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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:33 PM
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Nader called Clinton a draft dodger on the Randi Rhoades show.
What more proof do we need that Ralph is a Republican operative? Why didn't he call bush a draft dodger? Answer: Because he is a Republican operative. Forget trying to appease him and his "people". They need to be run against just as we run against the Republicans.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:34 PM
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1. Shut up Chicken Hawk Ralph!
Hmmmm, wasn't Ralph a Chicken Hawk too??????????
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:36 PM
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4. Doesn't "hawk" require being pro war?
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:36 PM
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5. He came off real bad on her show.
He is a tool for the right wing. He showed himself to be an inept tool for the right wing. Further, the way he treated Randi showed that he hates women.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:36 PM
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6. nader is anti-war. so how could he be a chicken-hawk?
:eyes:
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:38 PM
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9. If he's anti-war then why call Clinton a draft dodger?
I think the logic on this goes both ways. I don't know many anti-war activists that would call a person who evaded an unjust war a draft dodger.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:42 PM
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16. i don't know.
but what's that got to do with calling ralph a chicken hawk? don't recall him pushing the iraq invasion.
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:20 PM
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36. But I haven't heard him say much against the Iraq war?
I mean, complain about the Republicans...never really heard him do that...
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:31 PM
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40. cause you ain't listening.
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PatrioticOhioLiberal Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:46 PM
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Ralphie
How about chicken sh*t...noted mainly by the stench that follows him around...never realized ego smelled like that until Ralphie trotted his teensy weenie self back along the "campaign" trail.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:35 PM
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2. Ignore Nader.
He'll just go away.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:35 PM
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3. Message to Ralph: breathe deeply and think rationally
He is really making an ass of himself on air.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:36 PM
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7. How old is he? Which conflict did he fight in?
Then STFU, cowboy.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:37 PM
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8. Christ
Ralph is not a pub operative. He is trying to get the Dems to REALLY come back left. The problem is CORPORATIONS have bought our government.

http://gnn.tv/countdown


Watch it and learn about Ralph
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:39 PM
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10. Bullshit.
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 08:41 PM by Liberal_Guerilla
I don't care what little video you got there. The proof is in the out come of his actions. The proof is in how he just dis-respected Randi Rhoades, and refused to answer her questions. If he really wanted to be an influence in democratic politics then why wasn't he debating in the Dem primaries like Kucinich, Braun and Sharpton?

If he ain't a pub operative, then he is an ego driven nut ball.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:02 PM
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42. He might be a nut ball...
but he is a real progressive nut ball. Watch the movie or stfu.

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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:12 PM
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45. Nader is just an act
And a corporate tit-sucker.

Google and see just how much coporate money he's earned in the past few years.

He's just shilling his shit to what he hopes is a more gullible crowd.

I'm not biting, and I didn't in 2000.

Ralph Nader can kiss my ass.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:39 PM
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11. don't go spoiling the '2 minute hate'
the proles want their Victory Gin ration, dammit!
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:45 PM
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20. Well...it keeps the blind faithful...
...from actually questioning the direction of the Democratic party. Hate Nader and ignore that the Dem party is becoming more 'conservative' with each election cycle. Pretty soon you'll be able to vote Democrat and Republican at the same time.

- The problem lies with a corrupt government and media selling US out to corporations while backing the creation of a one party state.
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PatrioticOhioLiberal Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:51 PM
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25. Same old, same old
Gee, do I hear an echo?

Wasn't it the old, "there's no difference between D's & R's," Ralphie's rationale (assuming Ralphie has any rational thoughts) in 2000?

We all know what that got us don't we?
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:04 PM
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43. Blaming Ralph for Bush being in office...
Is like blaming Kato Kalin for OJ killing Nichole.
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PatrioticOhioLiberal Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:56 PM
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44. OJ walked
and we got shrub...and yes, I blame Ralphie...he's an egocentric jerk with delusions of grandeur. And I'm entitled to my opinion...one that is shared by many.

For those who don't share that opinion...that is also their right.

Ralphie thinks he's a king maker...all hail his most recent product of madness...G.W. Bushytushy.

Thanks but no thanks.

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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:41 PM
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13. Amazing how we don't hear from him...
on the subjects he says he cares about between election seasons.
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:43 PM
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17. Where has he been the past 3+ years that we have had to endure Bush?
Nowhere!! he only comes out to bash Dems when it is convenient for the republicans. Fuck Ralph.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:53 PM
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28. Quite an insightful point.
I guess his outrage comes every 4 years.

Ralph is against corporations, but as far as I know he hasn't given his portfolio dividends to charity. And just what is Ralph saying he would do to combat the evil of corporations? Make them illegal?

He is using corporations as some kind of tactical wedge to lump democrats and republicans as "pro-corporation"....in 2000, it was the "dems are no different from the repubs". In 2004 it's, "dems and repubs are bought by corporations". New meme, same bullshit.
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messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:40 PM
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12. Ralph Nader is a veteran
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 08:43 PM by messiah
Oops...........
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:42 PM
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15. That can't be. He was born in 1934.
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 08:43 PM by NightTrain
That would've made Nader 11 years old when WW2 ended in 1945.
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:48 PM
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22. Korea was from 1950-53. He may have been.
He was 18 in 52 and the war was in full court press then.
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messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:57 PM
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30. I think he served in a infantry unit.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:08 PM
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33. No, he did not
He was in college until 1958. Not a single online biography mentions any military service.
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messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:13 PM
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35. Guess your right but I'm still investigating.........
I did hear somewhere that he served in some war.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:43 PM
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18. I don't think so !
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:12 PM
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34. Ralph is NOT a veteran... not of Korea....
Ralph Nader was born in Winsted, Connecticut to Nathra and Rose Nader, Lebanese immigrants who operated a restaurant and bakery. Nader's dream of becoming a "people's lawyer" was instilled in him in adolescence by his parents, who in noisy free-for-alls, conducted family seminars on the duties of citizenship in a democracy. Mark Green, a former Nader associate, said that "When (the Naders) sat around the table growing up it was like the Kennedys. Except that the subject was not power but justice."

Following his graduation in 1951 from Gilbert School, Nader entered the Woodrow Wilson School of International Affairs at Princeton University. Graduating magna cum laude in 1955, with a major in government and economics, Nader enrolled in Harvard Law School. He became an editor of the Harvard Law Review, and after graduating with honors, set up a small legal practice and traveled widely.

CHeck the dats....
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:41 PM
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14. Let Ralph rant and rave
He'll become irrelevant anyway. He's too liberal for the neocons, and he's too "you're all the same" for liberals.

I heard this this afternoon, his visit is about to get a whole lot uglier. He didn't do himself any favors here.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:44 PM
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19. I heard him say that
and I wondered what was the motivation.

It was not necessary to the issue at hand.

Rhodes let it go by

But, it showed his true feelings.

We do not need people like this "has been" appearing on liberal talk radio for the purpose of bashing liberals .

Nader is out to bash the Democrats and that I am sure of after this appearance on the Randi Rhodes show . He is trite, petulant, and unable to admit the truth, but prefers to uphold his delusions.

He is, in other words, an incompetant, and perhaps is suffering from some mental disease. He has no concern for this country--if he did, he would back down, simply to present a united front against the idiot Bush.
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GordonOKC Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:50 PM
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23. I agree
I'm so proud of Randi saying to Ralph what needed
to be said.

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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:46 PM
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21. Ralph smears Democrats constantly
And when Democrats stand up to him, they get attacked again by some within our own ranks.

And the republicans win and win and win...
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:50 PM
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24. Did It Ever Occur To Anyone That...
Ralph is beginning to realize that he has become obsolete in American politics and that by inserting himself into politics the way he has, it is the only way he can stay "relevant"?
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:51 PM
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26. Yep
That's why he left consumer advocacy a long time ago.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:52 PM
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27. doesn`t anyone remember
ralphie and his little love-fest with the republicans right after bush`s installation? that little dinner date he was invited to...
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:01 PM
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31. You mean the dinner with his tru love Phillys Schafly.
He was probably there to pick up his check and get a pat on the back.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:55 PM
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29. Ralphie is an egomaniacal creep.
I actually hate him more than Bush. I never expected anything different from Bush.
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:07 PM
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32. I do think it's telling that Ralph called Clinton a draft dodger.
Those are Republican talking points memos. All the more proof that he is a republican waterboy.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:23 PM
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37. Give it up!
Girls, who you gonna do? Wm. Jefferson or BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I cannot believe I'm even asking!!! The Dog is neither in office nor calling the shots. Getting off on it is a sign of dysfunction. :evilgrin:
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:24 PM
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38. Not the first time
for Ralph to side with the right. He also said Clinton deserved to be impeached. He's rightwing scum. I don't trust him or his motivations. You're right -- he is a right wing mole. He doesn't care about the future of his country. He also really wants to keep Bush's tax cuts in place for his personal financial gain.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:25 PM
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39. how fucking stupid
and who fucking cares? Is being a draft dodger a bad thing. I'd sure as hell be one if I was alive during Vietnam, and I'd be one now if * reinstated the draft. I will never serve in the military, period, end of story.
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messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:37 PM
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41. But in what context?
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Liberal_Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:19 PM
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46. I'm Sure Another Check From Karl Rove Is Already In The Mail
nt
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