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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 01:47 AM
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Only Impeachment will do?
**I tend to agree with what I was told Kucinich said, that impeachment risks buying Bush sympathy. So what I would love to see would be the ultimate humiliation for the man: impeachment of a lame duck pResident!


Impeachable Offenses
by John Bonifaz and Bob Fertik
A president who has gone beyond the bounds of the Constitution and defied the rule of law deserves the ultimate constitutional punishment.
http://tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/10176
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Impeachable Offenses


John Bonifaz is an attorney in Boston and the author of Warrior-King: The Case for Impeaching George W. Bush (NationBooks-NY, January 2004). Bob Fertik is the co-founder of democrats.com, an independent community of Democratic activists.
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President George W. Bush—whose own election was dubious—has seized monarchical powers in sending this nation into war without any legitimate congressional declaration of war or equivalent congressional action. He has lied to the United States Congress and to the American people about the rationale for the war. He has imprisoned American citizens without charges and denied them access to lawyers and the courts. He has thus trampled on the United States Constitution and he has violated his oath of office.

This nation is at a crossroads. These are not simply issues to be debated in a presidential election. These are "high crimes" in the most profound meaning of the phrase, and they require the most serious of legal responses.

Our Constitution lays out a specific process for addressing high crimes committed by a president: impeachment. The time has come for Congress to investigate these crimes and begin impeachment proceedings. Our loyalty to our Constitution requires nothing less.

Marches, like those held on March 20, 2004, which drew hundreds of thousands of protesters, are important, but they are not enough. Petitions, like those initiated by MoveOn.org and its allies, calling for censure of the president are important, but they are not enough. Voter mobilization campaigns focused on defeating George W. Bush on Election Day are important, but they are not enough.

Impeachment is essential because George W. Bush should be labeled for who he is: A president who has gone beyond the bounds of the Constitution, who has defied the rule of law, and who therefore deserves the ultimate constitutional punishment.

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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 01:49 AM
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1. And once impeached
we can put him in an orange jumpsuit, shackles and manacles. I would love to see him busting rocks in the hot sun.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 01:53 AM
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2. Treason is a capital crime.
bushler deserves punishment to the fullest extent of the law, with extreme prejudice.

Poetic justice for his reign of bloody capital punishment terror in Texas.
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 01:57 AM
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3. I rather see him removed from office, Impeachment doesn't always
mean that, i.e. Clinton.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:00 AM
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4. Impeachment, strait jackets, and padded rooms
Edited on Thu Apr-01-04 02:02 AM by camero
For the whole lot of them. All of the neo-cons. For life.
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Kremer Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:11 AM
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6. The ultimate would be to have * taken to the Hague and tried for war
crimes. Once found guilty, he is sentenced to death and shipped to Huntsville, TX to sit on death row. He is then executed by lethal injection on live T.V. (preferably Faux News.) That would be a fitting irony for a lot of us Texans and Americans!!!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:19 AM
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8. I'm opposed to the death penalty
but 20,000 consecutive life sentences will do.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:05 AM
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5. I wish we would quit wasting our time with "impeachment."
The Repug-controlled Congress would never, never, never, NEVER, NEVER, NEEVVVERRRR vote to impeach President Gump, no matter what. NO MATTER WHAT. Get that through your heads.
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:16 AM
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7. You got that exactly right.
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:47 AM
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9. You're right
Impeachment is only for serious matters that threaten the nation. Like when a president lies about a blowjob.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 04:06 AM
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10. Correct. Won't happen with the GOP in control of all branches...
Not in a million years.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 04:26 AM
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11. 635 Is The Number...The Only Number
The 535 Representatives and 100 Senators...without a majority plus of those, why waste time with impeachment.

Yes, this regime has abused power on an impeachable level...especially with all the proven lies and the lowered standard on what is "high crimes and misdemeanors", but this is also a political act, not a criminal one and thus it doesn't stand in any form of legal logic.

We need control of both the House and Senate...and it can be done...even more so than we need the Executive to really put some skids on the Neo-Cons and prevent them from doing further damage.

We get 271 votes and then start the investigations...then be ready to tear the country apart. Oh, don't forget the 67 Senate votes you'd need to convict, too.

In both '74 and '98, the party out of power had control of the House and thus how the impeachment ball got rolling both times. Right now, impossible. And I doubt a majority of people in this country are up for another partisan witch-hunt...especially in light of what is sure to be a bitter partisan election.

I'd like to see a civil suit from an 911 family or Iraq victim and see how this regime could handle that...right now that's your only redress...and this regime and its corrupt party.

Want to really make a difference? Get out and find who the nearest Democrat running against an incumbent Repugnican...donate time and/or money. Then we'll chat about impeachement.
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