What is it with all of the bad reviews on Air America? - RANT-

[xultar]

My goodness, Liberals, Democrats, again shooting in a circle again.

The only person on AA who has had extensive radio experience is

RANDI RHODES

The others aren't radio personalities. I have done radio. Back-in-the-day.

Radio is difficult. You have to think of things to say...for 3+ hours a day.

PLUS there is lots of technology in there, computers.

For AA's first day they have done an exceptional job. Regarding Scripts, they gotta make sure they get it right. You can't blame them for scripting. Not that it is a script that they read word for word. But they know what they are going to say before they come in. That helps with making things smooth and conversation flow.

To get back to all of the NAMBY PAMBY complaining about AA here @ DU. Would you rather there not be an AA? Would you rather side with the RW and say that we are going to fail?

Get WITH IT PEOPLE. Quit complaining and get to supporting. We need AA. I can't believe all the complaining here @ DU about AA.

[onehandle]

1. Yeah, but...

What's with the lack of racist hate-mongering?

Hasn't AA learned Anything from Rush?

How can they succeed?

:P

[xultar]

2. No $shit, maybe then we wouldn't complain. n/t

[movonne]

3. I would never complain...It is so good to have liberal radio. This is

just the 2nd day give them a chance. Could some of this be Freeper talk. It just seems to me that everyone should be so glad to have a Liberal station.

[xultar]

5. There are some nasty posts re: AA. You'd think we'd all be jumping

with joy to finally get the truth.

BUT noooooooooooooooooooooooooo

the Stealth Freepers here are all in trashing it.

[Goldmund]

4. NO, I would not there rather not be an AA.

Also, I like Rhandi Rhodes, a lot. And I'll listen to her every day.

But I absolutely abhore the "GET WITH IT" attitude. I'm not a freeper, I'm not the Borg, I'm not in the goddamn military, and I'm not going to GET WITH anyone or anything. I have reactions, and I have suggestions on how to make things better, and things that I think would make Rhandi better and more effective, and I'm not about to do my part to make the left of the political spectrum as mindless and single-minded as the right are.

[xultar]

6. Great, make it better, email, contact, call, write, smoke signals...

I agree.

But geez it is only their second day.

Even the RW gave Savage a few weeks.

[Goldmund]

And I agree with you.

And I have no intention of giving up on Randi or anyone at AA anytime soon. But that doesn't mean that I'm not going to voice my opinions.

I have already emailed them, by the way.

[nostamj]

14. where did you find an email address?

there's only snail mail on the website... :shrug:

[xultar]

17. Well write them then. They would love to hear your feedback. n/t

[Goldmund]

19. [e-mail]

Subject: LISTENER FEEDBACK

[nostamj]

32. she's still getting ClearChannel mail?

i had that address, looking for one for Air America...

[sangh0]

12. And there ya go!

as mindless and single-minded as the right are.

When you call the people who disagree with you "mindless and single-minded" your words cease to be "suggestions" and become "insults"

[Goldmund]

16. What?????

Was your pulling that so utterly out of context intentional?

My response was to a post that was admonishing those who criticize anyone and anything at AA.

I was disagreeing with the sentiment because I felt it was equivalent to calling for single-mindedness.

Get it?

[sangh0]

24. And saying that is insulting, not constructive

Saying that someone elses opinion is an example of "single-mindedness" is NOT constructive.

[Goldmund]

28. THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS SAYING.

I was saying that their opinion amounted to a call for single-mindedness, not that it is an example of single-mindedness.

Can you see the difference?

[sangh0]

29. Saying that someone else's opinions "amount to a call for singlemindedness

is insulting.

Why are you wiggling around the point? Using such extreme mischaracterizations is insulting. If you suspect someone wants "single-mindedness" then ask them what they mean.

You're the one who is calling for single-mindedness. You want everyone to agree that Nader should have been allowed to speak freely.

[Goldmund]

31. You're amazing.

This is the second discussion I've gotten into with you in which you absolutely don't listen to the other person's arguments, but simply keep rehashing your own, regardless of the response.

Let me quote you the post I originally responded to:

"Get WITH IT PEOPLE. Quit complaining and get to supporting."

In case you think that quote is out of context, go read the whole post.

It is clearly a call for single-mindedness -- whether that is insulting or not isn't the issue, the issue is that I don't at all think I was out of line to call that a call for singlemindedness.

Again, this is the end of this discussion, as far as I'm concerned. I know it means a lot to you to have the last word, so you can have it.

OnEdit: I want everyone to agree that Nader should be allowed to speak freely? That's really rich! I expressed an opinion (that he should have been allowed to speak freely), but didn't append it with "get with it people!".

[sangh0]

33. more bs

I expressed an opinion (that he should have been allowed to speak freely), but didn't append it with "get with it people!".

You keep trying to portray yourself as merely "offering an opinion" (though you have thankfully dropped the "constructive" bs) but your obsession with posting your "opinion" over and over makes your intent clear.

[Goldmund]

47. I told you --

-- I wasn't counting on sangh0's razor-sharp wit and X-Ray mental perception, which stopped my insidious intent dead in its tracks.

[mouse7]

7. Don'tcha love liberal circular firing squads

We don't need to wait for Bush to beat us. We'll kill ourselves before Bush ever gets a shot as us.

[xultar]

8. AMEN, you are soooo true. That is our main problem. nt

[BeHereNow]

9. Finally: We agree on something M7!

Maybe there is hope?
Your Elitist DU Friend,
BHN

[supernova]

13. Sadly, I have to agree

I spent more time yesterday defending AA here at DU than I care to admit.

We are deeply insecure about ouselves so we want something to be perfect from the get go. Ain't gonna happen though.

[vi5]

10. What are we freepers? Why can't we constructively criticize?

I've worked in radio too. But that doesn't mean I think that contructive criticism should be shouted down. In fact quite the contrary. After my first days doing it, it was only the criticisms of friends and family that made me get better at what i did.

There have been a few glaring issues that I think need to be ironed out. If we don't point it out and they don't try to fix what may be wrong then it's only going to fail and a lot of us don't want it to fail.

If they are going on the air and touting themselves as "liberal radio" or "progressive radio" then they are doing it in the name of what I regard to be my ideology. And I would rather that be represented in the best way possible.

[sangh0]

15. Phrases like "as mindless and single-minded as the right are"

are NOT "constructive criticism", and the statements being amde about AA are along those lines.

in the name of what I regard to be my ideology.

It's not YOUR ideology. Didn't you learn how to share?

Randi represents no one but her own bad self

[mouse7]

18. "John Doe SUCKS!!!!!" is not constructive criticism

If someone wants to post strengths and weaknesses as they see them, nobody is going to say anything against them. But when the rhetoric about relating those strengths and weaknesses is, "I HATE YOU RANDI, DIE DIE DIE!!!!" it just gets ridiculous.

Rhodes chewing gum on the air has been responded to as if she had dropped cluster bombs on an orphanage. There's been some completely out of proportion comments around here. There are some people around here I wonder if are just completely incapable of relating constructive criticism.

[vi5]

22. I guess I haven't read any of those....

I posted a few things I thought were minor quibbles about style and such from a former radio person perspective. And just some reservations about whether the whole shebang will prove successful or not. But I haven't seen any outwardly negative or hateful posts. I'm glad I didn't see them.

[sangh0]

25. I've seen several comparing Randi to a Freeper and to O'Reilly

you can even read it in this thread

[mouse7]

27. They're impossible to miss.

Don't tell me you don't see the "So does Randi ever shut the F*ck-up and listen?" thread that's right underneath this one on the board.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1326876

I think you missing those thread was one of of convenient spells of forgetfulness that the reThugs are always claiming they are having. It makes one wonder how you people who are so forgetful function in your day to day lives.

[sangh0]

30. Well, that was really "constructive"

,

[mouse7]

38. It's the truth.

When he posted that he didn't "see" the hateful posts, the "Does Randi ever shut the f*ck up" post was right next to it on the GD board. The claim that the hateful posts couldn't be seen needed to be shown for the crap it was.

[sangh0]

40. I'm agreeing with you mouse7

I'm very sarcastic.

[vi5]

44. Thanks for telling me what I did and didn't see...

Anything else you'd care to clue me in to that I might have missed?

[vi5]

42. Boy, you got me pegged.....I missed some threads...

so I must be a freeper.

Boy you are spot-on. Nothing gets past you.

If you get a chance, perhaps you can send me a list of approved things that I can criticize and what level of criticism I am allowed without being considered a freeper.

[xultar]

21. Glaring issues........ they have barely been on the air for 24hrs! n/t

[sangh0]

26. Bingo!

They claim to be offering "constuctive" criticism, but instead of being constructive, their unreasonable standards (ie "perfection") are not constructive.

Neither is their hyperbole like "glaring" issue, and "completely disillusioned"

[FlaGranny]

11. No, they would rather that no guest got interrupted and

everyone was sweet and accommodating. Just shut up and listen - don't actually say something, it might bother someone.

[rocktivity]

20. You're absolutely right

In fact, I've already trademarked their nickname AirAm^®©

I'll set up a PayPal account where you can send my royalty payments.

:headbang:
rocknation

[ParanoidPat]

23. Operation Infinite Freep.......

.....Lots of idiots over there have signed up here under multiple names to try to disrupt us. The only problem is that they are too stupid to realize that we have good memories and a killer search function to keep track of their previous posts and use their own 'questions' and 'comments' to spread the truth every time they try! LOL! :evilgrin:

The best part is that you can use their posts to point out the lack of 'lock step' thinking on this site. :) :thumbsup:

If you haven't read Howard Stern's 'Private Parts', (or seen the movie) there is a great part in it about the network exec's trying to figure out the demographics of Stern's audience and what made him so popular. In short, people either loved him or hated him.

The people who loved him listened to him for more hours a day than any other 'jock' at the time and the reason they cited was that they "wanted to hear what he would say next"! The strange part is, the people who HATED him listened even longer than those that LOVED him! The reason they cited was....

:bounce:"They wanted to see what he would say next!":bounce:

[KittyWampus]

34. Most Criticism Has Been Constructive, Thoughtful & Valid

why it's unacceptable to critique something is beyond me.

[KittyWampus]

36. Post Script, WHY Is Rhandi The Only One W/Experience

my question here is about whether American doesn't have any experienced, left wing radio personalities AS YET UNDISCOVERED that could be on.

There are college radio stations throughout the country with experienced talent.

Anyway, nothing comes out of the womb full grown.

There's always room for improvement.

[PatGund]

35. Listened to it in San Diego

Looks like I was able to get KBIA 1580 AM down here, so listened to Franken while I was out fixing a researcher's computer.

Personally, I liked it. Not quite as polished as some radio, but quite enjoyable. (then again, one of my guilty pleasures is listening to Art Bell, and some of the nutcases he has on his show makes almost anyone outside of the right wingnuts easier to listen to.)

[snooper2]

37. Because some people just get on the Internet to Bitch

because they drove everyone out of their real lives that they bitched to.

JMHO

[eleny]

39. Right! Let these complainers go listen to Alan Colmes archives

Or go here to find something else that may suit them
http://www.zianet.com/insightanalytical/radio.htm

I'm with you. Randi is amazing. She fills the air without many guests. Her callers are more like a springboard for her to disseminate facts and ammunition for us. If people had any brains, they'd kleep a pen and pencil handy while she's on the air. This woman is a powerful left wing asset.

[bobbyboucher]

41. Rhodes was bad.

She needs to reconsider her hysteria.

[wyldwolf]

43. Rhodes was great

She shouldn't reconsider anything.

Afterall, she is #1, kicking Rush's ass in the ratings.

[tishaLA]

46. Hysteria is an interesting word to choose

when referring to Ms. Rhodes.

From the Oxford English Dictionary:
Women being much more liable than men to this disorder, it was originally thought to be due to a disturbance of the uterus and its functions: cf. HYSTERIC and the Ger. term mutterweh. Former names for the disease were vapours and hysteric(al) passion.

Citations: 1615 CROOKE Body of Man 326 Hysterical women, that is, such as are in fits of the mother. 1704 J. HARRIS Lex. Techn. s.v. Clavus, Dr. Sydenham calls such a Pain in the top of the Head of Hysterical Persons, Clavus Hystericus. 1803 BEDDOES Hygëia ix. 184 The epileptic, the hysterical, the hypochondriac. 1818 SCOTT Hrt. Midl. x, The unfortunate young woman..finally fell into a hysterical fit. 1822-34 Good's Study Med. (ed. 4) I. 688 It has sometimes been denominated hysterical fever. 1880 BEALE Slight Ailm. 72 Hysterical girls are very apt to lose their appetite for a time.

[MoonRiver]

45. I love it.

Can't imagine why any Dem would complain about it.