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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 05:38 PM
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If Flight 93 was shot down Richard Clarke knows it
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4641345/

Richard Clarke on 'Hardball'

<snip>MR. CLARKE: I—I had some things I could decide at my level. I had a lot of things that I referred to the vice president, and he referred to the president. And they very quickly turned—

MR. MATTHEWS: The president was out of town, wasn’t he?

MR. CLARKE: Yeah. The vice president had him on the phone, and the phone dropped off from time-to-time. But when we needed decisions to shoot down airplanes and to do similar things like that, the president made those decisions.

MR. MATTHEWS: But you were like Mr. Spock to his Captain Kirk. I mean, you were basically giving the advice of an expert on what you had to do, and they were taking it.

MR. CLARKE: We were making most of the decisions. When we realized we didn’t have the authority—

MR. MATTHEWS: Right

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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 05:40 PM
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1. If anybody knows it would be him
and Bush but Bush would not tell.

This is a hard one. I am 100% sure it was shot down. But I think the passengers had overcome the bad guys but the pilots did not know it.

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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 05:42 PM
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2. Clark is a red herring.
His claim that the bushler gang just had bad priorities is a ruse to obfuscate the direct complicity of the misadministration in the black op against America.

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Shoedogg Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 05:51 PM
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3. While I don't necessarily disagree...
Edited on Sat Apr-03-04 05:54 PM by Shoedogg
I think it's VERY possible that this was, indeed, a set up to get their "new Pearl Harbor," it's just not a good idea to say to the public-at-large.

I'll discuss my potential conspiracy theories with those I already know are on my side of the issues, but mentioning it to anyone else is a sure-fire way to be branded a crazy conspiracy theorist. And that only gives the 'bad guys' more credibility while the 'good guys' look crazy.

I'm not saying that, when all is said and done, the possibility of Bush administration complicity in 9/11 shouldn't be investigated, but now is not the time. It will just push middle-of-the-roaders away. We need to focus on ineptitude, not something MUCH darker.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 06:01 PM
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5. You are more than welcome to focus on anything that you personally...
...believe is best, but please don't try to tell me or anyone else what we should be talking about in public.

Additionally, you would be really surprised at the numbers of people in all walks of life that I talk with on a weekly basis here in north-central Alabama that are ALREADY suspecting "something MUCH darker". They are at least suspecting LIHOP, and some have gone to the MIHOP side. These people are farmers, truck drivers, maintenance workers, programmers, electricians, teachers, insurance agents, nurses, and too many other professions to list here.

Maybe you should try talking to a lot of people to see what they're actually thinking these days instead of basing your opinions on what you FEEL to be true.
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Shoedogg Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 06:35 PM
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7. You misunderstand me...
I'm not telling you what I think YOU should do. MY point was that (and it's my belief only) it's not going to do any good for a public figure to go on TV and say it - they'll be branded nutty and hurt the overall cause.

I'm only trying to make the point that this could drive people TO the Bushies side on the issue.

A lot of folks ARE turned off by 'conspiracy theory' and will simply shut down.

The people from all walks of life that you speak to may already have had these ideas in their heads. Thus, you are "preaching to the choir." I'm talking about people who are totally unaware of the possibility.

That's all.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 06:04 PM
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6. He may be a red herring in some respects, but he has definitely...
...blown up Junior's ad campaign using the WTC in the background. By now, everyone has some level of questions about 911 and what really happened that day.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:12 AM
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8. Junior is expendable to the Power Elite.
He's going down, but what really happened will not be revealed.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 05:53 PM
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4. "If"?? That eight-mile trail of debris doesn't convince you?
<http://www.flight93crash.com/index.html>

<http://proliberty.com/observer/20011023.htm>

<http://www.blackmarketgold.com/debris_area.txt>

<http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12192317&method=full&siteid=50143>

<http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/attack/flight93.html>


And we have the government telling the victims' relatives and friends that they can only have a WRITTEN copy of what they say is a verbatim translation of the cockpit recording.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 06:46 AM
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10. I'm ALWAYS AMAZED
and wonder what kind of misfiring neurons could cause such continuing confusion about something SO OBVIOUS!!! There is documentation that Cheney gave the order. There are eyewitness accounts. DEBRIS WAS SPREAD OVER EIGHT MILES!!! C'mon kids... You CAN do better than this.
:eyes:
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:18 AM
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9. It was shot down.
Other evidence is useful, too, but not nearly as reliable as the 80 minutes between the Flight 93's crash and Flight 11's crash into the WTC.

If Flight 93 WASN'T shot down, it sure as HELL should have been. Which makes me think that it was.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 07:20 AM
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11. It should have been shot down
I agree. Assuming that the plane was shot down, of course, as horrible as it is to think of hundreds of innocent people being killed by our own military, the number of people who could have been killed had the plane not been shot down pales in comparison.

If it is true that the plane was shot down, I don't think any good can come of this being released. The people on the plane would have been dead anyway. Better their loved ones think of them as heroes.

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 07:31 AM
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12. Right, that's why they're lying to us
and it's why people allow themselves to be lied to about it.

Although people allow themselves to be lied to by this administration concerning lots of things, without any justification.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 08:07 AM
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14. Should it have been shot down if it was not actually hijacked?
There were 4000 planes in the air that day and planes sometimes do go off course. I agree if it were hijacked it should have been shot down. And there should be no hesitancy to say so by our government. Now on the other hand if it were shot down because of a bad decision they certainly would not admit to that.

Don

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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 08:01 AM
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13. If It Was Shot Down
And I'm not saying that it was (thought I have never bought into that nonsense about brave passengers standing up and taking on the hijackers) then of course Clarke knew about it. The think is, if Clarke knew about it I am sure that at this moment so does the 9/11 panel. Remember, he testified for 15 hours or so behind closed doors during the classified part of his testimony that we did not get to see.

I doubt that at this stage of the game he would have held anything back so if he knows it to have happened, and once again I'm not saying that it did, then the commission knows too. That's my opnion.

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