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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 11:45 AM
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It's up: Money, Access, and Stunning Security Flaws (new BBV rept)
Edited on Thu Apr-01-04 11:49 AM by BevHarris
It's here, with screen shots and links: http://www.blackboxvoting.org

I have heard that there will be a selective release of the Sequoia WinEds program into the wild later today.

Highlights:

Section 18575 of the California Elections Code makes it illegal for anyone other than an election officer to handle, count, or canvass ballots:

Every person is guilty of a felony, and on conviction shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three or four years, who at any election: (a) without first having been appointed and qualified, acts as an election officer, (b) not being an election officer, performs or discharges any of the duties of an election officer in regard to the handling, counting, or canvassing of any ballts.

This section provides that only authorized people, such as an election officer, may count votes. To the extent that an unauthorized person handles or counts votes, he or she is in violation of section 18575.

* * * * *

In Riverside County, California, I recently participated in the videotaping a statement that causes me concern.

On election night, March 2, two people who do not work for the County, Sequoia employees Michael Frontera and Eddie Campbell were observed to access the WinEds central tabulator during the middle of the count.

When, how, and by whom were Frontera and Campbell "appointed and qualified" as elections officers?

According to the California Elections Code section 18564, "Any person is guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in a state prison for two, three, or four years who, before or during an election:...(b) interferes or attempts to interfere with...ballot tally software program source codes..."

Thus, it certainly looks bad, and deserves a full written explanation, when a person who does not work for the County and is not even a resident of the state of California is typing instructions into the central tabulation program during the middle of a count on election night.

But could "typing into the computer" interfere with the software program source codes?

1. You can go in the front door to change the source code itself that controls the commands given to the central tabulator.



Changing the stored procedures after votes have been cast can do just about anything you want.

In this instance, neither Townsend nor anyone from Riverside County was observing what Frontera typed into the WinEds program during a live election, after vote-counting had begun. The entire election on March 2 in Riverside requires that we place our trust in Michael Frontera and Eddie Campbell, who may be the nicest of people, but at no point did the voters of Riverside approve of two guys from Denver getting control over 600,000 votes.

But there's more...

Riverside has a heavy hispanic population. The main part of the L&A test we observed did not test Spanish language ballots, and even if it had, there is no way to verify that the ballot definitions in the L&A test are identical to what was in the machines on election day.

In the WinEds program we examined, the Spanish language ballots can quite easily be altered by mapping the Spanish ballots to vote for Don when Spanish-speaking voters cast a vote for Ron.



The screen will indicate that they voted for Ron, but inside the machine, it will record the vote for Don, and there is no way whatsoever to verify that Hispanic voters' intent was correctly recorded, because there is no paper ballot.



In the WinEds program we examined, the code, when altered, defaulted to erase the manipulations upon closing the program. By creating ballots using the Spanish language manipulation, installing the ballots onto the touchscreens, then closing the program, our handiwork no longer existed when the program was reopened. Thus, if the Spanish-language manipulated code was used to load the polling place machines, then the program was closed, then reopened to load the ballots for the L&A test, the ballots would pass L&A while robbing Hispanic voters of their voice.

In Snohomish County, Washington, county auditor Bob Terwilliger admitted on the Mike Webb radio show that one of his employees did a patch on his Sequoia touch screen system. Later, at a League of Women Voters meeting, Terwilliger said that this patch was only to change a font.



However, because of the way the WinEds program is constructed, you can put programming in so that when you do a simple thing like change a font, it changes the way the vote is recorded.

You simply go into the font definition code, cut and paste your own into it -- code which can have nothing whatsoever to do with fonts -- and voila! Whenever someone innocently changes a font in a report, behind the scenes the program does something else.

On March 4, two days after the election, still in the middle of the count, while 5,000 absentee ballots were being counted, with only 72 votes separating two candidates from a mandatory runoff, Sequoia employee Eddie Campbell was observed outside the building by two citizens, Art Cassel and Brian Floyd. Campbell pulled a memory card out of his pocket, stuck it into the central tabulator, then took the card out of the elections division and later, out of the state. No one has yet answered any questions as to what was on that card or what he was doing.

According to California Elections Code section 18564, leaving the state with that card was almost certainly illegal. Section 18564, 2.:

Carry away or destroy ballots

A person may not carry away ballots...
"Every person is punishable by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by imprisonment in the state prison for 16 months or two to three years, or by both the fine and imprisonment, who: ... (d) adds to or mixes with, or attempts to add to or mix with, the ballots polled, any other ballots, while they are being counted or canvassed or at any other time ..., (e) carries away or destroys, attempts to carry away or destroy, or knowingly allows another to carry away or destroy, any poll list, ballot container, or ballots lawfully polled or who willfully detains, mutilates, or destroys any election returns (f) removes any unvoted ballots from the polling place before the completion of the ballot count."

Although this section appears to prohibit people from physically carrying ballots away or attempting to physically destroy ballots, a court may extend it to punish people who electronically remove items involved in counting elections from a mechanical voting tabulation device.

OK, believe it or not, there are still a couple more substantive new reports coming out this week. Thank you for your support -- the "Gonna Make a Visit" activities are revealing important information that will stimulate the implementation of better security measures before the November 4 election.

I put several questions for Mischelle Townsend and Sequoia's Alfie Charles at the end of the article. I'll share any answers they provide (as long as they are responsive and properly documented) later on at DU.

Bev Harris
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 11:48 AM
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1. Thank you so much for all your hard work
Bev, you are an inspiration. Thank you for all you are doing to expose the myriad problems with e-voting! Heading over there to do some reading!
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:00 PM
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2. a kick to a true patriot, Bev Harris
I want to give you a medal, Bev. No joke.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:01 PM
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3. Kick
This is important stuff. :thumbsup: Thanks again and again Bev.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:06 PM
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4. Bev, you are my hero!
:loveya:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:08 PM
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5. i read the vanity fair
article about bbv and you..you are an inspiration to all those who think they can`t do anything about a problem. keep on them ,maybe we can stop the theft of the next election
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:08 PM
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6. Please keep this up
Thanks Bev
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:09 PM
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7. YOU GO GIRL!
:wow:
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:18 PM
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8. Heh heh. Oh yeah, where did those screen shots come from?
Um, is that the disk you gave me?

Andy Stephenson was a significant part of this story. The computer programmer "matrix" we've tapped into are even bigger heroes.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:30 PM
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9. Hey Bev a couple of science magazines have climbed up on
your bandwagon with articles on the unreliability of machines without paper entries. There were a couple in the past month in Scientific American and I just got my new May issue of Discover magazine and they had an article about the hackability of the electronic machines and how there is no way to do a recount if there is a glitch. Sorry, they don't have it up on their website yet so I don't have a link, but check it out if you are near a magazine stand.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:42 PM
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10. Bev Harris
You deserve a medal for all your work on this!

I don't know if you get enough thanks for all your work, but you are really appreciated.

I see your image on a dollar coin in the distant future! :)

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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 01:13 PM
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12. The Flaws are Astounding- and Mounting
Diebold, Sequoia, hmmmmm, wonder if that is why I see reports of ES&S merging/partnering (?) with Vogue, to produce a ballot MARKING machine.

Vogue's system marked an optical scan ballot, didn't count it. Of course, you would want a different system to do the count, then you would want to audit the heck out of the optical scan manually, given what we know about optical scan computer counting.

Wonder if ES&S sees the writing on the wall?

Wonder why in blazes you NEVER see any media coverage of Avante and Accupoll, two companies with federally certified machines that DO produce voter verified paper ballots? A recent issue of Newsweek implied, AGAIN, that there were no voter verified paper ballot systems and that it would be too late for 2004, tough luck. Yet, there is a picture of Mercuri holding up the ballots. I was told that the magazine DID a photo shoot of one of the two above mentioned companies, but obviously, left that information out.

Paper in 2004- it can be done. Either pen and paper, or voter verified paper ballot machines. The Federal government can support paper ballots the old fashioned way for this election. It's a far cheaper alternative than the litigation that will ensue and the upgrades counties and states will face getting printers on machines that don't have them now.

Vote counting in the dark- that's UNAMERICAN folks.

Vote counting relegated to the few who understand the system- that's undemocratic in a representative democracy.

Stop HAVA- the act to fund undemocratic vote counting systems- or change that waste of paper to something that mandates voter verfied paper ballots with no option to interpret it otherwise.

You know how to raise your voices. No change takes place unless the base is solid- vote counting that accurately represents ciitizens true votes and that can be documented on a separate medium- paper, that ANYONE can read, no interpretive medium needed. Visually disabled have the audio review, of course, and that review on voter verified paper ballot machines was deemed HAVA and ADA compliant by the DOJ.

By the way, the next move by Sequioa will be to try and sell VoteHere's electronic verification scheme in their machines. That is still counting votes in the dark and takes away citizens ability to participate in their own democratic process.

Lack of interest in voting, as I think Lynn Landes has pointed out, began with the rudimentary, technological advances in vote counting. The further you remove people from the system, the more likely the system produces distrust and disinterest.

Use technology, sure. But never disenfranchise people from THEIR process. Employ/get volunteers to do random audits of the voter verified paper ballots. That's letting people reinvest in the democratic process. When people have a participatory investment in something, they tend to get involved.

HAVA was all about VOTER fraud, but does nothing, nothing, about INSIDER fraud. Sure, the system was cumbersome, but guess what? That very lumbering bear quality meant that voting shennanigans would be hard to carry off, limited, with the potential of getting caught. New systems, voting in the dark, are vote fraud's dream come true. And Congress was railroaded right into that trap.

So WHAT if news services have to wait for results? Here's the thing about news- they always want something you can't do and as soon as you produce a "miracle," (engineering-wise) they want more. They are insatiable. Nature of the beast. Democracy demands we rein in the beast on this one. How about news services that begin promoting accuracy over being first? There's a PR switch for you. After 2000, you would think accuracy would hold a little weight with the voting populace.

Keep banging at the doors with this story. It's the glue that will make all the other efforts and revelations meaningful.

Counting votes in secret is unamerican.

No ability to recount or audit votes is unamerican.
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harmonyguy Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 01:51 PM
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13. Bev & RedEagle - additional info...
...on this topic is in your email.
HG;)
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:00 PM
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15. Ummm...and I can't see it
because...

:shrug:
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harmonyguy Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:18 PM
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19. Y'see, there's a time and place for everything....
...right now, I'm out of time, and I'm in someone else's place...

HG
;-)
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:01 PM
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16. Thanks HG!
My, um, land-locked system still hasn' received, looking forward to it.

Folks, here's a true, unsung hero. You don't know the half of what HG has done for the cause.

Amazing, amazing, researcher, among other talents.


:loveya: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :loveya:
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harmonyguy Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:14 PM
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17. Well thanks,(blush)....but
...it's a group effort - everyone needs to do their bit.
The true heros are the ones who stand up front and speak the truth. Some of us (ie: me) can only hide behind our 'nyms and provide as much support as we can.

:grouphug:
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 01:52 PM
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14. RedEagle: Hear Hear! on the following points:
Wonder why in blazes you NEVER see any media coverage of Avante and Accupoll, two companies with federally certified machines that DO produce voter verified paper ballots?

Yeah. Why oh why are they ignoring these companies? Yet Alfie Charles wants me to make a big deal of the fact that last November Sequoia announced it will make a voter verifiable paper ballot, optional, and emphasizing the word "optional" -- apparently Nevada is giving that a try in September, but why the heck are the companies that really deserve the credit getting it?

Paper in 2004- it can be done. Either pen and paper, or voter verified paper ballot machines.

Yup. This latest talking point -- and a few people on OUR OWN SIDE have been using it -- that we can't solve this until after November 2004 -- that is just plain ridiculous. Last I checked, you can still buy pencils.

Vote counting in the dark- that's UNAMERICAN folks.

Yup. What some of even our own computer guys don't seem to understand -- though they have done a great job, and we need their voices on this issue -- is that the very idea of a couple of computer guys handling the vote is unAmerican. It must be counted IN PUBLIC. Who the heck gave up that right, on our behalf?

You know how to raise your voices.

Yes. People say, "legislators will never get behind this fast enough." Well guess what? Legislators do what's safe, and if citizens yell loud enough, it won't be safe for them to ignore this problem.

Lack of interest in voting, as I think Lynn Landes has pointed out, began with the rudimentary, technological advances in vote counting. The further you remove people from the system, the more likely the system produces distrust and disinterest.

Double hear-hear. The same election officials who are shills for invisible ballots like to tell us that people don't care about the vote. Well, these same officials absolutely hate it when people get truly interested. They hide the dates of L&A tests, and make it hard to get questions answered. Then they blame voters for becoming skeptical. Somehow, if we are voting in tangible ways and anyone can pile into the polling place in our own neighborhood to watch the counting (and, for absentee votes, watch on a Webcam installed every step of the way), we'd see people getting more interested. Make elections publicly financed, get the corporate money out, and it would get even more compelling.

Counting votes in secret is unAmerican.

No ability to recount or audit votes is unAmerican.


Yup. RedEagle nails it again.

Bev Harris
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 01:06 PM
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11. Bev, thanks again to you
and everyone else who's working so hard to spread the word on this immensely important issue.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:16 PM
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18. Great work Bev, Andy, RedEagle, etc.,
:yourock: This is just remarkable. You guys have been all over this thing like white on rice.

How do we go about recruiting more attorneys to start filing lawsuits around the country? Has MoveOn/George Soros offered to contribute any money or attention to this? I know you guys have had your hands full with doing the investigations, but I wish there was someone on the team who could help recruit top lawyers -- especially some that might work for free! -- to help save this Democracy before the election.

The article that came out today about the Florida legislature passing a law that "outlaws" recounts is one example of how the corporate mafia is stealing our rights through their powerful influence.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-fvote01apr01,0,4544242.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

If DU does NOTHING ELSE this election year, we need to organize and hit the streets, fax, e-mail, write, and call every elected official at every level of government about this -- and we need to start NOW!
TODAY!!

I remember how we all felt like we'd been kicked in the stomach after the 2002 elections. We're going to be in the very same situation come November if we can't do something about this. Anyone who has read the research KNOWS what's going on.

Gawd I love you guys! You're a remarkable team of patriots, and I'd give you a medal, too, if there was one to give. You certainly deserve it.

O8) Many blessings to all of you, and prayers for your continued safety and success! O8)

:kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick:
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 04:43 PM
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20. Beware the Silence on This Issue
They bash one book after publication,

They pre-bash another.

That's weird and makes me wonder if they want the attention off Clarke's book on on Woodward.

But the book they avoid: Black Box Voting.

Don't even want it in the mainstream mind.

Well, it's up to us to put it there.

Want your country back? Want the power back?

Honest, clean, accountable voting.

Keep this issue up front!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 05:06 PM
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21. Absolutely.
Of course, we're the choir here. The pressure has to be kept on the press and that's where we, the choir, can best help.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 06:44 PM
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23. Can we get Al Franken & Randi Rhodes to talk about it on Air America?
These first few days of their show, they're having a lot of "curiosity seekers" who may not listen for the long haul, but are sure tuning in now to see what the fuss is about.

If they'd get on board with BBV, and slam it home to listeners, we might have a chance. The time is ripe.

:kick::kick::kick:
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #23
30. I'll be on an Air America show Saturday
I think at 8 p.m. eastern (5 p.m. Pacific).

Thanks.
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harmonyguy Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 11:13 PM
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31. Cool - that was fast !
kick
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 12:55 AM
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32. Streaming Info?
Bet we don't have a west coast station yet in range.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 05:25 PM
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22. kick
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 07:16 PM
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24. Back up!
Much more important than April Fools threads! :) (IMHO)

:kick:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 07:38 PM
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25. kick
:kick:
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 07:41 PM
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26. Excellent work!
Thank you.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 08:40 PM
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27. In case Bev's site gets taken out I have mirrored the latest here...
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 08:44 PM
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28. Look what I found on Yahoo today.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 10:04 PM
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29. Althecat insuring the word gets out, at usual
A big THANKS!!!!


:hug: :yourock: :yourock: :hug:
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 01:44 AM
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33. Great job Bev!!
I will now pass this around.
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 02:01 AM
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34. Any link on security for non-electronic elections?
Like how do we ensure the election officers are not tampering?
Or how older mechanical voteing machines are tested?

Thanks
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 07:46 AM
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35. Good points. The whole thing needs an overhaul
But the urgency of the electronic systems is based on the size of the risk. In Riverside, the two guys from Denver (and later, just one guy from Denver) had access to over 600,000 votes. In Georgia, the Canadian guy had access to one million votes. The older methods only allowed tampering with a few hundred votes at a time.

That being said, another fairly urgent situation is to beef up controls on absentee votes, which have a gaping hole in chain of custody. I am watching from the wings as at least two absentee ballot-tampering situations unravel.

Bev
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 10:09 AM
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37. HAVA to be Examined?
I have heard, but not confirmed, that some Congessional committees are going to take another look at HAVA, and what happened to it.

However, I only see two witnesses currently who might tell the truth.

Anyone substantiate this?

If so, do all you can to put the skids on any purchases of touch screens without voter verified paper ballots in your area.

And get vocal about paper ballots in 2004.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 01:39 PM
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41. If there IS a congressional investigation - Bev & team need to testify
We should start pushing for this investigation NOW, and get the best of the best before the committee....with reporters present.

I'm glad the 9/11 issue is getting some good press, and I'm glad Rove is going to take a perp walk for his part in the Plame affair. But BBV is the MOST important issue for the future of Democracy, and it is urgent NOW.

I just want to see Bev's face in front of a congressional hearing, armed with some charismatic, eloquent computer hacks, and more information than they can even begin to fathom. With talking points about PRIMARY elections...and how this isn't a Dem issue, but an issue that could affect ANY of our congresscritters, and certainly affects our Democracy.

Thanks again for all you are doing...Bev, RedEagle, Andy, Althecat, etc., etc..

:yourock:

Bev, I can't wait to hear you on Air America! Way to go!!!

:kick::kick::kick::kick:

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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 03:06 PM
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42. Your link on internet voting
Edited on Fri Apr-02-04 03:08 PM by mulethree
the security analysis for the discontinued "test" system for oversees military voting.

Basically it said we need Fort Knox levels of security for
elections. Pointed out some vulnerabilities with current
absentee voting and so forth. And made me wonder how secure current
polling place and vote counting and such could be.

You are right, interference at one polling place could only affect
a relatively small number of votes without drawing suspicion. But from the 2000 election it appears that if you chose the right 1% of polling places, and tampered there at even low levels way below suspicious, you could have swung the election.

Pretty scarey but I haven't seen anything on it. I get the feeling that we have a voting system thats accurate to 2% but are having elections that are determined by under 1%. But I'm rather afraid that if they did the analysis and published it, there would be a huge pile of cash thrown at it and mostly wasted. Why not just require a "clear majority" and define that as winning by >3%.

But I'm getting all hypothetical here, since I don't really know the security measures in place for current voting.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 08:04 AM
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36. Wow! Stunning implications.
Good work!
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 10:45 AM
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38. FYI: I have added a temporary download link
Edited on Fri Apr-02-04 10:46 AM by BevHarris
to the article at my Web site. You'll have to scroll down to the section that specifies the flaws in the WinEds software. This link will only be live for a short time.

It releases the WinEds file into the wild. If you are a programmer, you can download it and relatively quickly confirm the security flaws for yourself. Your comments are welcome, of course.

Bev
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 12:57 PM
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39. This is The Issue That Will Kick it Over the Goal Posts
Clarke, Woodward (maybe), it's all short term if we don't fix the election system in this country.

Keep this on the front burner.

Kick!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 01:25 PM
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40. Kick!
:kick:
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 03:37 PM
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43. My favorite from blackboxvoting.org
"Recently, Registrar Mischelle Townsend made a peculiar statement. She said that she could see why people might rig slot machines, because there is money involved, but she could not imagine why anyone would have a motive to rig an election."

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:33 PM
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44. Kick
:kick:
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 06:07 PM
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45. Background for Bev's Most Recent Post
Now, who keeps Ms. Townsend in office and why?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 06:10 PM
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46. RedEagle
Thanks to you too, for all your hard work!

:yourock:

I'm starting to think with the lack of progress on Graham's & Holt's bills, that this will have to be addressed by the grassroots in each state in order to ensure this election is legit. :(
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 08:01 PM
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47. Thanks ya'll
When ya have stupidvisors of elections clinging to these machines and an uninterested populace looking the other way, it seems as if no end is in sight.

It's amazing how ya'll keep plugging along! Ya'll are making history!

Good luck.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 12:46 AM
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48. kick nt
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