If Bush doesn't level Fallujah, then he's is a Pussy

[Must_B_Free]

Catch my drift? :wink: :wink:

Tell all your right wing friends that...

"Who do you side with, your macho instincts or Bush. Are you going to be a Pussy along with Bush?"

[bluestateguy]

1. They are already starting to say that

Just head on over to the Yahoo boards and Freerepublic.

[Jack_Dawson]

2. Actually, We Probably Should Level Fallujah

in all honesty. 17% of Iraq thinks attacks upon coaltion forces is OK. 75% of Fallujah thinks it's cool. Why not firebomb the whole place? Seriously.

[billbuckhead]

3. Wes Clark would be the first one to say no.

[napsi]

18. Why don't we hand them over

to the World Court. They did such a marvelous job today. The only way to deal with these people is to kill them before they kill us. Pschotic? Maybe. I hate the fact we're over there but we are over there. We should not hamstring our troops. If the USA is not willing to unleash these guys then we are sentencing more of our soldiers to die needlessly..... Get the job done and get these people home....PERIOD>

[DenverDem]

38. Burn them!!!

Get the job done?!?!?!?

What's the job, genocide?

Hamstring our troops? You got to be kidding me. Our troops are killing civilians daily. We've killed tens of thousands of their civillians already. Our troops are commiting war crimes every freaking day. Why the hell do you think these "liberated" people are fighting back?

You think this is blowback? I assure you the bad karma our heroic troops are building up for our country will blow back in a way that will make hell seem a relief.

"we are sending more of our soldiers to die needlessly" and we are setting up a payback on the American people, many will die "needlessly" because of the criminals in the white house and the criminals on the ground in Iraq.

Wave your bloody flag of jingoism elsewhere.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

42. I suggest that it be waived in Iraq just to see what happens. eom

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[DenverDem]

57. So the guy talking about leveling Fallujah

wants me to take my hate elsewhere.

If you want to stick you head in the sand about the realities of what is happening to the civilians of Iraq at the hands of our troops, who volunteered for the Army, that is your perogative. It does not, however, change the massive numbers of "collateral damaged" citizens that have been murdered in our great war of liberation (of the oil for bushler's cronies). Just because it's Americans doing it doesn't make it not a war crime.

Take YOUR hatred and stupidity elsewhere, you make ME sick.

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[homelandpunk]

58. goddamn! but shit, that was needed to be said....THANK YOU!

Really. You blew their stupidity to fucking hell. Thanks DenverDem!

[Old and In the Way]

66. Try this.

Pretend, for a second, you are an Iraqi. Through no fault of your own, the US has, over a 35 year period,:

(1) installed Saddam Hussein
(2) Given him the aid and technology to conduct domestic terror and fight local wars.
(3) Waged DS1
(4) Put your country in a 12 year embargo that stopped things like water purification and devlop crop fertilizer. Killing 500K civilians in the process.
(5) Waged a 2nd war on trumped up charges that killed upwards of 10,000 Iraqi civilians.
(6) Destroyed the infrastructure of a once vibrant, progressive society and have allowed the Religious Fascists to take power again.

Now, honestly, would you be waving a US flag with a happy face or would you be looking to take a little revenge?

Perhaps you should consider reality from other perspectives....God Bless America (or at least have mercy on our souls).

[LibertyorDeath]

84. Well said Old and In the Way reality sucks

Hey the oil fields are safe all is well....

[JVS]

88. Umm, how about we mind our own business and not invade in the 1st place

[JVS]

89. I'm afraid that there are some Serbs who may disagree with your statement

[LandOLincoln]

101. Yes, that was my first thought too. Missed Wes on Scarborough

tonight, but I believe someone said he'd talked a bit about Fallujah. I'd love to know what he said.

Anyone?

[KissMyAsscroft]

4. Oh, Im sure they will...

give em a little while.

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[minkyboodle]

6. yikes

this thread has gotten creepy real quick

[absyntheNsugar]

13. I agree...yikes indeed

Any talk of "leveling" a city scares the shit outa me....

Lemme see...Iraqis kill a group of mercenaries (the men killed today were security forces for hire - look it up) and string their bodies up. These mercenaries had the job of protecting the oil wells as it is drained from their country.

Now if the shoe was on the other foot, say China invaded California and started pumping out our oil to ship back to China for rock bottom prices...wouldn't you be pissed?

[Must_B_Free]

20. Exactly

can you imagine how well Americans would take occupation? the old "live free or die" crowd? What extreme hypocrites we are.

The problem is that football testosterone, alchohol and facism create a deadly mixture

[absyntheNsugar]

29. Now now now...nuthin wrong with Football and alchohol

It's the testosterone that gets things dangerous...lol

[JVS]

90. Nothing wrong with testosterone either.

It is totally natural and vital for human life. It's when people start believing that massacres are wrong that the problems begin.

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[markses]

33. Fallujah is a city of 200,000

That's just counting the human beings.

What's wrong with you?

[napsi]

40. What's wrong with me is

I'm tired of seeing our troops die. What is your solution....pull them out now? I'm not interested in another American retreat that leaves Iraq in more chaos. Fallujah is a hotbed of terrorists. For the life of me I don't understand waging a PC war.

Bush and his cronies put us there...at least have the balls to finish it and get us OUT!

[leesa]

48. Finish what? Murdering people who did nothing to deserve this??

Mental illness is simply rampant among Americans.
Why not pull out? The Iraqis are a far more sophisticated civilization than we are they will be fine, much better without the US destroying their country and stealing their resources. You are a paternalistic joker to think the US has any credibility in Iraq or ANYWHERE on the planet. Your attitude is the reason why.

[DrWeird]

49. What terrorists?

These were outraged civilians. Vigilante justice.

[Must_B_Free]

56. No kidding - this is backwoods justice

they doo the same thing in remote parts India when lovers marry out of caste - the parents lead the village to stone their own children to death.

[LandOLincoln]

103. Absolutely, and can anyone doubt that some Americans would

have done exactly the same had the situations been reversed?

[DenverDem]

52. What's wrong with me is

I'm sick of seeing our troops kill civilians en masse to protect the interests of corporate globalists against the interests of the American People. War is the single most counter productive foreign policy ever and this is the most counter productive war ever.

"have the balls to finish it"--What's your proposed endgame, genocide of all Arabs, genocide of all non-Americans, genocide of everyone who doesn't think like you, genocide of everyone except you? There is no end to war.

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[Old and In the Way]

78. Kill 'em all.

That will secure the peace....and the oil wells.

BTW Napsi, I see you only have 66 posts, so you probably weren't around here 18 months ago when we were predicting that Dimson would, stupidly, invade Iraq. We also predicted that this action would:

(1) Be a thinly veiled action of occupation for oil. (read PNAC)
(2) Would not get us oil because the pipelines would be sabotauged.
(3) Make the world look at us as the empire builders that the neo-cons have planned for us.
(4) That we'd initiate a pan-Islamic uprising that would engulf Iraq and further radicalize the mid-East.
(5) End up being slow death for our brothers, sisters, sons, and daughters as they would be picked off in a unwinnable, low level guerilla war of attrition.

So, instead of asking us the rhetorical question as to how we should extricate ourselves from the mess we predicted, why not ask those questions to the administration that lied to get us into Iraq?

[Corgigal]

98. Dick Clarke?

Nice to see you here posting. Unlike the present adminstration, we will listen to you. HA!

[maveric]

80. WE are the terrorists in Falluja.

WE invaded THEIR country ILLEGALLY and and BOMBED and KILLED tens of thousands of THEIR people.

[tkmorris]

95. What you are describing isn't balls

It's criminally insane. I don't believe this post has been allowed to stand.

[napsi]

41. What's wrong with me is

I'm tired of seeing our troops die. What is your solution....pull them out now? I'm not interested in another American retreat that leaves Iraq in more chaos. Fallujah is a hotbed of terrorists. For the life of me I don't understand waging a PC war.

Bush and his cronies put us there...at least have the balls to finish it and get us OUT!

[markses]

72. Since no rational person

Could utter such nonsense in good conscience, I won't even bother to refute it. You obviously need to take a break and many deep breaths, and think about exactly what you are saying. Your care for our troops shows that you value human life, so I'll assume that you are a decent person rather than an advocate of mass murder. Cool off a bit.

[AtTheEndOfTheDay]

74. "I'm tired of seeing our troops die. What is your solution"

"I'm tired of seeing our troops die. What is your solution....pull them out now?" Uhhh, that's probably a solution that could work.

[leesa]

43. What is wrong with you...sick...sick person

The Iraqis did NOTHING to us. We illegally, immorally invaded a defenseless country like the cowards we are and you behave like this. SICK! You disgust me.

[napsi]

54. I totally agree

that we are there illegaly, immorally etc..... What's your point. Tuck tail and run.....not an option in my opinion

[DrWeird]

55. You just advocating killing babies in their sleep!

How are you any better then the terrorists?

[napsi]

59. I didn't say I was

any better. I want our troops home. The only way they come home is to win this fucking war. Illegal or not.....we HAVE to win. I didn't make the rules and I didn't send men and women off to die for nothing.

[DrWeird]

60. Yeah OK, Osama.

What is it exactly that you want to win?

[Sliverofhope]

63. How do we 'win this war'?

Creating a stable neoliberal, pro-US, pro-Israel western style democracy with a constitution that balances the needs and rights of three ethnic groups, and where no attacks on Americans take place? I don't think that's all possible.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

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[Guy Whitey Corngood]

69. Don't forget to add the Neo-liberal model to the equation.

No unions or decent wages will be tolerated.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

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[homelandpunk]

73. Here's an option for YOU: enlist. ENnnnn. LISssssssT-uh!!!!!

Glory awaits you.

[JVS]

91. So we slaughter a bunch of innocents because they had the misfortune...

of being wrongfully invaded by us? If this is the kind of opinion that you put forth, you should not expect your opinion to be valued. Thus your post serves as an endorsment of getting the hell out.

[mac1000a]

82. I hate to break it to you dude

But the Iraqis didn't ask for us to "liberate" them? What would you do if a foreign army invaded your home? Would you run out and welcome them with champange and kisses? Would be grateful to them that they supported a tyrannical leader of yours for years and then bombed the crap out of your country for another decade? Would you be grateful to them for killing 1.5 million of your people through sanctions and then killing thousands more in an invasion to supposedly bring you freedom when all they're really doing is selling off your country piece by piece to multinational corporations? I'm going to go out on a limb and say no. You'd probably fight them, just like they're doing to us. Your arrogance is appalling, as is your willingness to committ mass murder. Go on over to the Free Republic, there's plenty of like-minded psychos over there.

[vetwife]

99. Win the war..With honor maybe? Plllllease we heard this from Nixon

For those old enough to remember, there is no honor in war and this guy who said, win the war....please and get out with honor. We lost integrity and honor the day we invaded. There is no honor and there is no winning. People die. People are mamed..Where is the honor in all of that? Am I a terrorist sympathizer..NO! But who are the terrorists? Anyone who is not in lockstep with this administration. We need at this point to pull out and let the UN handle it. We have caused this soverign nation enough grief. Hurrray Saddam is gone and so is the best of America. Who won? Flip a coin.

[LandOLincoln]

102. Self-edited because I've calmed down enough to see

the man posted a gut reaction and is not in fact a Freeper, but a reasonable man who--you know--posted a gut reaction.

As I did.

Or something.

I dunno.

WES! HEEEELPPP!!!

[burythehatchet]

7. An insightful idea that should resolve most, if not all the problems

in Iraq. Today's events could be seen as a blessing , no?

[Redleg]

8. "We" should level Fallujah?

Go ahead. I'll stay here.

[Must_B_Free]

9. Because we were supposed to liberate them

remember the pretense for the entire war? we didn't agree to go along with ethnic cleansing. What you are talking about is no better than genocide.

[FlemingsGhost]

12. Amen.

:-)

[w13rd0]

44. Actually...

...liberation was the post-invasion, pre-occupation reason. Pre-invasion, the reason was WMD.

[DenverDem]

11. Surely you jest.

Above and beyond the absurd immorality of it, the negative foreign relations effect would be massive.

[Cat Atomic]

15. I've never seen the idea of genocide tossed around so lightly.

At least not here.

[mike1963]

16. Haw, Haw...you made a funny...

which wasn't.

[JohnLocke]

19. Self-delete.

[Sliverofhope]

24. #2 is right, though

Collective punishment always works. Killing large numbers of people to root out psychos has worked marvelously for Israel and Palestine. Just look how peaceful it is over there?

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

23. It seems to me most of our problems come from Texas.

Maybe we should nuke them. How about that? Why stop there? Let's take out the whole south while we're at it.

[DenverDem]

45. I think the target should be Conneticut and Maine.

The bushlers are not Texans, they are thieving carpetbagger yankies.

Nuke the North!!

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

50. Yeah but Rove, Delay, oil execs and the rest? I just wanna kill, kill.....

[DenverDem]

62. You bring up a good point.

I do think that we need to set up a row of guillotines on the Mall in DC by the Washington Monument and publicly, live on national TV, execute the traitors who have committed the capital crimes that have taken our country to the abyss of disaster.

We need to show the treasonous bastards like Ann Coulter that we don't accept lying traitors in this country. Conservatives need to start watching what they say.

Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Say no more.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

64. I believe Mr George Carlin has some ideas on this.

It involves pay per view as well.

[Old and In the Way]

79. Hey, take out K-Port, but leave the rest of our State alone.

[DenverDem]

83. I'm kidding, but you see how I feel when people want to nuke Texas.

Me being a Texas native and all (man, I miss Austin!)

It's all in jest in the spirit of Smirky's welcomed humorous satire that started this subthread.

[DrWeird]

25. No, lets round them up in a chamber and gas them.

But first we should make them watch as we rape their wives and children.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

26. See, now we're getting creative people.

The fucked up part is that I expect a few here to take it seriously and agree.

[Sliverofhope]

32. Good thing we're rid of Saddam

We could set up rooms where the rape could take place. Rape rooms, if you will. And we'll need mass graves.

[pinniped]

27. It won't be 17% for long if that happens.

n/t

[stevedeshazer]

28. You must be nuts

Let's just firebomb a city. Cool.

I believe what you are referring to is what Hitler called a "Final Solution".

Seriously.

[maveric]

37. Would you be friendly to an invading occupying force?

That just killed tens of thousands of your fellow countrymen, hold you as a virtual prisoner, and are trying to press thier form of govt and religion upon you? I suspect you'd be doing the same as they are.

I dont know what RW talk show gave you those numbers but even if that is the case firebombing will kill thousands of INNOCENT citizens.

[leesa]

39. You are one sick puppy. These people did NOTHING to us!

We invaded them for no reason at all. We should get the hell out! I can't believe the sickness in Americans like yourself!

[SharonAnn]

47. Oh, the old "Hama Rules"(sp?). See "From Beirut to Jerusalem"

It's about Syria and Assad obliterating a town named "Hama", a hotbed of resistance, and killing absolutely everyone and bulldozing the buildings until there is virtually no sign it was ever there.

Thomas Friedman (author) said that is the kind of warfare that real despots use in the Middle East and that those (us and others) who don't understand it will continue to misjudge the situations.

[CastorTroy]

76. I guess your version of Red Dawn would . . .

have ended with the slaughter of those rebel kids. You know, they were hurting foreign occupiers and all.

Why don't you go take your punk ass to Fallujeh and wipe them out yourself, Captain Keyboard.

[tkmorris]

96. *snort*

Captain Keyboard? Damnit man, don't do that to me! :)

[ConsAreLiars]

77. Osama? Is that you?

Been a while since we last chatted.

Getting the Crusaders to fulfill your fondest dreams by taking out that nasty secularist Saddam and intensifying the fundie-fundie conflict was brilliant strategy, but getting the evil ones to commit genocide against this anti-Wahabi city would be delicious.


Keep up the fine work, and I'll continue to do what I can to keep the Crusaders on course. The "now that we are their we can't cut and run" line seems to be working well, so I am quite optimistic.


Your friend and theirs,

Satan

[MUAD_DIB]

87. What is this with all of the final solution people today?

It's seriously sounding like what the Russians did to Chenchnya in the 90's.

Get our troops out of there pronto!

[Torgo Johnson]

92. What a great idea,

I personally think killing tens of thousands of innocent people is a great way to retaliate for the killing of a handful. Maybe when we're done, we can videotape the aftermath and show it during halftime of the next Super Bowl, especially since we know it cant be any worse than showing a tit.


Seriously, if we do this we will be no better than the terrorists who attacked us on 9-11. On second thought, we will actually be worse. Where did you get the stat that 75% of Fallujah thinks it's cool. What, did they do door to door polling?

P.S Personally, I am holding out some hope you were being sarcastic like the original poster, but I don't think you were.

[tkmorris]

94. ????

"17% of Iraq thinks attacks upon coaltion forces is OK. 75% of Fallujah thinks it's cool. Why not firebomb the whole place? Seriously."

Because doing that would be one of the most morally bankrupt things our nation has ever done? I can't believe you even suggested such a thing. What on earth has happened to us?

[skooooo]

14. Just pipe in some Laurance Welke Music!!!

That will grind the bastards into submission within a few hours, I would think.

[Mari333]

Its time for the Testosterone laden, nose picking idiots

who are running the govt, or supporting such ideas, to have their proverbial asses kicked by the mothers and grandmothers who have kids over there.
I intend to be part of that movement.
http://www.mfso.org

[Catherine Vincent]

17. Hmmm...are you serious?

[Must_B_Free]

35. no, hon,

:wink: wink: is my hint that it is sarcastic, not to mention my standard disclaimer.

I was only serious in that it will rib the wingnuts... get a little shampoo in their eyes.

[Gman]

21. Are you saying Bush II is a WIMP

like his dad???

[NoPasaran]

22. Nothing like a few war crimes

to teach the Iraqis to appreciate their liberation.

[wildwww2]

30. "I`m suprised you didn`t already know he was a Pussy"

I`ve been well aware of it before he ran to the latrine court to keep my vote from being counted. Real brave thing that was. Right wing friends? That is an oxymoron.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

[salinen]

31. I guess it's o.k. to

kill soldiers, but dragging burned bodies through the streets is not. Killing = O.K. Dragging = Genocide. I get it.

[billbuckhead]

34. It's their GD country, if they don't want Halliburton there, why

should the avarage American citizen care at this point? Support the troops, bring them home. (Realtively soon.)

[BeFree]

36. Iraq

The people of Iraq, having been for years and years attacked by Saddam's forces, and having lived through the last year of shock and awe, are now hardened and desensitized to humanity.

The only thing we can do is stay away from them and let them heal. That would be the most humane thing we could do at this point. Just get the hell out and leave them alone.

Since we won't leave, you must steel yourselves for more awful stories like today's.

[markses]

46. Let's review

Four human beings were murdered today by a number of other human beings. Their bodies were then burned, mutilated, and hung from a bridge. In all likelihood, the killing in this particular locale will continue, seeing as it is a war zone.

In response to today's actions, a large number of Americans, including some on this very thread, suggest that the military of the United States kills 200,000 people and flattens their city.

Needless to say, the Parking Lot Crowd still believes deeply that America is doing good in the world, and they feel themselves to be of the most righteous when it comes to ethics.

[DenverDem]

71. Pretty incredible, isn't it.

The addled masses yearning to be free of responsibility (to think for themselves).

The Church of the Subgenius has it correct. The masses will pay to be told what to think. "Pull the wool over your own eyes."

<http://www.subgenius.com/>

[Old and In the Way]

81. Yes, I think you summed it up pretty succintly.

:-)

[VOX]

93. Astonishing. And so sad.

Well said, markses.

[Davis_X_Machina]

53. "I'm rational enough to know that we can't leave now."

Why can't we?

Why not just give 72 hours notice and leave?

It's not our country.

We weren't invited.

It's clear they want us gone.

If they really wanted reconstruction help, they'd behave differently.

The notion that 'the only way to end the war is to win it' is risible.

Set a date, and leave.

That ends the war.

At some point Sistani is going to give us 72 hours notice and ask us to leave. What's the difference?

[markus]

75. We won't leave

That's the difference. We have plans and they don't give a F-- what Sistani says.

[JCMach1]

67. Fallujah has had NO basic services since the end of the war

outside of any politics, even, people are pissed there.

I have a student from Fallujah who gives me a lot of the inside poop.

There has also been an ongoing cycle of violence there since the occupation began. American soldiers shoot, beat, intimidate, and arrest with little regard to what they are doing. Then, the retaliation comes.

Imagine long-term life with no running water, sewage, electriciy, garbage pickup, police, health care, or anything else. You might just be a little angry too.

That doesn't excuse the violence, but it helps to understand it.

[tedzbear]

85. Can't do.

Cheney won't let them use nukes in case the fallout contaminates the oil. The radioactive isotopes of plutonium have a hundred year half life.

[leftofthedial]

86. I say level Rallujah

and Tikrit too, for good measure.

Then Boston.

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[Lefergus70]

100. When RWs show compassion it's always phony

I believe the people who talk about "liberating" the Iraqi people from oppression are the same ones who suddenly turn and say "Nuke 'em."

[Moderator]

104. Locking

lots of PA's and advocating violence against civilians.