capital into his already heavy knapsack of ill-gotten IOUs.

During the 2000 presidential campaign, we were obviously treated to more Rove chicanery when the following Associated Press story hit the wires: "A woman who worked for a media company that produced ads for President George W. Bush's campaign was indicted for secretly mailing a videotape of Bush practicing for a debate to Vice President Al Gore's campaign." Yes, that videotape, along with a 120-page briefing book, just happened to turn up in Gore's headquarters as fast as the CD-ROM turned up in Lafayette Park. The sourcerer Segretti must be very proud of his apprentice. In 1980, no Republican bemoaned the fact that Jimmy Carter's debate briefing book was swiped and found its way into the hands of the Reagan-Bush campaign. In Rove's world, its only an affront when someone "steals" your own campaign secrets and not when your are on the receiving end of a heist.

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen1101.html
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flamingpie2500 Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 08:30 AM
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16. Thanks for that link, updated mine also-it was stolen stationary.
I LOVE Google!!
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 08:40 AM
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17. That's it -- thanks, Junkdrawer!
Edited on Sun Mar-28-04 08:41 AM by DeepModem Mom
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 06:53 AM
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4. How many convicted felons are working in the administration
Geez these guys don't even bother changing their MO
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IADEMO2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 07:15 AM
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5. This will be spun as a Kerry cover-up to hide his past.
I can just hear the radio screaming now. Any monstrous lie they can think of will be the reason the files were stolen.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 07:21 AM
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6. That would be the Rove "dirty-trick" m.o., I think --
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 07:27 AM
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7. Absolutely, Been saying this for quite a while now.
Karl Rove is a master at the self-inflicted dirty trick. I would expect that as this year progresses, we'll see any number of incidents that make 'ole Georgie look like a beat-up puppy. And it will all come from Rove.


Rove's dirty fingerprints could also be seen in the Iowa Senate race between Tom Harkin and GOP candidate Greg Ganske. A few months ago, a story was leaked that the Harkin campaign had employed a spy within the Ganske campaign. To put this in a Rove context, we must go back to the 1986 Texas gubernatorial race in which Rove's candidate Bill Clements was taking on Democratic Governor Mark White. Just before a debate between the two candidates, Rove spun the story that his office had been bugged. No proof. But the insinuation that White's people had carried out the bugging was reported by the media. In the election, Clements defeated White. Rove stashed away more political capital into his already heavy knapsack of ill-gotten IOUs.

During the 2000 presidential campaign, we were obviously treated to more Rove chicanery when the following Associated Press story hit the wires: "A woman who worked for a media company that produced ads for President George W. Bush's campaign was indicted for secretly mailing a videotape of Bush practicing for a debate to Vice President Al Gore's campaign." Yes, that videotape, along with a 120-page briefing book, just happened to turn up in Gore's headquarters as fast as the CD-ROM turned up in Lafayette Park. The sourcerer Segretti must be very proud of his apprentice. In 1980, no Republican bemoaned the fact that Jimmy Carter's debate briefing book was swiped and found its way into the hands of the Reagan-Bush campaign. In Rove's world, its only an affront when someone "steals" your own campaign secrets and not when your are on the receiving end of a heist.



I told you Rove would do this...

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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 09:37 AM
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20. If I'm not mistaken
When the police investigated (Rove made his announcement the day of a big debate, so left no time to complete the investigation... ), it was discovered that the bug was likely planted by Herr Rove himself.
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 07:55 AM
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8. The public doesn't care about "dirty tricks"
because they're convinced that both sides do it and it doesn't affect them. This story (no matter what the end result is) will go nowhere. I despair of the electorate.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 08:00 AM
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9. A Historian in his home? Do historian usually have documents in their....
home? I thought they went to the archive department of whichever establishment had the papers.

It sounds strange to me that this guy had 14 box of documents in his home to even BE stolen - something fishy there.
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Speed8098 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 08:06 AM
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10. "something fishy there."
That's an understatement if I ever saw one.

This reeks of a rw set-up.

These supposed documents were obtained under the "Freedom of Information Act."

Readily available.

Why would Kerry steal them when they can be obtained with a little research? It makes no sense.

It's definitely a Rove set-up.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 08:11 AM
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11. And since they were obtained via the FOIA
they must have been copies because the FBI would have retained the originals. This does have the feel of a Rovian dirty trick, but it is hard to understand the reasoning.
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 08:19 AM
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12. I think its bullshit
Edited on Sun Mar-28-04 08:20 AM by mobuto
1. These are photocopies of readily available documents. If they really were stolen, guy can just resubmit his FOIA request and get new ones.

2. The documents were "stolen" as he was moving those boxes to a secure location. Now why would he do that?

3. He has no idea what was stolen.

4. There is no sign of forcible entry.

5. Who ever heard of Gerald Nicosia?

I think Nicosia either did something really stupid with the documents, or he's trying to build up publicity for his forethcoming book. I just don't see why anybody would even want to steal those documents -- since they could submit a FOIA request themselves.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 08:27 AM
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15. Possible explanation...
Perhaps he received copies from BEFORE the Smirk and Sneer badministration "took" office. So, the copies he had contained fewer redactions.

If Nicosia gets anything replaced now, they'll be missing whatever Nixon/Bush 1 (Reagan)/Bush 2 don't want known. For those who've followed Nixon'-Bush-Nazi-Mafia-KKK-Wall Street-MIComplex that could mean most anything. To me, a Democrat, that goes to the "Bay of Pigs Thing."

Without all the facts in, however, this is conjecture. Your explanation sums up the more likely scenario. I fear mine explains Bushler's current situation.
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flamingpie2500 Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 08:52 AM
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18. Great article here--may help answer some
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-kerryfbi22mar22,1,1791754,print.story?coll=la-home-headlines


My guess is there is something in these papers SOMEBODY doesn't want released--may not be Kerry but someone else.
Note in the article it took 11 years for this guy to get these files.
This is a much quicker way for some people--steal them.
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flamingpie2500 Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 09:00 AM
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19. Nagging question: who would know just WHICH boxes to steal?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 09:38 AM
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21. Remember, folks...those documents are copies. The originals are...
...still in the FBI archives.

Then again, that could be worrisome, too.
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