Those who think bushco did 9-11 are..........

[mopaul]

A: Sick individuals, paranoid schizos, deluded & desperate for attention, who see conspiracies everywhere, & make us all look bad,

or,

B: Possibly onto something, considering how bushco would rather die than talk about 9-11, objective and open to all scenarios, including unbelievable ones, who might just help save America from the worst gangsters ever.

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And which of these two categories do you fall under? Did you make up your mind right away about how 9-11 happened, or are you waiting till the official white house story comes out? Have you changed your mind regarding this subject in the last 2 1/2 years? Could you consider ever changing your mind on the subject, or are you steadfast in your opinion?

i say, i may be wrong. i've been wrong before. but i suspect the worst about bushco and 9-11, and i'm just trying to measure the opinions of those here, who's opinions i respect.

[Jacobin]

1. ...."Entitled to their opinion."

I can certainly understand why they would thinks so.

My opinion is that they are too incompetent to have pulled any such thing off. I also believe that there is a cadre of muslims pissed off enough to have done 9/11

[mopaul]

4. i see your point

bush himself is of course too imcompentent to have thought it out.
and many muslims have a deserved right to hate us. and the official story may be right afterall, i sure don't know. i have to repeat it to myself a lot, i just don't know. but i absolutely refuse to believe even one word of the official white house story, because if they'd lie to start a war, they'd lie about damn near anything.

[King_Crimson]

36. You could equate Bush...

with the Nazi longtime #2 man...Rudolf Hess...a dim-witted stupid fuck
who can't find his ass with both hands! I remember reading somewhere that Hess flew an aircraft into Britain himself to try and goad the the British into surrendering... then crashed and was captured by the British and held for over a year! Matter of fact, at Nuremberg he was only given life in prison while the majority of the others were strung up! We can only hope the same fate awaits this band of murdering thugs!

[leesa]

23. But you DO believe it was pulled off by a guy on dialyses living in a cave

in Afghanistan??? Now if THAT's not a difficult conspiracy theory to swallow!

[Jacobin]

33. Sorry

Lost my tinfoil hat.

I don't think bin Laden is alone. From what I've read, he's a figure head and has others like Alzawaheree who help organize the fund those who attack.

Call me silly. I don't mind.

[leftofthedial]

24. even MIHOP does not discount pissed off Muslims

Were I a radical Islamist, I'm not sure I would trust Osama or the Saudi clerics anymore than, as an atheist, I trust the bushgang.

I agree that the political bushgang are incompetent buffoons. Their sole talent is in spinning and controlling the media, and that only because they own it lock stock and barrel.

But no one said L'il Gerge, Unka Dick, Rummie, et al are actually in charge of this operation. In any case, 9-11 was planned far in advance.

[MetaTrope]

34. Would only have needed a brief chat between Poppy and a Saud royal

I'm sure our "allies" could have handled the planning from there.

[lowreed]

2. Right here in NYC I knew it was due

to the Bu$h administration, instantly.
The way that punk stole the election I was
sure Bu$h would get "tested" right away.

Punk-ass failure.

[ixion]

3. I'm a 'B' person.

I wasn't, necessarily, from day one. Although there were some things that struck me as odd about the event that led me to investigate, and I knew the repugs would use the event to implement something like the unPATRIOTic Act. It was when I started looking at the facts, and at the plethora of inconsistencies, and the suspension of physics, and the convenient way the information on the hijackers became so readily apparent, by the way the military was on stand down, and by the strange actions of the Chimp in Chief.

The deeper I dig, the more it becomes clear. It was a MIHOP event, IMO.

[demnan]

5. I have always had my suspicions

about Bush since learning about the PNAC leter, etc. especially, and more than the conspiracy theory websites. I would have believed some of the stuff on Whatreallyhappened.com if the site hadn't been so antisemitic - I think they did a disservice to the truth by clouding it with their beliefs.

That said, there is something really fishy when you read between the lines. Even Cheney gives hints now and then. When he said, "Clarke wasn't really in the loop" I think he was telling the truth. I think Clarke wouldn't have accepted the "truth" as Cheney and Bush knew it. Clarke wouldn't have covered up for them had he known the truth.

That said, I think the commission will eventually get the truth. Even with Cheney there, Bush is stupid enough to spill the beans and now people are starting to wake up and they are watching. It's sort of like seeing Watergate unfold.

I have to be optimistic about that - I saw a licence plate this morning which read LIBERAL and that's right here in Paul Wellstone's Virginia.

[Goldmund]

6. B

Although I lean heavily toward LIHOP, as opposed to MIHOP -- not because I don't think they're evil enough for MIHOP, but because I don't see there being a need for MIHOP -- the US has pissed off enough people that all you have to do if you want a "Pearl Harbor type event" is sit and wait. Also, LIHOP is much easier to cover up -- they were hoping that at worst, they would simply seem incomptetent.

I suspected LIHOP as soon as 9/11 happened, although it took learning more about the circumstances before the suspicion became an opinion. Also, not long after 9/11, it became clear that the Bush* administration was going to base its whole presidency on this one event -- in other words, the fact that 9/11 is hands down the biggest single political gift to Bush is something one can't deny, whether you believe in L/MIHOP or not. The presence of MOTIVE one can't deny.

Would I ever consider changing my mind? Well, of course. I'd consider changing my mind about anything. But the more I learn about it and the more facts come out, the more this looks like a rhetorical point and not a practical possibility.

[seventhson]

14. Bush hit the "Trifecta" and was abso-f-ing-lutely GLEEFUL about 9-11

and he did not even try to hide it.


Reichstag Fire - 1932-3

Operation Northwoods - 1961-2

WTC - September 11, 2001

The Bushes' fingerprints are all over all three of these events and plans for the consolidation of global fascist power.

[ewagner]

7. My first impressions

were that either lihop or mihop were too far out to be true.

What makes me more open to the possibility is that fact that this administration will lie about damned near anything no matter how trivial. The "yawning boy" story is a good example. No reason to "take control" of the story but they did.

Anybody who believes in lihop or mihop has been given AMPLE reason to be suspicious of this administration........

[seventhson]

8. I have believed in B since the day it happened

the possibility that this was a Reichstag style atack on democracy by fascists within our own government using CIA or blackops trained Muslims as patsies has only become a stronger and stronger conviction for me since the day it happened.

I am pretty damn steadfast in this belief. MIHOP.

As the evidence has dripped out or flooded out the evidence to me seems overhwelming that it was a well crafted MIHOP by the BFEE.

My first thoughts on 9-11 were that this was a possibility but I initially was too in shock to think anything much other than that it was the fucked up policies of Bush and the illegal crowning of Bush as President that led to this.

I honestly do not know when MIHOP galvanized solidly in my mind - but I believe it was within a day or so of the intial attacks.

Nothing will likley change my beliefs about this now that the truth is coming out.

[Paragon]

9. Conspiracies are good, paranoid fun, but...

...you can't keep a secret between more than five people in this world. In the case of 9/11, it was incompetence, not conspiracy.

[Goldmund]

10. I don't know who said this...

But it's a cool saying:

"The biggest conspiracy theory of all is that there are no conspiracies."

[redqueen]

16. Calling something CT is the sure-fire way to ensure it's ignored

by people who love 'conventional wisdom'.

And since most 'conventional wisdom' is at least 75% propoganda / BS, you can see why this method of manufacturing consent and keeping reality hidden is most effective.

[PsN2Wind]

11. OK

So who did Cheney meet with while establishing energy policy?

[Paragon]

15. That's not a conspiracy...

...because hopefully, we'll be able to find out exactly who was there once Cheney is forced to give up his notes.

[seventhson]

21. Maybe five was all it took.

Or maybe they killed the rest.

They said that about JFK too and MLK --- but we all know they were conspiracies.

Keeping secrets is the business of evil just as profiteering from death is.

Don't tell me that official secrets are not kept by more than 5 people in war and intelligence.

This (no conspiracy to murder can be kept secret nonsense) is nothing but a very limp meme, I'm afraid, to keep the truth buried.

[randr]

12. The more than apparent secretiveness of the B * gang

fosters the idea that there is a conspiracy taking place. As it has been proved time and time again, these sorts of people, the *'s, are rarely up to the mental tasks needed to pull off such feats.
What they are is extremely terrified of being held accountable.
While it may take years for the full truth to be revealed regarding 9/11 we have a responsibility as a nation to look at how we missed the signs, whether we could have acted in any way to stop the attack, and if our responses are effective and becoming of our great nation.
The question for me is not who COULD have prevented this but who SHOULD have prevented it. There can be no doubt that a serious intelligent failure occurred. Someone needs to be held accountable!

[bearfartinthewoods]

13. the reason i have trouble believing is why would he allow the

attack on the pentagon? if a man has designs on war, why attack the seat of military power? plus, it is, in part, the after effects of the financial strain of 911 that will unseat him, just as a lackluster economy brought down poppy.

lastly, i have never bought the line that 9/11 was necessary to pave the way to iraq. i have never been able to find any of the people so often quoted as thinking saddamn was responsible for 9/11.

if his goal was iraq, afghanistan and bennie were an inconvenient distraction.

[loftycity]

17. That day it was Bush and his cabal's reaction that was not right.

1.)The feigned "how could we know?" the phony looks of concern. I knew something was up right then.
2.)That night watching it again it all was so perfect, flawless in execution, none of our military up in the air. None at all.
3.) Bush standing in front of CIA headquarters telling the world what a great job they had done.
I knew then.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

18. A for MIHOP, B for LIHOP (nt)

[0007]

27. Yeah, I gotta go the same way as JCCyC - no doubt about it!

A for MIHOP, B for LIHOP

[worldgonekrazy]

35. I disagree. MIHOP is less likely, but still a legit possibility

I think the problem here is what is commonly referred to as "a failure of imagination." Whenever horrific atrocities are gone unnoticed by the international community, it is almost always attributed to this phenomenon. Take Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge for example. People simply could not believe that any people could be so depraved as to kill half of their country's population. So they assumed the refugees must have been lying. They were wrong.

This is not to say that I think MIHOP is correct. I am much more of a LIHOP person myself. But I do not discount MIHOP entirely and nor should anyone else until the real facts are out. The sad thing is that the facts probably will NEVER come out. 30 years from now we'll be asking the same damn question. That is, if the U.S. is still a functioning nation, which I have to say seems less and less likely with each passing day.

[chelaque liberal]

19. Follow the money

I've been a B from the beginning. I was anxiously awaiting the Media Consortium's report about the Fl recount because I couldn't believe how that evolved........

Sept 11 felt like a bad movie. If it was on television I would have switched channels.

That the headquarters of the most powerful military in the world could have been so vulnerable is beyond belief. That the intelligence was so incompetent before the attack but was able to piece it all together so quickly after is just as far fetched.

And then Cheney asked Daschle not to investigate the worst attack on our soil?????

Everything that has happened since has only supported my beliefs.

[seventhson]

20. Neo-Nazi and Neo-con complicity was reported in July 2001 by European

intelligence services.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html

and two weeks later Hatfield was found dead

[KoKo]

22. Bush's flying around all day, WaPo's report about Saudi's being flown out

and that they knew about the Florida Connection/Flying School with Atta and the Dutch Bros. who operated the Flight School so soon after 9/11..(just a couple of days) made me suspicious. The passport found at 9/11 site and the auto with the koran and other stuff and the fact that I knew that the Bush's stole that election in Florida.

There's more that I was suspicious of, but those are the first that come to mind. I was a LIHOPPER from Day 1.

[stopthegop]

25. A....

many people are so blinded by their hatred for Bush they'd blame him for the death of their dog if they thought about it long enough...

there were attacks long prior to 1-2-01...9-11 had to be planned prior to Bush being elected..

reality can be harsh, but at least it's there...unlike missiles on the fusilage of commercials airliners and such...

[Bluzmann57]

26. When it first happened

I was horrified like the rest of America. I wanted blood and supported the "president" and even saw him fly over our area with two intercept jets (omaha, offut airbase is due west of here). But with all of the evidence that is coming out, I now believe that, while bushco probably didn't arrange this, they could have at the very least, prevented it from happening on such a large scale. I believe that something would have happened, maybe not on 9/11, but sometime. I do not buy into the idea that whenever something goes wrong, it must be a conspiracy. But these people who are in charge of this once great land of ours are makling me possibly reconsider.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

28. A here ......i use to have multiple personalities but, we are all okay now

:)

[On the Road]

29. I Don't Think Any of Us Really Knows

But I have been forced to change my thinking and seriously consider the possibility that it might have been an inside job. It is very, very significant that so many people have had that experience.

There is a lot that is unexplained. Video clips of both planes show anomalies -- the Pentagon planes appears much too small, and the second WTC plane appears to have a strange bulge. Planes were not scrambled in time, and details of the massive shorts on airline stocks were never revealed.

At the same time, a lot of odd things turn out to have reasonable explanations. The single-bullet theory of the JFK assassination, for example, is plausible even though many conspiracy theorists claim otherwise. Following the money does not always lead to the truth -- otherwise every murder would be committed by an heir. And I believe firmly in coincidence -- look at the parallels between the Lincoln and JFK assassinations. Anyone think there's more than meets the eye there?

Certainly there are things being hidden. But some of it may be concealing incompetence (not scrambling fighters) or protecting compromised allies (Saudis, Israelis, or Pakistanis). It's really not clear. The best course is agnosticism, setting a high standard of proof, and insisting that every avenue be thoroughly investigated.

I hope that if Kerry gets elected, he gets to the bottom of what happened and not try to compound a tragedy with a coverup.

[RedCloud]

30. It runs in the family...

Prescott worshipped the Nazis and profited off Auschwitz...
Daddy met in Paris,France Oct. 18th, 1980 with Iranian terrorists holding US citizens hostage to keep them held longer in return for arms!
What are a few thousand lives if you can make megabillions scaring the hell out of everyone?

Why is he guilty? Anthrax mailer attacked only democrats and suspect is still operating at large. Where is Bush's outrage that someone would try to kill his opponents?

[frylock]

31. they did it..

B.

[mvd]

32. In a way, it was LIHOP

They knew that something important was up, and decided reports didn't have credibility. It's incompetence that crosses the line into LIHOP IMO. We were completely unprepared to deal with things on 9/11. I certainly don't think the LIHOP people are streching with this horrible misadministration.