True Christians need to 'OUT' bush

[mopaul]

I'm sick of bush playing his Christian supporters for fools and slaves. They are being deluded and exploited like lambs to the slaughter and it's time than real Christians stood up and point out that bush is just about the least Christian man ever to hold the office.

The Lord hate-eth a hypocrite, and bush is hypocrite numero uno. Christians need to force bush out of his closet of lies, they need to stand up to him and say to him, "mr. bush, you're no Christian, so quit pretending to be one".

Would Christ:
...give tax breaks to the stinking rich?
wage war against innocents?
waste billions on defense while millions starve?
hide the facts regarding 9-11?
attend countless fundraisers while so many go hungry?
rip off investors and rake in billions?
profit from the slavery of thousands of children?

There are so many things that disqualify bush as a real Christian. Why can't his Christian supporters see it? Most just chant the mantra about his being born again, and a 'godly' man, etc., but they don't see the evil under the smirk. Why not? The last holdouts who blindly support bush out of a misguided affinity with other Christians, need to be coaxed and brought around to the ugly truth:
bush is not even slightly Christian, and in every way, resembles the fabled anti christ mentioned in Revelations.

Christians of all stripes should reach out with sincere intent, to mobilize and educate and convince the huge Christian Conservative voting block that bush is a total phony and exploiter of well-meaning Christians. The man should be outed, loudly, and repeatedly.
He should be exposed and revealed to be a man of insurmountable evil.

"mr. bush, if you are really a Christian, then prove it, with deeds, not cheap words. Help the poor and the least among us, live by the golden rule, instead of just quoting it all the time. Feed the hungry, clothe the poor and outcast, protect the innocent and go humbly into the world. Stop the killing of innocents, stop robbing the treasury, stop fomenting war and unrest in the world.

It's time bush was outed.

[izzie]

1. It is hard to take these killing Christians.

It is like the WTC was not the death of 3000 people but an shot over the bow to kill anyone. First they list you as anti-American and then it is OK to say anything and do any thing. What we seem to have is two off the wall groups of people face to face. Both doing it in the name of their religion. It has happened before in history, many times.We must get our group out of power.Then men with some brains could handle the other side. Just as the other side must do the same, even if they have no govt power, they have power. It will not be the first time a crazy govt has taken its country down. We may end up with this fringe group of people, who think God talks to them, taken us down.

[DeepModem Mom]

2. The right has worked it's way into Christian churches...

just as it has every other aspect of our national life. In the Sixties, church leaders and activists were in the forefront of the move toward peace and social responsibiity. Some religious organizations still do courageously speak out, meriting an article or two in the print press, but they are drowned out by the zealotry of the "Christian right." I don't know how we can reassert the idea of "deeds not words" as being truly religious, and expose Bush as the false Christian he is.

[KittyWampus]

8. Great Post! You Highlight The Need For People To Speak Up

America does need a Spiritual Renewal. And the Left needs to understand that Spirituality and Religious Dogma are two different things.

Humanists, Naturalists are all essentially Spiritual.

The Main Ingredient is a belief in Unity and Shared Experience. The Founding Fathers gave us the term "Common Good" which is underutilitzed by the Left in their rhetoric and thinking.

Rabbi Lerner has some great thoughts/writings on this subject.

[izzie]

19. And they said they were going to do it. Starting at school boards.

I frankly did not believe it could happen and thought this country was to well educated to go with it. So much for my judgment.

[NewHampshireDem]

3. Don't mean to generalize

But this a country where 3/4 of the population consider themselves Christians and, well, take a look around. It seems to me the vast majority of Christians are CINOs ... Christians in Name Only.

During the Clinton impeachment, my Bible-thumping brother was spouting some claptrap he had gotten at church: that people who supported Clinton were doing so to legitimize their own vices, that they feared exposing Clinton because they wanted a leader who was as wicked and evil as they were.

I think the same argument can be made for Bush--except in this case it is true. CINOs support Bush because of his "compassionate conservatism." We know it's bullshit, but they believe it because it legitimizes their own greed, selfishness, and general un-Christian behavior. They can go cry during "The Passion," then go home and write a check for a man who supports everything Jesus opposed, but feel good because he's a Christian man.

If the majority of Christians decided to act like Christ, I'd sign up tomorrow.

[DoYouEverWonder]

4. The problem is that most christians

are Pauline Christians. Pauline christianity is really a perversion of what Jesus was supposed to be all about. The people who followed the true teachings of Jesus were labeled heretics and killed. So here we are 2000 years later and the Pauline Chrisians are doing everything they can to stage Armageddon. The only comfort is that if and when their Armageddon comes they're all in for a big surprise cause they sure ain't going to heaven.

[NewHampshireDem]

5. Could you explain "Pauline Christian" ...

My knowledge of Christian history comes mostly from my own reading of the Bible and a college course tracing European history through the history of the Catholic Church.

A good link or two would suffice.

Thanks!

[DoYouEverWonder]

9. Paul is Saul of Tarsus

Who was going around killing christians for the Romans before he was struck by god and saw the light. He basically hijacked christianity, blended it with his pagan beliefs and gods and in the process took the teachings of Jesus and bent them into his perverted version of reality. The Jesus that most christians follow is really more closely related to the pagan god Mithras.



http://www.dimensional.com/~randl/tarsus.htm


The man known as Paul, also called the 13th apostle, was originally named Saul. Until he was about 30 years old, Saul was an outspoken critic of the new cult of rebel Jews following the teachings of the Rabbi Yeshua, who we now know of as Jesus. Paul later became the first evangelist.

Saul's anti Christian stance was abruptly reversed when on the road to Damascus, he had a vision. The Bible says he lost his sight for three days, and when he recovered, he was a convert.(Acts, chapter 9)

In Damascus, Saul began to preach, but the locals drove him out of town. He went to Jerusalem and tried to preach there, but Jesus' followers didn't trust him either. He escaped to his home town, Tarsus, in Cilicia, also known as Cesarea.

Tarsus, on the northern side of the Mediterranean, in what is now Turkey, was a bustling seaport, 2000 years old when Saul arrived in about year 40 C.E. This big, cosmopolitan city was a mixture of many cultures, and the ancient religion of the god Mithras was prominent among them. Shrines and images of Mithras abound there and as far west as the Danube River, and though obscure, a few of the concepts of Mithraism are known to us.

[BiggJawn]

13. "Blind for 3 days"? They had Methanol back then?

Sounds like ol' Saul was suckin' on Sterno.
:7

[JPJones]

15. Sure, that's one theory, but don't present it as fact

From your same source:

"In the Persian "Avesta" (their religious writings), this Messiah will appear at the end of time to bring the triumph of good over evil. They call him the "Saushyant," and according to the Bundahishn (XXX,25), he will slay a magnificent bull, and make a potion of immortality for mankind from its fat, mixed with Hamoa juice."

This matches pretty closely with the Bible story of Jesus slaying a magnificent bull and making an immortality potion out of its fat.

[DoYouEverWonder]

21. All I am presenting is a point of view

based on the study of early christianity. The historic record is well documented, most of the early christians were relatively well educated and wrote a lot.

I know a lot of people like to think of Jesus as a poor peasant, but he did leave his family at around the age of 12 to study at the temple and later on with the Essenes. He very likely did learn to read and write during that time, even though no records have been found of anything that he may have actually written himself. However, his apostles and disciples left behind 1000's of documents, most of which got cut from the final version of the NT.

Since you compare me to GWB, I think you really do misunderstand where I am coming from. Yes, I do have strong beliefs but I would never try to ram my version of christianity down anyone else's throat. What I believe is that each person has to find their own answers and no one can do it for them. You can present knowledge to someone but you can't force them to accept it.

[Disturbed]

6. The Anti-Christ?

Hmmm....maybe a Christian should research that notion and write an
article about W being the Anti-Christ.

[Mari333]

7. Add to that the LaHaye books being touted as the bible

and interpretation..blecch.
At the peace vigil for the soldiers yesterday in our small town, a woman came walking by with her 3 children and looked at us and said
"the war in Iraq is the purpose of Christ fulfilled"..and then she and her 3 small children ran away, jogging.
thats their mindset, even tho I yelled "Thou shalt not kill" to her, just in case she planned on stoning her children to death if they misbehave.
Nonetheless, I wish I would have yelled "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God".
besides, if this woman thinks some rapture is coming, why the hell did she have kids? I must not ponder too much about these people, it makes my head explode.

[DoYouEverWonder]

10. These are the folks

that we need to try to reach and as they say, show them the light.

My next door neighbors are fundie christians. They are intelligent, successful, otherwise normal people. But somehow they are convinced that George Bu$h is christ reincarnated and all reason and logic seems to fly out the window.

I think George Carlin is right, religion is the root of all evil.

[meow2u3]

17. George Carlin was only half right

I think George Carlin is right, religion is the root of all evil.

Religion in itself isn't the root of all evil; it's the abuse of religion that's the root of some of the evil (90% of all evil is caused by the love of money).

[mopaul]

18. only 'bad' religion sucks

money or religion is not the root of all evil, but when it's used for evil purposes, then of course, it's no longer plausible.

i don't have a problem with religious people, only zealots.

[DoYouEverWonder]

20. To me there is a difference

between religion and spiritual.

Religion represent the institutionalization of spirituality and this institutionalization lends itself to corruption and manipulation by people who like power and controlling other people.

[JPJones]

11. Sort of , but I think

Bush and his minions base their actions on the doctrine of predestination.

Predestination (Lat. prœ, destinare), taken in its widest meaning, is every Divine decree by which God, owing to His infallible prescience of the future, has appointed and ordained from eternity all events occurring in time, especially those which directly proceed from, or at least are influenced by, man's free will. It includes all historical facts, as for instance the appearance of Napoleon or the foundation of the United States, and particularly the turning-points in the history of supernatural salvation, as the mission of Moses and the Prophets, or the election of Mary to the Divine Motherhood. Taken in this general sense, predestination clearly coincides with Divine Providence

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12378a.htm

also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination

[DoYouEverWonder]

14. And who came up with the doctrine of predestination?

My guess is a pauline christian?

Only a christian who believes that god is separate and outside of themselves could come up with most of this nonsense.

[JPJones]

16. Clearly you have strong beliefs

However, your 'moral clarity' reminds me of someone...

oh yeah, GWB.

[sendero]

24. Amen...

.... ditto, etc.

I have yet to hear one single leading Christian figure speak out against the rapacious televangelists who have been ripping off the feeble minded for over 20 years now.

I organizing to worship cannot do any better than this, then why even do it?

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

12. Brain Washed Fools

[H2O Man]

22. Gandhi on Jesus:

"Jesus was a Jew. He was the finest flower of Judaism. You can see that from the four stories of the four apostles. They had untutored minds. They told the truth about Jesus. Paul was not a Jew, he was a Greek, he had an oratorical mind, a dialectical mind, and he distorted Jesus. Jesus possessed a great force, the love force, but Christianity became disfigured when it went west. It became the religion of kings."
I am 100% in favor of the Christians of the tribal Jews speaking out against the Christians of the urban kings. But, in order to do so, they have to have a firm grasp of the symbolism of the ancients, and be able to transform it to the symbols of today. And that can NOT be done by merely saying fine words. It requires intense actions. MLK, Jr. was The Master of recent times. But, as history shows, when the inspired Leader is killed, his position is taken over by an associate who is a bureaucrat.
We need new leaders, new myths, and new symbols.

[GreenPartyVoter]

23. I hate how they have hijacked my country and my faith.

http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/liberalchristians.htm