Forget Hotair america Tune into Radio CW!!

[corporatewhore]

Ok so i have heard air america and blah it was mainly white guys and it seemed to be Neo liberal radio does DLC/Clinton love fest .If i had my way i would keep Chuck D and Garofalo and would give shows to:
Dave Chappelle
Aaron McGruder
robert Jensen
Tariq Ali
Naomi Klein
Arundhati Roy
Greg Palast
Jello Biafra (listen to his spoken word)
Howard Zinn
Rahul Mahajan
Starhawk
George Carlin
Granny D
Amy Goodman andJuan Gonzalez

[redqueen]

1. Establishment always wins

That would NEVER get off the ground!

That said, I'd listen, if it did. :)

[rucky]

2. Chapelle was a great guest on Garaffalo

I love his comedy (the black/blind Klan leader sketch is brilliant) & he had some spot-on insights about media, culture, politics. He could totally carry a show.

[mouse7]

3. If all else fails, throw the race card

It doesn't matter that the hosts are progressive, call them bigots anyway if it serves your purposes, right?

[ithacan]

4. cw didn't call anyone bigots...

CW just said they're mostly white guys. I hope you're not saying that the very fact of being a white guy is equal to being a bigot.

Why does this matter? Because white guys are only a minority of the US population (about 37 percent), and a smaller minority of democratic voters (68 percent of white guys voted for Bush).

The idea is to have a radio network that looks like America.

ps this is said as a white guy myself.

[mouse7]

6. Did CW play race card? YES.

Pointing to race in hiring is playing the race card. He's claiming either outright bigotry or complete failure to consider diversity in their hiring process. That's claiming either outright bigotry on part of *AA* or systemic bigotry within *AA*.

I'm sick to death of these types of ridiculous charges from the Left. Democracy Now has a white host. Is Democracy Now bigoted too? Looks like DN! has to have a white person in control, doesn't it?

[Columbia]

9. Seems like

AA doesn't practice the other kind of AA - Affirmative Action.

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[Columbia]

18. I'm all for them too

Did I suggest otherwise? No. European descendant Americans are very well represented on AA. African descdendants not so much. Asian and Hispanic, not at all.

Glad you to see you are anti-diversity.

[mouse7]

21. That's just talk... prove it.

I could claim you only talk about diversity for the groups I named when under the gun and being criticised. I think you need to prove through your actions that you support diversity for said groups.

[Columbia]

24. Nice spin

When you start supporting Affirmative Action, I'll give you the time of day. You have no idea what works I've done, so why don't you walk the walk yourself and admit you are against Affirmative Action.

[mouse7]

27. See that "Donate to Cynthia McKinney for Congress" sigline?

I'm the ONLY person on Democratic Underground that has a link to donate to a minority candidate running for Congress.

My freshman year of college was spent in the dorm sytem at Norfolk State University. I was one of 5 white guys in the dorm system at a Historically Black College.

Take your Affirmative Action rants and shove them up your ass sideways. You ain't done shit but cause trouble between groups. I've taking real action to promote diversity for almost 25 years.

[Columbia]

34. So you say

But you are against diversity on Air America? That speaks volumes more to me than living in a HBC dorm for a year.

[sangh0]

39. So you say

but your "Do you still beat your wife?" style of debate speaks more to me than your faux pro-AA stance.

[Columbia]

48. What's your stance?

Please tell us sangh0, do you think the AA lineup is sufficiently diverse?

[sangh0]

51. I don't beat anybody

and I've never been married.

[Columbia]

53. Nice non-answer

Thanks for playing, we know where you stand.

[sangh0]

56. That's how I answer non-questions

.

[Columbia]

59. It's quite a straightforward question

And you choose not to answer. However, I will assume that you believe that AA is sufficiently diverse, until you suggest otherwise.

[sangh0]

67. NO it's not

It's a "leading" question as demonstrated by your "assumption"

[Columbia]

69. All you have to do is answer

And it will dispel my assumption.

[sangh0]

77. LOL

WHo cares about your assumtions?

Go right ahead and make whatever assumptions you like. I'm a big boy. I can defend myself.

[Columbia]

86. Why don't you start your defense

By answering the question?

[sangh0]

88. My defense?

You crack me up

[Columbia]

89. There's nothing funny about achieving diversity

[sangh0]

93. So how much diversity have YOU achieved?

SHow us how you're the expert

[sangh0]

104. Well, Columbia?

Today, I helped mentally ill drug abusers get treatment. What have you done that entitles you to criticize me?

[mouse7]

100. Nothing funny about pretending one is a progressive

When one does no work to promote progressive, give neo-cons a free pass, and do nothing but bitch and moan about Democrats, I don't call that person a progressive. Not many others do, either.

[mouse7]

72. No... it's lobbing grenades at a historic high water mark for diversity

Air America launched with the most diverse air staff in the history of commercial radio, and all you can do is lob grenades the accomplishment.

[sangh0]

80. Columbia doesn't seem to know what the word "diversity" means

in the context of Affirmative Action. S/He seems to think that Affirmative Action only counts the Hosts, and none of the other employees.

[Columbia]

84. So a theoretical diverse support staff...

Makes it ok to have an undiverse hosting staff? Uh huh...

[sangh0]

91. Theorethical?

Does that mean that (aside from the on-air personalities) you don't know anything about AA's staff?

It would seem so, since you seem to think there are only two categories of workers (ie. "support" and "host")

ANd you want to criticize them for their hiring practices when you don't know what they are?

[mouse7]

87. No, Columbia doesn't know what "progressive" means

Columbia thinks progressives are supposed to do no work for progressives, give the neo-cons a free pass, and bitch non-stop at Democrats.

I got another word for people who exhibit those behaviors.

[Columbia]

102. Cya later

I'm done with this thread. People can't seem to talk about the issue without resorting to personal attacks.

[sangh0]

106. You didn't mind personal attacks when YOU were making them

You had no problem "assuming" that I thought AA was diverse enough. You had no problem accusing mouse7 of not caring about diversity.

But now that you're being asked about what YOU'VE done, suddenly getting personal is a problem for you.

[mouse7]

112. It was fine when you attacked me personally

Columbia, you claimed I was doing nothing for Affirmative Action.

Had to point out that I'm the only person actually taking real action in regards to affirmative action at DU by dedicating my sigline to raising money for Cynthia McKinney's congressional campaign.

[mouse7]

43. You're sexist. You supported the "sexist" CW line-up vs. *AA*

The "dream" line-up by *CW* is far less diverse in regard to women air staff than the current *AA* line up is.

In other words, you just want to yell at people. You don't care that there's no basis for doing the yelling, as long as you get to yell and discredit. You're doing nothing to promote real diversity. You're just making bullshit claims against those who are doing the real work.

[Columbia]

46. Nice try

I never said I supported CW's lineup at all. I think it's great that AA has such good female representation. I also think it's a travesty that it has miniscule minority representation.

No yelling from this side of the aisle. I do sense a lot of hostility coming from you though.

[mouse7]

50. I sense a lot of rubbish coming from you

Throwing rubbish into the discussion and using said rubbish to troll for flame wars is guaranteed to generate a lot of hostility.

If you want to be recieved more warmly, I'd learn a little of the subject matter then try making factual arguments.

[Columbia]

55. It's only the stuff I deflect back

Fact: AA has no Asian American or Hispanic American representation.

[mouse7]

60. Fact: *AA* most diverse staff regarding sex in history of commercial radio

*AA* sets a historic high water mark for diversity, and all you can do is bitch and moan.

[Columbia]

61. Without people bitching, there would never be change

And isn't that what progressivism is all about? Positive change?

You may be satisfied with that kind of "high mark" of diversity, but I am not.

[mouse7]

62. It's not about treating historic positive firsts with riots and gunfire

*AA* has put together a historically diverse air-staff, and all you guys can do is lob grenades that it's not a case study in perfect diversity, and they are bigots because it's not perfect.

Your game has gotten old, Columbia. You don't spend time bitching about Bush. You spend your time bitching about Democrats. You need to go back to youre civics classes and get reminded about who is in charge in this society, and who is to blame for what's going on in it.

The reThugs run the WH, Congress, and court system, not the Dems. Yet you seem to only find time to bitch about all the "wrongs" you claim Dems do.

[Columbia]

64. Stop trying to put words in my mouth

I post when I disagree with things. I am not one to clutter up the boards with "me too" posts so you will not see me on those threads. If you have a problem with my criticisms, then take them up, don't turn it into a litmus test of what criticisms are valid and what are not. I argue for progressivm, not against, and if you have a problem with that, then that's too bad.

[Name removed]

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[Columbia]

71. If you don't like me

Feel free to put me on ignore. I highly advise it in fact.

Your twist of logic that being for progressivism is somehow being against it does not hold well.

[mouse7]

76. No... the rubbish you pollute threads with needs to be answered with truth

No, the last thing a thread flamer and polluter should have happen is have less truth presented to the rubbish they heap on threads.

[sangh0]

74. So how much diversity has YOUR bitching achieved?

Without people bitching, there would never be change

BTW, you're talking to somone who has helped thousands of poor people, many of them people of color:

a) vote
b) keep their jobs
c) keep their homes
d) get into college
e) stay out of jail

and I do it for thousands of dollars less than I could make in the private market *AND* I don't have to bitch to do it.

So how's your bitching going?

[Columbia]

81. I'll believe you

When you support there being more racial diversity on Air America.

[mouse7]

92. Columbia does no work for progressives, and gives neo-cons free pass

I'll believe Columbia when Columbia stops doing the work of the neo-cons for them.

[sangh0]

94. So how much diversity has YOUR bitching achieved?

Answer the question, and maybe I'll believe you

[sangh0]

79. You don't know the facts about AA

Affirmative Action, that is.

DO you know how AA calculates diversity (racial, gender, etc) in an organization?

Hint: They don't restrict themselves to the people the public sees.

[Columbia]

85. And you do?

Different organizations implement AA differently.

The overall goal is to achieve adequate representation in areas that are historically underrepresented.

[mouse7]

95. And women aren't in that group, huh

Air America has the most diverse air staff in regards to sex in the history of commercial broadcasting, but that don't count because Columbia says so.

[Columbia]

99. Again, you mislead

I've always said that women were well-represented. Racial minorities, however, are not.

[mouse7]

107. No, that would be you doing the misleading

If we don't beat you over the head with the % of females on the air staff, you immediate revert to general charge of general underrepresentation withing a couple of posts.

African-Amreicans are represented as well, so lets make sure everyone knows this is about the lack of two of potentially hundreds of "underrepresented" minority groups you could pull out of the air.

[sangh0]

96. Yes, it's part of my job

ANd you explained nothing. You merely repeated phrases.

What is "adequate representation"? What "areas"? etc

ANd my question was pretty specific "DO you know how AA calculates diversity (racial, gender, etc) in an organization?"

You did nothing to answer that question

[Old and In the Way]

98. And no eskimos, too!

Where are the eskimo's????

[RapidCreek]

26. I'm curious...

do you know the racial make up of the hosts of AA? If they look white, they are white eh?

I myself am very white....and I gaurantee you you don't know my racial make up. I have blond hair too...real blond hair...and Jeanine's dyed hair just ain't cutting it..I want a host on the show with blond hair...I want a host on the show with blond hair who has the same racial make up I do.....of course, like I said you don't know what that is....and if you did such a host would be pretty hard to come by.

RC

[Columbia]

35. Another great argument against Affirmative Action

Keep 'em coming DUers. Great progressivism here.

[sangh0]

40. Another "Do you still beat your wife" style post

Keep 'em coming Columboa. Great progressivism there

[Columbia]

47. Good Strawman sangh0

Thanks for your input.

[corporatewhore]

13. Amy goodman co-hosts with Juan Gonzalez

[mouse7]

16. Juan Gonzales isn't lead host. That means DN! is bigoted, too

I don't see a minority in charge on DN!. That means DN! is just as bigoted as *AA*. White people in charge in DN!, too.

[corporatewhore]

22. Democracy now is only one program on free speech

and pacifica they have many other programing too. you see i dont think that air america is bigoted just wish it had more diversity and to bring more voices in the more the merryier i say

[mouse7]

25. Like Chomsky, Palast, Ivans, Zinn, Starhawk, Carlin, Biafra?

Gee, they're all WHITE PEOPLE, aren't they?

[corporatewhore]

28. look you are so obsessed that i mentioned air america

has mainly white people (which it does) and i would like to see a morediversified programming from pacifica.But wouldnt you like to hear commentary from a more divesified backround? if it is playing the race card then so be it

[mouse7]

36. Finally the truth... that you play race card without a case

You've totally neglected the REAL FACT that *AA* actually has a staff made up of half women. *AA* has more female air staff than your "dream list" does.

[sangh0]

41. And guess which group benefits most from AA?

White woman!!!

[ikojo]

101. Amy Goodman is Jewish so in essence

a minority (Jews are less than 2% of the US population) is host of Democracy Now!

Trying to inject some much needed humor.

[Old and In the Way]

8. Sounds like he's unhappy that liberal/progressives are getting

some national voice on the airwaves. Hmmmm, already trying to discredit the message? Sure sounds like it to me.

[corporatewhore]

29. like to hear more progressive and less DLC "liberal" voices

[sangh0]

31. Then start a radio station

I doubt that AA is going to bash Dems just to please you

[Old and In the Way]

83. Good idea!

CW could probably get the Republicans to help underwrite it, too! Of course, he'd have to stick to the "there's no difference between Republicans and Democrats" script.

He could give Ralph his own radio program where Ralph can explain how voting for him will fix everything!

[Old and In the Way]

114. They could name it Air People4Change America.

yeah, that's the ticket.... :-)

[lectrobyte]

5. Stoopid newbie question: What is Radio CW? Thanks! <nt>

[corporatewhore]

7. the name of my fantasy radio program

[lectrobyte]

11. duh! thanks, I really wanted to go hear it. <nt>

[ElsewheresDaughter]

15. corpwhore i eeeeeee Chihuahua a no chihauhua avatar...

[CatWoman]

20. why do you have to insult Air America

to promote your fantasies?

[sangh0]

52. Because that was the point

.

[sangh0]

32. Fantasies not reality!!

The new slogan of the loony left.

They'd rather enjoy their fantasies than engage with reality

[derby378]

10. I think...

...it's a play on the poster's name (corporatewhore).

[buycitgo]

12. for starters, it would be helpful to get your BASIC FACTS straight, pal

morning drive show:
two guys and a woman

AM show:
two women and a guy

Al Franken:
Al and a woman

Randi Rhodes:
Randi Rhodes

hour long show:
Marty Kaplan

Majority Report:
Janeane Garofalo
..... Seder

so, is that mostly white guys?

the weekend format, as of this first time, had more women than men, the two men on were Chuck D and another African American, discussing music, btw

so your basic premise is totally WRONG

nice try though

[sangh0]

33. Maybe someone doesn't like white women

:shrug:

[buycitgo]

109. just curious.....to whom are you referring?

[sangha]

120. To those who think a station with so many women

is dominated by "white men"

[DBoon]

17. What sort of bigotry keeps Jello Biafra off AA?

Anti-aging-70s-punk-rocker bigotry?

[CatWoman]

19. I thought I'd seen it all

this is a really innappropriate thread.

Sorry I clicked on it.

speaking of hot air.........

[Cocoa]

23. your list sounds boring

that lineup would be a huge suckfest, imo, as intelligent and correct as some of those people are.

[corporatewhore]

30. I have seen a number of those people speak and they were quite

captivating

[sangh0]

38. Most of them also quite

white

[mouse7]

54. White and male bias in looney left

Looks like questions of diversity from looney left really aren't as important as they claim, huh?

[sangh0]

57. White and female

.

[Cocoa]

44. for about two minutes maybe

then after you've gotten the absolute lefty truth, what's the point in listening anymore?

[hiphopnation]

37. CW, please draft a letter!

Please draft a letter to AA stating, as eloquently as possilbe, your wishes to have the above mentioned people given host spots somewhere in the line-up and bring the letter here for DUers to sign off.

Give AA time!! It's a week on the air!! DU is a powerful force and we could lobby for some change over there!! Contact them, write letters, emails, phonecalls!

Or not...

[Gothic Sponge]

42. You can hear many of those people here

http://www.wbai.org/

[hiphopnation]

45. Thanks.

I've listened to Pacifica. It's great. But I'm still going to be listening to AA as well. :)

We get Pacifica out here in SF.

[Gothic Sponge]

49. I don't understand why people are getting so upset

I've listened to WBAI for years, and most of the hosts are minorities. I never said to myself "where are all the white hosts?" Okay, so most of the hosts on AA are white, but who cares about color? We are all on the same team. Give the network a chance.

[hiphopnation]

58. Agreed.

It's a bit disconcerting. AA could end up being a different flavor of progressive radio. It's not called "Air Minority America".

but who cares about color

Oddly enough those who really care about color are the same people who's prescription for the nations continued obsession with race is that "color shouldn't matter". And I don't doubt thier most sincere intentions to erradicate racism. But what they often don't see is that by getting bent out of shape and pissed off over "issues of race" which are actually non-issues they keep the wound open. It's a kind of "chasing your tail" type problem.

[NuttyFluffers]

63. i enjoy it, and given time i'm sure it'd be diverse.

they needed big names first. so that's how it is. they needed to appeal to a large group and whites are the largest group in america. but that doens't mean that new shows added to slots will be white all the time. i'm sure there'll be diversity.

and if not, just their sheer profitability will encourage other entrepeneur stations to get those you mentioned. what i hear is expecting the moon from this station, but it's just an early first step. but think - in time it'll change the thinking and encourage those very voices in being considered "marketably viable."

for what it is, it is a great station. can it be better tailered to other groups? yes. can it be everything to everyone on the get go? only in dream. but what a wonderful opportunity to open doors!

soon, soon your wish might come true!

[Columbia]

65. It will be more diverse if we ask it to be

It's too bad most of the people here don't ask it to be at all.

[mouse7]

68. Quit griping about historic high water mark for diversity

Air America started up with the most diverse air staff in the history of comercial radio, and all you can do is lob grenades at it.

[hiphopnation]

70. see post #37

With all of the time/energy you've spent bashing people at DU for not being pro-active enough, you could have drafted a letter and a petition, posted a thread requesting signatures, and dropped it in a mailbox to AA. Instead you're just picking fights. It's kinda creepy. :thumbsdown:

[Columbia]

75. I've wrote my letter already

Why start a petition if people here won't sign it?

[Gothic Sponge]

97. Sigh!

Why are you turning this into a racial issue? I've listened to WBAI for years, i never had a beef with the lack of white hosts. Not everything in life has to revolve around our color. You're coming off as a racist.

[Old and In the Way]

103. More concerned with appearance than the content, Columbia?

Sure seems to be the sole point of your argument here.

[Columbia]

105. It's about underrepresented racial minorities having a voice

That's the point of the argument.

[sangh0]

108. So how many minorities work at AA?

FOr that matter, how may work at DU?

[Old and In the Way]

111. George Bush has 3 Blacks in his cabinet and senior staff.

Guess that makes his agenda pro-diversity.

And let's not forget about Eskimo representation. I'm going to write AA and get them to hire more Eskimos!

[IronLionZion]

73. mainly white guys?

theres a good many women on there and I think Franken is Jewish. Chuck D is not there to be a token black guy, he's there because he's Chuck D and for his political views.

[Selwynn]

78. I just wish they would move Garofalo to Rhodes' time slot.

that way I could listern to Majority Report at work..

[wyldwolf]

82. Why? Rhodes is the clear ratings winner...

[Selwynn]

119. Umm...because I like Garafalo more?

[wyldwolf]

123. you're entitled to your opinion, of course, but since afternoon drive...

..is arguably the most high profile and profitable daypart in radio, it is unlikely Garafalo would have such a timeslot.

[maddezmom]

90. start it up. corporatewhore

:) Personally, I enjoy most of the programming on Air America, but love to have more choices and diversity on the airwaves.

[booley]

110. You know, a lot of these people you mention

..you can hear on OTHER radio stations..like pacifica. not to mention you can see them on FSTV.

Whats witht his idiotic stance of all of nothing? That if you don't like some of AA you can't hear any of it? Or that you can't listen to more then one place? Conservatives have speakers on numerouse stations and lierally flood the airwaves. Why do liberals have to limit themselves?

I listen to Amy Goodman on Democracy Now AND I listen to Rhandi Rhodes and Al Franken.

Do I think AA should have more people? Yes. Do I think they can find lots of good people who also happen to be black or hispanic or whatever? Hell yes. But they just started and they have to grow and develop. just becuase you have great liberal views doesn't mean you would be good on the radio or that you have the interest and Time.
Chappelle may be very good on AA. So would Chris rock. But last I heard both were doing TV and were reaching a hell lot more people. And again, Amy and Juan are already on Pacifica and having them move to AA would actually hurt liberal radio becuase they woud have to leave pacifica.

Not to mention, you bitch about the AA being just "White Guys" If you hadn't said "GUYS" I may have agreed with you but last I heard, about half the big names oon AA are WOMEN! And I might even have taken you more seriously if a number of the people you want to see on AA weren't WHITE GUYS themselves!
How can you even tell what color a person is on radio anyway?

[Old and In the Way]

113. "How can you even tell what color a person is on radio anyway?"

Ask Columbia to explain, he has apparently done a lot of research on this subject.

[NightTrain]

115. Your little fantasy network wouldn't last six months.

Lucky for you, a fantasy radio network doesn't have to worry about getting ratings and pulling in advertising revenue. But a real radio network does. As such, you may want to leave the running of Air America to people who actually know something about broadcasting.

[He loved Big Brother]

118. It's unbecoming to mock each other's visions

What's with the bitterness? It's just as important that Air America listen to our ideas as it is we listen to theirs.

[He loved Big Brother]

116. CW, write to AA

Give them your suggestions, give them more time, and THEN dis them.

I'm 24 and I'm liking it. And I'm sure not a DLC liberal. And who cares what color people are if they are speaking the truth. I think Chapelle and Chris Rock and Cynthia McKinney and Aaron McGruder will be on before the elections anyway because they are obvious choices.

Someone said "Chomsky, Palast, Ivans, Zinn, Starhawk, Carlin, Biafra", and I think that list of people are also obvious choices.

But damn, give them time.

[He loved Big Brother]

117. By the way, I hope they do something with Randi Rhodes

Maybe replace her with Ivins? :D

[bpilgrim]

121. sign me up!

:wow:

peace

[ParanoidPat]

122. I'd rather put you on ignore and continue to listen to Air America!

Just MHO! :evilgrin: