Some of what we are up against amongst the Armageddonites

[Mari333]

Time/CNN poll 18 months ago found that 59% of Americans believe the events in the book of Revelation are going to come true, while nearly 25% think the Bible predicted the September 11 attacks. Little wonder then that sales jumped 60% after 9/11 and Desecration -the 9th book, released in October 2001 - was the bestselling novel of the year. "The tragedy of 9/11 made everything so much more real and believable," Jenkins says.








http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,6109,1183374,00.html

[absyntheNsugar]

1. ARRRRGHHH!!!

When are Christians going to realize....Revelation already happened - IN 90 AD!!!!!!

The book is a warning from Christians in Rome to their counterparts in Jersualem that something VERY VERY BAD was coming down the pike. The book was written in code, and so that's why it is so hard to understand.

A couple keys: Nero is 666, and the Lion heads with Scorpion tails were the chariots the Romans used.

[Muddleoftheroad]

17. Basically, the you are right and everybody else is wrong approach?

Doesn't work too well.

[oasis]

2. Then why are these bastards so worried about their precious tax cuts?

[Mari333]

5. The top 1% of the wealthy got the tax cuts. Not the people

who read those books.
Those are 5th grade reading level books.
pitiful.

[oasis]

10. We are told that the ads about Kerry raising taxes have brought his poll

numbers down. One percent wouldn't be able to do that.

I've seen televangelist talk about the evils of welfare and big government. Could it be that many of these fundies are nothing but hypocrites?

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[blm]

3. Tim LaHaye and Rev. Moon are longtime allies

and both were self proclaimed mind control experts.

Of course, neither one mentions that fact anymore.

[Mel]

6. Tim LaHaye and Rev. Moon

ahhh Haa! Can you hook me up with a good source. I did not know they were connected it makes perfect sense though. I want to show their connection to someone in my family that doesn't trust or like Moonie. This may help me get a bing bing/light bulb moment, if you know what I mean ;)

[blm]

9. Absolutely. Many a Left Behind fundie has turned when LaHaye's

Moonie connection was revealed.

This site is completely footnoted with links.

http://www.geocities.com/nomoonies1/1/

[Mel]

19. Thank You!

I do appreciate it!

[Ladyhawk]

4. The fundies need to hang onto their dogma in order to feel safe.

Unfortunately, they feel a need to foist their dogma on everyone else, too. :eyes:

Someone shared an apt metaphor with me this week. The situation: we're all in the ocean, waiting for rescue and the fundies are hanging on to life preservers...only they don't realize that the life preservers are actually anvils. But, dammit, they keep trying to make others hang onto the anvils, too. You can keep telling them to keep their anvils to themselves (or even get rid of the anvils altogether), but they won't do it. They've hung onto the anvils for so long, seen them as a source of comfort and truth for so long, that even when you dump them into the ocean, they're going to hang on.

There isn't much chance of changing the minds of fundies. In the case of some, it would destroy them. They've based their whole lives on a lie and to force the red pill down their throats is almost worse than letting them keep the blasted anvils. (Sorry about the mixed metaphor. I'm too lazy to come up with something better tonight.)

[Mari333]

8. Boston U did a good study on the millenialists at one time

www.mille.org
I enjoyed their papers and studies immensely leading up to 2000. They predicted a lot of what might happen before 2000 and afterwards, the anger that jesus didnt come back .
and the scapegoating that would ensue.
the links page is a hoot.
http://www.mille.org/links/index.html

[absyntheNsugar]

11. Yep...

In 1000 they thought Christ would return, so the first crusades began...he never showed

Then in the late 1800's they thought he'd show again. Nothing, nada zip...

Then in 2000 they thought FOR SURE he would return...nothing. Not even a clock failure...

So theyre pissed!

Personally, I always thought Christ returned just like he said he would. Died on a cross, then shows up somewhere in Acts. Thomas doesn't beleive him and puts his fingers through his wounds.

[maveric]

12. They'll have another "Great Disapointment". like in 1844

http://www.gospelcom.net/chi/DAILYF/2001/10/daily-10-22-2001.shtml

[CaptainClark23]

13. Coping mechanism

People are at the very least subconciously aware that life as we know it is on the cusp of a massive upheaval, Be it economic, environmental, political or economic, or a combination of all/some.

That notion scares the shit out of them just as it does us. Having a grand design responsible for and attending to this immenent cataclysm affords a measure of emotional security. It allows people to forsake responsibility for their own demise.

Now, I'm not excusing the behavior or trying to offer a rationalisation of it, but simply offering the view that their beliefs are not based on antagonistic certainty, but the opposite. They cling to these "truths" out of desperate fear and inability to face their own fraility.

We should be careful not to demonize the populist faithful, even as they demonize us. Look through the bluster and you see scared, helpless human beings. I've found its a healthier and ultimately more benficial and productive way of dealing with such people.

And deal with them we must, sadly. We are stuck together as Americans.

Disclosure: I personally believe there is a spiritual aspect to this critical junture of history. I'm just not counting on anyone to save me but myself.

[Mari333]

14. Their viewpoints, however, shape foreign policy

and they are dragging the rest of us along as they live in delusion.
Another reason I see no reason to stay in this country. By the way, these people were thinking this way BEFORE 9/11. Its that millenial fervour. Tiresome shite.








http://www.againstbombing.com/ArmageddonUpdates.htm

[CaptainClark23]

16. No argument there, Mari

The last thing I would suggest would be complacent acceptance of the direction we are being taken in. Far from it. It goes back beyond millenialism...its been a theme of human nature, and how humans cope with fear of things they perceive as beyond control. Humans simply devise a world-view in which they DO have control.

Dia duit, a chara.

[Triple H]

15. I like the "Left Behind" book series.

[Mari333]

18. And that's your First Amendment right. n/t