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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 06:37 PM
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Bet ya Tenet is the fall guy!
Just heard on ABC news that Powell is saying now that the information he testified to before the UN might have been faulty.

"At the time what was presented to me was what I believed, but now it seems it might have been wrong."

I bet this is the ground work to hang this whole thing on George Tenet of the CIA.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 06:38 PM
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1. NO F'IN WAY
I fhe was gonna fall he would have already been tripped. He knows TOO much
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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 06:38 PM
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2. From what I've read in the past few years...
...Tenet should have taken the sword a long time ago. I just assumed he had something on the Bushies and so he stayed.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 06:54 PM
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8. It wouldn't take much to get something on the bushies.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 06:42 PM
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3. What a book HE'LL write, huh?
This guy must have FILE CABINETS full of info to (further) sink Georgie.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 06:43 PM
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4. I think Tenet has an out
When Tenet testified before Congress, he said that the CIA collects information, but the info must be interpreted and evaluated.

I think Tenet will ask Clarke to back him up on saying that the CIA gave info to the Administration but that the Administration then interpreted it to suit themselves.

In other words, I am sure that there were reports in the files saying that Iraq had mobile labs. But did Powell ask Tenet if he thought the reports were accurate? Did Powell ask for an evaluation of the accuracy of the reports?
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 07:44 PM
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10. So far, what I've read in Clarke's book is that Tenet is one of the
Cassandras. Tried again and again to get through to them about the urgency of the threat. And believe me, I'm only just biting into Chapter ONE.

Tenet should testify. He'd just be another verification of what Clarke's been saying, and what Paul O'Neill's been saying, and what the critics have been saying, and bush himself said to Bob Woodward, and what Gary Hart has been saying, and what Sibel Edmonds has been saying, and what any increasing number of whistleblowers have been saying. I suspect we'll hear from still more, farther up the road. It's a VERY high-level drip-drip-drip we now have.

Richard Clarke's book is living up to that cliche "flying off the shelves." It's not all for fuel for book burnings, folks. People are buying this and reading it, all the way through or in parts. All sorts of people from folks like us who don't need convincing - to the rest of 'em out there who still do. And all the folks in between, including that all-important constituency of "Independents" who do not belong to either side.

So far, Clarke makes a very good read. very articulate, eloquent, authorititative, credible. You CANNOT come away from even a few pages (like I said, I'm only just getting into Chapter One) without the clear impression that Clarke was ANYTHING BUT "out of the loop," as cheney has claimed. He was the LAST GUY in that bunch whom you could describe as "out of the loop." And as much as I hate to admit this, in just the few pages I've consumed so far, he seems very fair-minded, even having a couple of positive things to say about bush. It's not a bush-bash fest. That, frankly, gives him further credibility and immunizes him against accusations of partisanship.

So - the mentions of Tenet in there only further buttress what testimony Tenet might offer. They'd corroborate each other. Tenet would be able to say how he was trying to warn them, and wasn't heeded, and wasn't given the "infrastructure" (a term Clarke uses frequently) to support his warnings or make them more effective. It sounds as though the two of them, and a few others, were given a body of skin and muscle, WITHOUT a skeletal structure to hold it up or circulatory, pulmonary, and digestive systems to keep it going.

Tenet's got an out. Probably several.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 06:44 PM
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5. Buck paused with Condi, was counterfeited by Cheny, stopped with Bush
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 06:45 PM
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6. Sooner or later they're gonna' be on top of OSP
THAT'S when it'll get good. If they try to nail Tenet he just might arrange for the OSP story to be "leaked" to the media.

For those unfamiliar with the OSP.....

The Office of Special Plans (OSP) was a secret group of analysts and policy advisors with no status in the intelligence community who reported directly to the White House and National Security office with cherry-picked intelligence from questionable sources to support the case for invading Iraq. The OSP circumvented formal, well-established oversight procedures, ignored intelligence that didn't further their agenda, expanded the intelligence on weapons beyond what was justified and over-emphasized the national security risk. They became more influential than the C.I.A. or the Defense Intelligence Agency who didn't even know the ultra-secret OSP existed for at least a year.

Because they were based in the Pentagon, it was assumed that the OSP was an intelligence-gathering agency that was second-guessing the C.I.A. but in actuality it was the White House Military Marketing Machine charged with the task of writing the PNAC's "Get Saddam" sales pitch for the public. Shading and bending reality to suit their own purpose, it wasn't important for the OSP's stories about Saddam to be factual, only that the average American believed them to be - in true Hollywood fashion.

http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/030512fa_fact


"It is important to shape circumstances..........."- PNAC Statement of Principles





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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 06:54 PM
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7. Everything I've heard in the last few days is pointing to Tenet.
But when Powell, one of the trusted members of this admin. starts to say he testified on "false" info, it sounds like this is the direction. If you are right and Tenet has too much info in everybody, maybe that's the key to the downfall of the dynasty.
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 07:07 PM
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9. I don't know why he didn't tell the truth in the first place
Edited on Sat Apr-03-04 07:07 PM by Woodstock
Didn't he learn anything from Watergate? Or are they just so damned smugly certain they are above the law.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 08:05 PM
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12. Exactly--why did he? He certainly had access to more than we did
and we knew it was all a lie.

Why did he?

For Michael? Why and how would this man commit suicide in this way?

Did Bush and Cheny have something on him? On Michael?

It is so bizarre. This man does not have a leg to stand on and has been suicided by himself


But why? Are we to believe he is that stupid? He had a high standing as Secy of State. Why did he choose to compromise that? And bend, to his own detriment, to the Bushes?

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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 07:57 PM
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11. He has just been taking this crap from the admin
When is he going to stand up for himself and his dept? Will he ever?

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