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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:46 PM
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Randi Rhodes: "RobGeorgia"
Did...anyone...else...here...just...hear...this?

This means war.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:47 PM
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1. DON'T DO THAT!
You're KILLING us office slaves!

TELL!

Please. :D
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. Apparently
In the election where both Max Cleland was defeated AND a Republican Gov was elected, they found a software patch in a file named Rob Georgia .
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #5
18. Not a patch,
that was the name of the folder that contained the patches which were used.

Covered in the book in chapter 11.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
http://www.blackboxvoting.com
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:58 PM
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23. Thanks
I was inprecise in my description.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. just as long as you didnt'

<shudder>

misspeak
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #5
51. Rob was the name of the person using the folder (nt)
nt
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 08:37 PM
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53. Well, yes, that's what we thought
Rob was a tech (see the Vanity Fair article) who worked for Diebold. Only trouble is, Rob started working for Diebold *after* the folder was created.

It is still possible that the folder was for someone named Rob, but Bev searched all over for him and never found a second Rob. Diebold denied having any Rob, as did Georgia. So, the question is still up in the air.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
http://www.blackboxvoting.com
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:53 PM
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11. The Software Patch in Georgia

During the last election in Georgia all polls predicated a Democratic victory in the US Senate and GA Gubenatorial races, Republicans ended up winning the actual election. Diebold put a software patch on Georgia's election system just prior to their last election. The patch was named "robgeorgia".

So why did they call it that?
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:55 PM
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16. you need to read the April Vanity Fair
for details. (and, duh, BLACK BOX VOTING)

'rob' is interviewed along with Bev
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:00 PM
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28. For a very good recap of the last year
in BBV, check out the link on blackboxvoting.com to a storied in Wired News.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
http://www.blackboxvoting.com
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:47 PM
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2. Yup
This is pissin' me off.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:48 PM
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3. Randi has been FIERCE on BBV issues
long before this gig! (hell, she was in FLORIDA!)

we gotta get Bev and Andy on her show.

(does she do guests?)

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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:50 PM
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6. Yes she "does" guests...she "did" Nader on her first show!!!
It was magnificent....

The woman is a TIGRESS I tell ya', take no prisoners, no bullshit, don't gimme that apologist crap, TIGRESS!!!


I LOVE HER!!!!
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:52 PM
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9. was that a guest (nader)

or dinner?

of course, she chewed him up and spit him out....
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:54 PM
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14. hehehe!
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:51 PM
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8. Bev will be on Air America Saturday 8:00 p.m. EST
She's already on top of this!!!

:kick::kick::kick::kick:
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:53 PM
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12. cool
I thought weekends were repeats...

she'd get a bigger audience (and a passionate advocate) going on with Randi though...
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:48 PM
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4. The caller was David from California
Must of been David Dill ..

Great informative call
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:54 PM
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15. Actually, it was David from NC <g>
I had called in to give her an update on the latest news and encourage folks to visit Bev's web site for the latest news about skullduggery in California, but she got carried away on Georgia. <s>

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
http://www.blackboxvoting.com
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #15
33. opps ...LOL
got to go clean my ears out ...

carolina/califoronia :crazy:
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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #15
46. Just bought 2 books today due to your interview
been meaning to do it for too long. My library will be getting both of them shortly.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. Why, thank you!
We appreciate your support.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
http://www.blackboxvoting.com
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:50 PM
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7. Oh... BBV... *that* RobGeorgia
Yep... why Bob Graham's bill in the senate has only four co-sponsors is SO AGGRAVATING!
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k in IA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:52 PM
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10. I heard her - Where did she hear it from?
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #10
35. Chapter 11
of Black Box Voting.

http://thoughtcrimes.org/bbv/bbv_chapter-11.pdf

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
http://www.blackboxvoting.com
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:53 PM
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13. americanstranger is the caller now
:D
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. Is he a DU'er?
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. Of course I am!!
Whaddya.....? :)

That was fun. Only took me three days to get through...

-as

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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #19
24. That was my first time trying,
took me an hour.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
http://www.blackboxvoting.com
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #17
20. Yep!
For a year now.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
http://www.blackboxvoting.com
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. Dave, was that you earlier?
Good job if it was.

-as
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #22
32. Yep!
But, now I'm pissed. I missed you call when my feed died.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
http://www.blackboxvoting.com
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. you guys were both great!
:thumbsup:

dp
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. YES
Edited on Fri Apr-02-04 04:58 PM by nostamj
he's also half of the Take Back The Media team! and flash artist extraordinaire!

(and a nice guy too)

www.takebackthemedia.com

CHECK it out!
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. Randi gave us a nice plug....
I think she should have a hotline for guys named Don. That was a dman long wait, but worth it :)

-as
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. So is there anything we can do about
this?
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. do you mean about BBV issues?

the answer is YES.

go here:

www.blackboxvoting.org

for details!
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #25
30. good.
i missed the call <pout>

what about the hotline for guys named jeff that call guys named
"Guy" though???
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #30
34. So we're basically screwed
Edited on Fri Apr-02-04 05:09 PM by BrentTaylor
No matter what? Since there is no paper trail?
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. it needs to be an OVERWHELMING
turnout.

if it's 'close' they can steal it.... (as history has shown)
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. A lot of people are working hard on this issue. You can help them.
Go to:

www.blackboxvoting.org

www.blackboxvoting.com

www.verifiedvoting.org

Some articles on this topic here at DU.

This issue has been covered in several lead articles in the NY Times. Last month's Vanity Fair had a very long article on the topic, featuring Bev Harris, whose site is the first link above. Salon and Wired have done extensive coverage on it. There are some bills pending in Congress to correct the problem.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. the .org
site is the activist site and you can find out what you can do and what investigations are going on.

The .com has news about Bev's book and various media stories.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
http://www.blackboxvoting.com
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. I just feel so bad
Edited on Fri Apr-02-04 05:35 PM by BrentTaylor
now. The election is probably going to be close no matter what
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. YOU are a fabulous example of the power of Air America!
You hadn't heard of this issue before today. But now you want to do something about it. That's exactly what we need to happen. Everybody's got to know about this.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. What are our Senators doing
about this?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #41
42. Other DUers could answer better, but I think Hillary has introduced a bill
And Rush Holt has a bill in the House.
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SideshowScott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #25
43. She gave you guys a great plug yesterday too
Are you dating Randi or something? :) HEY Hands off my woman..Hee.
Really a gal like Randi..Sigh!
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 01:48 AM
Response to Reply #21
61. Who is half the TBTM team?
Thanks.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #13
50. Good God! Are we the only ones listening & calling in?
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 06:10 PM
Response to Original message
44. LOL Randi is playing the Rush "I'm a Nazi" song
She's even singing along ...LOL

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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #44
45. That is a MASTERFUL piece of editing
I hope she posts an MP3

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
http://www.blackboxvoting.com
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ramblin_dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #45
52. BuzzFlash has it
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 06:55 PM
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48. The April issue of Vanity Fair has a huge BBV article with this info...
and Bev Harris is a major part of the article. You have to read this. HAVE TO! The "rob Georgia" part is just the tip of the iceburg.

The article is called "How Unsecure Are This Election's Voting Machines" by Michael Shnayerson.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 09:59 PM
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54. Folks, you need to know this
Edited on Fri Apr-02-04 10:35 PM by BevHarris
1. David Allen and Plan Nine's contract was revoked by my attorney in March. He seems to be daring me to waste the time and money I'm spending suing Diebold and 18 county registrars on suing him for an injunction.

The only authorized version is Amazon under publisher "Talion" March 2004 edition on 24-hour availability.

Don't say "oh, it's so sad, they were such a team." This was my work product, folks. My research. My time. My publicity efforts. My proofing. My structural editing (didn't get that, either). My fact checking. My Pulitzer-Prize deserving work.

Plan Nine sales accounted for to date:
November: 0
December: 0
January: 0
February: 0
March: 0
April: 0

According to the contract, sales reports and royalties due on the 15th of each month.

I'll tombstone myself, mods.

There. It's public. I'm sure you'll hear some pack of lies, but come back with this: David -- print the sales reports on your Web site. Show us. Explain this to us.

Apparently this guy thought I gave up a year and a half of my life to write a book for free. I know you like him. Just understand that every book you buy from Plan Nine does not benefit me a whit. Nevermind what the contract says. This guys has completely ignored my attempts to reason with him over his multiple breaches of contract. He ignored my lawyer, too. So go ahead. Line his checkbook some more. Just don't delude yourself that he does one damn thing to promote this book, he's actually blocked its distrubution, and he sure as hell doesn't pay on time.

Or at all.

Or even account for anything.

I just went and tombstoned myself. Save the mods some trouble.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. The link is wrong. Here's the right Amazon link
I clicked on your link above. It took me to Amazon but to a non-existent page. Here's the link for the Black Box Voting book

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/104-3806723-6482343
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #55
56. Hmm... that doesn't seem to work either
I know I'm late to this discussion, but for the sake of completeness...

Black Box Voting on Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/192946245X
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 01:30 AM
Response to Reply #56
57. Incorrect.
Edited on Sat Apr-03-04 01:31 AM by BevHarris
The only correct link is this: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1890916900

The link in the above reply is something now being sold without authorization. The ONLY authorized version is ISBN 1-890916-90-0 by Talion Publishing.

Do the right thing, David. I want to see both the PayPal donation reports and the sales reports on your web site or in my inbox by Monday at 5 p.m., along with all payments due.

Basically, what David Allen did, was steal a book, folks. And you don't know the half of it.

Anyone here wonder why it took 4 months to get on Amazon? That is a 48-hour process. He declined to distribute it that way. Anyone wonder why his version has a 14-day delivery time and the Talion version has 24-hour delivery? Because he refused to give Amazon its STANDARD CUT.

This is a man who has hoarded 100% of every book sold.

Put up or shut up, David. Publish the sales reports. I just got off the phone with a North Carolina voting rights advocate who is helping me line up local counsel to seek an injunction.

Bottom line, folks: This is unpatriotic. This is an incredibly important book, and it needs to be properly distributed. In more ways than one, David Allen has refused to distribute it or market it.

I have yet to receive review copies, as require by the contract. I did a $5000 PR job myself, usually done by the publisher, and had to borrow money to print books myself in order to have review copies for the press.

People call every day, frustrated at the weak bookstore availability. Ask David about that. I've had two massive distribution deals killed because he won't step out of the way.

David: It's time for you to cut a check. It costs nothing to send a simple accounting on the 15th, as is required. Why are you five months delinquent on even sending sales reports?

People on DU: Is it true that Plan Nine has sold zero books?

Funny. I found 11 of them in a Washington bookstore from Plan Nine. I was called by a person who had ordered 30 from David. Another organization had ordered a case of books. David told me he's been running credit cards since December.

By the way, I have nothing to do with the "BlackBoxVoting.com" web site. David writes that, and never consults me on it. He often takes my original research and republishes it saying "we" got it from "our" sources.

There is no "we." There is no gray area on this. And for anyone who wonders why it took so long, when the book was written by November and didn't ship until nearly February (takes 10 days to professionally print, I know, I did it myself) -- David Allen stuck me -- yes, the AUTHOR -- with typesetting and proofing the book. When is the last time you heard of an author having to typeset her own book? (nowadays it's called "interior book design")

This typically costs from $1,500 to $3000. He paid me nothing. Just sat there on his butt.

I've kept quiet, but I literally can't stand to see this guy keep bragging and stuffing his pockets. The reason it isn't in the hands of every American is that David Allen has stood squarely in the way of every major distribution contract. The reason I can't get a simple piece of paper telling me what is sold? Good question.

I have been pulling my hair out. Finally, in California, I spoke with a number of activists, who advised me: It won't be pretty, but you've got to out this guy.

So there it is. David has assured me that if I tell anyone, "I am embarrassing myself."

No. What's embarrassing is trying to explain to Time Magazine why I had to typeset my own book. What's embarrassing is being invited to Gore Vidal's house in Hollywood and explaining why you can't buy this book. It's time to put David into a giant Time-Out box, until he does three things:

1) publish the complete accounting for his PayPal contributions and book sales of Black Box Voting to date. Or send it to me -- I'll publish it myself. Glad to do the same for my own.

2) pays everything due the author to date, including a reasonable fee for having me have to typeset my own book, and a reasonable fee for the proofing (he submitted it to me after typesetting and "editing" with something like 56 typos).

3) it's time for David to execute a statement that I now have ALL rights to sell Black Box Voting, so that I may assign these to a qualified distributor and get the book into the stores.

I'd have been much nicer if it hadn't come to this, but I've been pretty damn patient for five months now. At this point, this is my life's work and it will get proper distribution, period.

Thank you and good night.

I'm trying to be tombstoned but I guess you can't do that. So mods, get rid of me, it's fine. I concur with Jim March on this: Bring it on, David. Make my day.

Bev Harris










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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 01:36 AM
Response to Reply #56
59. No, that is the link to the book
Bev doesn't want you to buy.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 01:35 AM
Response to Reply #54
58. *sigh*
Bev, I so hoped that you would get over whatever has possessed you to behave in such a manner of late. I hoped you would show good judgment in this matter and work it out privately so as not to damage your standing or bring question to what we are trying to do. I thought that protecting democracy was what was important.

Sadly, this seems not to be so.

David Allen and Plan Nine's contract was revoked by my attorney in March. He seems to be daring me to waste the time and money I'm spending suing Diebold and 18 county registrars on suing him for an injunction.

Lawyers do not have the power to "revoke" contracts. To revoke a contract you must convince a judge. A letter from your lawyer making claims of breach doesn't do it.

There. It's public. I'm sure you'll hear some pack of lies

No Bev, I have no reason to lie and never have. You certainly have accused me of it often enough, as you have accused a number of people of being involved in Qui Tam lawsuits. It was these kinds of accusation that have caused bad blood and hurt feelings.

Bev Harris is a very talented, very hard-working and tenacious woman. No matter what happens or what she says or claims about me, we owe her a debt that will be hard to repay, if ever, for the work she has done. Unfortunately, with the tremendous strain and pressure the last
year has brought to bear, it has moved her to suspect the worst of many people who have been very loyal and helpful to her. I have suffered many venomous and abusive assaults on my motives, my integrity and my competence in the last year and it has angered me at times, but more so depressed and saddened me.

A little over a month ago I got a call from Bev telling me she was going to New York and was meeting with Harper-Collins. She discussed with me about signing with them to get wider distribution and sales muscle behind the book. We discussed what my royalty would be for my contribution to the book (four chapters, over a 100 hours of phone consultations and discussions about security theory, networks, ftp security, etc). I agreed to a 90/10 (her favor) split and said I would be willing to sell the rights I possessed or negotiate some future consideration in order to get better exposure for Bev and the book.

A week goes by and I don't hear back. I call several times and leave messages and send a couple of emails. No answer. Finally, I do get her on the phone and ask her about her NY trip. After some stilted remarks I ask her how things went with H-C.

"Your contract is the problem."

"Huh?"

"Getting involved with you was a huge mistake, and now I will get nothing for all my hard work."

"What?!"

She went on to complain about all the work she had done and she was not going to get a single cent in return and it was ALL my fault.

I started to ask for more details, but she said she was tired and hung up.

Two weeks later I get a letter from her attorney claiming breach of contract demanding I stop selling the book.

He seems to be daring me to waste the time and money I'm spending suing Diebold and 18 county registrars on suing him for an injunction.

I dared nothing. I vigorously contested the accusation and told your lawyer I was prepared to defend myself, in court if need be.

Don't say "oh, it's so sad, they were such a team." This was my work product, folks. My research. My time. My publicity efforts. My proofing. My structural editing (didn't get that, either). My fact checking. My Pulitzer-Prize deserving work.

Your idea? Yes. A lot of your work? Yes. All your work? No. It really irks me when you claim to have done it all. You didn't. Many people helped you, and I certainly had a part in the creation of the book, as you yourself have said on a number of occasions in interviews, emails and this very forum.

Your research? Yes, but you also received a lot of guidance from other and and from me. Again, you say so in the book and have said so here. Your publicity efforts? Certainly.

As I recall, when we talked about this back in Sept-Oct of 2002 you enthusiastically volunteered for this when I explained that Plan Nine was a small publishing concern with no real budget for publicity.

Your structural editing? No. This was performed by Lex Alexander, a newspaper editor and former investigative reporter I engaged for that very purpose. You did make changes after Lex's edits, but to say that no editing or proofing was done is just untrue and I have the drafts of the various files to prove it. Your fact checking? Certainly, that is your job. You checked and documented your facts, just as I did mine for the parts of the book that I wrote.

Your Pulitzer Prize winning work? Hell, if it were my choice, you'd get that and the Congressional Medal of Freedom, but its not up to me.

Plan Nine sales accounted for to date:
November: 0
December: 0
January: 0
February: 0
March: 0
April: 0

According to the contract, sales reports and royalties due on the 15th of each month.


This is a good example of what I have had to deal with. You know quite well that the final manuscript was not delivered until the last days of December. There were no sales until January. We agreed that since your advance would cover several months worth of sales, I would be late on royalty reports.

And here you have left out yet another very important fact. You have made it look like you have gotten nothing from me, when in fact you were paid an advance in December, despite the fact that your contract did not call for an advance. To date, you have not burned through that advance.

You were sent a royalty statement shortly after I got your attorney's letter and I just mailed one today for March's sales.

If sales have been disappointing it certainly didn't help that you withdrew all support and assistance in the sales of my edition to back your own. Sabotaging the sales of your book by creating a rift where people are expected to take sides is not very helpful either

If you truly wish the sales reports printed, I will print them, your attorney's letters, my replies, and the entire body of our correspondence over the last year, but I really wouldn't recommend it.

Apparently this guy thought I gave up a year and a half of my life to write a book for free. I know you like him. Just understand that every book you buy from Plan Nine does not benefit me a whit.

Bev was paid an advance and thus did benefit from the book, and did so before I collected the first dollar. We did not charge the first credit card or cash the first check (I take that back, we may have accidentally cash one for $30 that got mixed up with a deposit) until
the book was shipping. I then had to get the backorder out, at which point Bev started ignoring me.

Never mind what the contract says. This guys has completely ignored my attempts to reason with him over his multiple breaches of contract. He ignored my lawyer, too.

Screaming at me, insulting me, accusing me of various unsavory actions is not "reasoning" with me. I did not "ignore" your lawyer, I sent two letters to him in response. Once again, we seem to be forgetting important details.

So go ahead. Line his checkbook some more. Just don't delude yourself that he does one damn thing to promote this book, he's actually blocked its distribution,

How can I "block distribution" when you have never bothered to discuss what Harper-Collins said with me. If they had some specific objection about the status of rights, I told you QUITE PLAINLY I was open to discussion and negotiation. You have never given me the courtesy of an opportunity to resolve the matter, you simply made baseless accusations and tried to get out of our agreement, ruining me in the process. I am still open to resolve this problem and said so in BOTH my letters to your lawyer.

The anger in this this sentence leads me to believe that an offer was made, but the issue of the rights I have are an obstacle. For some reason, rather than work this out with me, you have taken to attacking me and denigrating me.

and he sure as hell doesn't pay on time.

When the books sold exceed your advance, a check will be promptly sent to you. Unfortunately, given actions such as this, this may take a while.

When I suggested you do a book and offered to publish it (yes, the book was my idea. I am sorry if you choose to recall differently) I explained all my abilities and limitations. Back then we hoped to sell a few thousand copies, educate some folks and who knows, make a few bucks. You were thrilled with the idea of working with me since I was a systems engineer and had extensive computer and writing experience. You called often, asked tons of questions and I spent a lot of time answering, teaching and making suggestions on possible lines of inquiry.

In your own book, in you own words you credit me with putting you on the very course which changed the book, our lives, and possible our country.

Do I deserve huge accolades? Am I trying to steal credit? Nope, certainly not. The lion's share of the work was yours (which is why I suggested a 90/10 split when you asked). But as this story spun out larger and into many unexpected directions, I was there the whole time offering advice, being a sounding board, and taking ever-increasing amounts of abuse. I tried to keep you focused, on track, and productive.When you needed someone to "go undercover" I took up the task. By pursuing this story, you have risked much. But then, so have I.

In order to look after you and shepherd along this story, I have neglected my regular stable of artists, diverted resources to the point that I placed my company at risk. I faced the same legal menace as you did. I worked behind the scenes keeping web sites up when yours was down. When bbv.com came under attacks I wasted days and weeks of my time fighting, scrounging and planning to get it back up and keep it up. When you stepped on people's toes, I tried to smooth things over. I have acted as your secretary, answered your email, and helped arrange your interviews when you were cut off from your email. I worked behind the scenes to get your web site unlocked and worked to unravel misunderstandings and bad feelings.

So, please do not tell me you did all by yourself, it just isn't true.

When the books began to get serious attention, you started to treat me as a liability and an embarrassment. You accused me of "promoting" myself as co-author when it was you who called me that. (I have at various times described myself as "contributing editor or contributing writer). On two occasions I was so disgusted by your allegations of impropriety I offered to remove my name from the book entirely and forgo ALL profits from the sales. When you cooled off, you declined the offer.

At various times you have called me a saint, a godsend, your lifeline, and at one point your co-author (when you sent me to face John Gibson on Fox News rather than do so yourself). You have also called me many other things which I will not repeat hear.

When you lashed out at me that you were embarrassed to be published by a "comic book publisher" I set the book up to go out under my alternate imprint "Elon House Publishing". When you saw the Elon House imprint you on a proof, you accused me of trying to pull a fast one and somehow subvert your rights.

No matter what I did, I was wrong.

My wife has told me that she wished I had never gotten involved with you or this project, given the toll it has taken on me, and now on my reputation.

If I had a chance to do it over, I would still do it. What we have done, what YOU have done is just too damned important to have passed on.

I will continue to do what I can to help you despite what has been said and done. I am still open to resolving the problem that may be hanging up your deal with Harper-Collins and getting the book into distribution. If you wish to work this out, have your attorney contact me.

I wish you luck and God's blessing.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 01:46 AM
Response to Reply #58
60. It costs not a dime to send an accounting
Edited on Sat Apr-03-04 01:51 AM by BevHarris
Provide it.

And what bullshit: "We agreed that since your advance would cover several months worth of sales, I would be late on royalty reports."

Show me that. Never happened.

First, the "advance" covered the sale of 600 books and you need to send sales reports, goofball, like any other publisher on the planet.

None of your points hold water, but no one wants to read any more point-by-points. Do the right thing. I provided all the details to the attorney.

Give the accounting. Pay all fees due. Then write up a full release so that the book can get into the hands of as many people as possible before the election.

If you make me go to court with you, you take time away from a very important new case on the voting issue in Washington, and an even more important case on the voting issue in Ohio, a key swing state that MUST get a clean voting system in time for November. This is unpatriotic. Just do the right thing and quit spinning.

As usual, I can document my work and my work checks out.
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