Solve the Nader problem: Get Dean out there!

[absyntheNsugar]

Nader enlists a lot of unregistered voters, but so did Dean. Solution is simple now - get Dean out there to the campuses, etc, and steal those Nader voters!

And once again Dean will save our party's ass :)

[Sterling]

1. Dean would have kept Nader out of the race.

The choice was ours and some how we ended up with a candidate that pissed off our base. If we would have nominated someone who voted against the IWR or patriot act he would have stayed out.

[NewHampster]

5. but thats Ralphs problem not ours.

This party can't appease everyone and if he can't act like a grownup when our guy loses then screw him. Lets turn the Dr. loose and show Nader what a Party is.

[Dookus]

6. Why do you presume that?

Dean isn't any more "left" than Kerry. In fact, he's a proud centrist.

Why would Nader defer to Dean but not Gore or Kerry?

[NewHampster]

10. nader said he would stay out if Dean was the nom

but he's an egotistical baby so who knows if he meant it

[absyntheNsugar]

16. Because he is very good at getting unregistered voters on board

and can steal away all the Nader voters...

20. because he said he would

n/t

[Padraig18]

2. I agree.

We need Howard out on the campaign trail. If anyone can cut Ralph off at the knees, he can. :thumbsup:

[NewHampster]

3. But I keep hearing that he'd be a bad running mate!

B.S. I agree, Dean connects with the un-connected.

He is the best choice to stump 24x7 and be the next VP.

[Dookus]

7. unfortunately

electoral concerns don't really make him an attractive VP candidate. He doesn't carry any states we need, and two Northeasterners together isn't very balanced.

Plus, despite his popularity here, he was never able to transform that into actual votes.

[NewHampster]

9. nay - Nobody can gaurantee a state

Look at Gore.

That Northern/Southern bs has been thrown out and we're talking about carrying a country not just one state.

[Dookus]

11. of course it's not a guarantee

but it would be supremely naive to think that the choice can't have an effect.

Dean could help in Vermont, but nowhere else.

I'm not saying the VP needs to be a southerner. But another Northeasterner will not be chosen, nor should one be.

[NewHampster]

12. right now we have mostly 2 Texaases

Rayguns had another Westerner/Texan

What the F are we scared of?

That is Their Rule they got the Dems to believe in so we'd worry more about where people are from than who they are.

We need the best two people period.

[Dookus]

13. I agree

and Dean is not the best person for the job, no matter where he's from.

[NewHampster]

15. But the "best" person doesn't want to be VP again

And we need someone who can excite the masses as much as we are excited about beating shrub. We DUers would be fine with John Kerry and some boring sidekick but if we want to win this thing we need to think outside the box, outside normal politics and way outside the rules the repugs have laid down for us.

[mzmolly]

19. Actually Dean is the best person. Him or Gore.

:shrug:

[Dookus]

21. No disrespect, but why?

he did so horribly in the primaries, how could that help in the GE?

[mzmolly]

25. Horribly? He was the front runner until people ran scared due to media

scrutiny. In fact, unprecidented media scrutiny considering the lack of any real scandal in his run for office.

However, allow me to address your point:

He could help tremendously by doing what he did all along-telling the truth and not being afraid to do it.

Did you see the standing O he got at the unity dinner? Did you see the praise from Clinton/Carter?

That ought to give you a taste of what Dean "can do."

[Dookus]

28. HIs media scrutiny

was in no way "unprecedented". He just didn't do well under it.

The fact is, he was unable to turn whatever popularity he had into votes, and that is a quality we will need in a VP candidate.

[regnaD kciN]

24. Maybe Dean should move to California...

...Oregon, or Washington. That way he could be picked as a "western" candidate for ticket balance.

(Before you laugh, remember how Cheney decided his new "residence" was his vacation home in Wyoming, even though he lived in Texas?)

[absyntheNsugar]

17. Yes, but even if he's not the VP

He can contribute efforts (as he is doing now)

He just needs to stump the college campuses for Kerry.

[Robin Hood]

4. Dean has endorsed Kerry.

Still hasn't stopped Saint Ralph from being a repub operative.

[Old and In the Way]

8. I agree, Howard would be a great asset for Kerry to tap into.

Howard tells it like it is and he can expose the Pied Piper's tired old tune that "there's no difference, blah,blah,blah".

[NewHampster]

14. gotta drive home so I'm kicking this mother

:nuke:

[mzmolly]

18. Dean for veep would solve that pesky Nader issue too.

;)

[NewHampster]

22. nothin like some old time lively primary chat

:spank:

[mzmolly]

27. Indeed.

;)

[ozone_man]

23. That's right.

If Dean were VP candidate, he would solidify the antiwar vote, the Nader vote, some of the Libertarians, i.e. fiscal conservatives. The fact that he didn't do that well in the primaries was more a function of unfair media and dirty tricks by other candidates. I don't know if status quo Kerry will allow that to happen, but that would be his best choice. I think he runs the risk of being painted as a perennial Washington insider, on both sides of every issue, etc. He vote for Bush's key initiatives the past few years, so what does he run on? Having two insiders like Kerry and Edwards is no better.

[mzmolly]

26. I totally agree.

The way I see it Dean is the STRONGEST choice for VP.

He evens out Kerry on so many issues.

[Capn Sunshine]

29. ----------

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[mzmolly]

32. "????????????"

????????? ! :shrug: ;)

Edited to add: :hi:

[NewHampster]

30. The Why of Howard Dean IMHO

I'm enjoying this and I offer this to dookus etal.

Even if Dean pulled in zero votes and zero states he is still the best choice for VP. here's why IMHO

I preface this by stating my firm commitment to John Kerry demonstrated by my personal fund raising of over $2200 in the last week.

Many Dean supporters have had a tough time with Kerry not because of his politics but because of what is perceived as a huge target for the disgusting Rove tactics of distraction, wedge and divide. We're already seeing this in how snowboard mishaps are made issues and how many homes one owns are made into a negative. I don't want to get into that at all here. The Kerry record and Rove's dirty work are not the point of this post.

Howard Dean is the ultimate Bad cop to Kerry's Good cop. He's the free speaking foil ready to take the heat off Kerry and like any good campaigner, Kerry can poo poo Howard and always distance himself from his slightly uncontrollable running mate. And while taking the media heat, telling it like it is and avoiding political correctness, Howard Dean just may get the ear of people on both sides who have been turned off by the PC revolution.



:kick:

[mzmolly]

33. Egzzzactamundo!

;)

[NewHampster]

35. thanks MzMolly

you the best

[mzmolly]

36. Nuh - uhhh,

YOU the best! :hi:

[TNOE]

31. I think Dean could bring in hundreds of thousands of voters

let's not forget - he was bamboozled..... He would definitely pull a ton of votes from Nader.

http://rense.com/general49/deandeb.htm

[NewHampster]

34. I loved that report from AZ

I'm not sure if it is your site in the link. The canvassing report is historical stuff but I backed into the parent site and got to the great image bank. Some of them are wonderful but I feel its time to clean up the Anti-K stuff. No need to give the Rovian Freepers anymore ammo. My own lousy blog http://www.george2.org was a cesspool of fun images that I've since deleted to be replaced in the coming months with King George and Chains stuff.

:kick: