Even if you don't like libertarians

[MrMonk]

you have to admit that sometimes they're on the side of the people.

http://nytimes.com/2004/04/05/business/05reason.html?8hpib

"When the 40,000 subscribers to Reason, the monthly libertarian magazine, receive a copy of the June issue, they will see on the cover a satellite photo of a neighborhood - their own neighborhood. And their house will be graphically circled."

An illustration of the power of databases in an information age.

[BradCKY]

1. Well

They are left on social issues, thats always a plus, better than a right leaning social agenda ALONG with a right leaning economic agenda.

[noahmijo]

2. I'm an ex Libertarian

I consider myself a Libertarian-leaning liberal. Believe it or not even economically you'll find a few things you'd agree with them on. They oppose corporate welfare and price floors and ceilings.

They were also among the first groups to publically proclaim their dislike for the Bush administration with their headline "Now that the GOP is in control hang onto your wallet!"

I predict an alliance with both the libertarians and greens in this upcoming election.

[Prodemsouth]

8. But in the end they always go to the right or vote Republican. I have

never seen a Libertarian side with the Democrats. In election after election they will always side with Republicans if its very close (unlike our left third parties). I don't like them at all, they are social Darwins, and they only pay lip service to those "left" social issues you DLC types seem to think are so important with "swing" voters.

[BradCKY]

11. No

I believe in the DLC values because they represent what I believe for the most part, not because of just swing voters.

[DrWeird]

3. Well, they're on the side of the white people.

Anybody who wants to roll back civil rights is no friend of mine.

[Columbia]

5. How do they want to roll back civil rights?

[BradCKY]

6. Exactly

I was under the impression they wanted equality for all.

[Prodemsouth]

17. No, they are "strict constitutionalist" which means they are state rights

Listen to Kneel Boortz (sp- don't care) He is a Libertarian and you will find when it gets thick for the GOP he is there. I have co workers who claim to be Libertarian, they are the same way. In every case where a run off election is required because winning a office requires a majority not a plurality, the losing Libertarian has ALWAYS backed the Republican. The Libertarian Party would have stopped the patriot act if there was anything to them- they were AWOL- while Bush rolled over our rights. At least the Democrats have the excuse that they would be viewed as weak on terrorism if they didn't support these obscene measures. The Libertarians did nothing- no political will or capt. spent to stop this at all.

[arewethereyet]

25. you were apparently ignoring Boortz on Patriot act

and about how much will and capital do they have at the national level ? get real.

[Prodemsouth]

27. Which is why they are a waste of time.. sounds like someone besides

me needs to get real.

[arewethereyet]

29. you make statements that are untrue and I have problems ? please...

[Prodemsouth]

31. What statements did I make that were untrue.. of forgive me if I happen to

miss the once in a Blue Moon when Boortz disagrees with something Bush and the GOP do. He was for the Iraq war. He supports Repugs over Dems - Like Saxby Chambliss over Max Cleland. Libertarians SUCK.. They side with the GOP over Dems every time, I have never seen them or him (Boortz) defend a Dem over a GOP when it mattered. They are useless. That is my story and I am sticking to it.

[Sandpiper]

33. Boortz is a Bush boot licker

And calling him a libertarian is an insult to real libertarians who a solidly anti Bush and anti war. The guy who runs Antiwar.com is a libertarian, and called Neal Boortz a fascist.

[Touchdown]

10. By repealing AA and civil rights laws all over the country.

It's in their platform.

[Columbia]

13. I know about their stance regarding AA

But what others do they want to repeal?

[DrWeird]

15. A resident libertarian on these boards...

believes that a propreitor should be able to exclude blacks from his lunch counter if he so wishes.

[Columbia]

16. Is that a party platform or one of that individual?

[DrWeird]

18. Not sure, but I've heard it echoed by many libertarians.

Touchdown seems to know more about the official platform then me. Given the neo nazi Pat Buchanan's position in the Libertarian party, I wouldn't doubt it.

[rinsd]

20. That's the Reform party

"Given the neo nazi Pat Buchanan's position in the Libertarian party, I wouldn't doubt it."

Which he and his pitchfork brigade staged a coup over Perot supporters(who had started the party). It was all about the federal dollars the Reform party was entitled to based on Perot's previous showings in national elections.

[arewethereyet]

4. they're on the side of the people ALL the time

as in "We the people..." they actually believe that stuff and so do I.

[leftyandproud]

28. YES! Thank you...The LP is really the only consisten party...

standing for less government and more individual freedom across the board, in every situation. They basically believe there shold be three laws on the books:

Don't lie.
Don't cheat.
Don't steal.

Other than that, you are free to do as you please with your life. You are free to enter into voluntary exchanges with other adults, either socially or in the business world--100% free from interference or punishment. Aside from protecting people from theft and violence, there will be little need for government in a Libertarian world.

[arewethereyet]

30. correct

you are free to do whatever so long as it does not infringe on the life, liberty or property of another.

If thats not a concept of personal freedom that one can't accept I don't know what is.

[Sandpiper]

32. So, do you support

Unregulated predatory capitalism? The libertarian party certainly does, and that is why I found my way out of it.

The market is not benevolent and could care less about the common good. It cares about one thing only, profit. And when profit collides with human need, for libertarians, profit wins the day.

I cannot support putting profits ahead of people, and consequently, could never buy into the LP's laissez faire fantasies.

[corporatewhore]

7. i have worked with them on getting an anti patriot act resolution

they also didnt like the war and they dont like freetrade

[wyldwolf]

9. true libertarians, yes, but not the faux republican libertarian wannabes

[daa]

19. Like Boortz

Some libertarians waanted him kicked off the conventions because he is so pro war and Libertarians are not. He also voted for repuke Bubba Saxby Chambliss. He is the bush suck up that said Dems held up going to Iraq and had we gone in two months earlier we would have found the WMD.

[Prodemsouth]

22. Yeah and central campaign theme that Chambliss ran on was support for

Homeland security. - expansion of government! Wanted to have him kicked off ahey?? Well.. did it happen? Libertarians are a total waste.
All third parties are a waste. I admit I went through a "Libertarian" stage but mine ended before 25!!!

[daa]

23. Mine ended

When Pat Buchannan got more votes than the Libertarian candidate running for the 2nd or 3rd time. They are hopless.

[Fleshdancer]

12. I don't know too much about the Libertarian platform

I've always wondered what their take on foriegn policy was. Is it more of an isolationist view with closed borders like Pat Buchanan? Maybe later tonight I'll google the topic and learn something.

[noahmijo]

14. Exactly the opposite

They support open borders to the point where Border Patrol doesn't even exist.

Truthfully back in my Libertarian days this was one thing that I strongly disagreed with them on. I don't believe in closed borders, but I do believe in a border policy that allows immigration but not just ANYBODY to freely come into the country. People who want to work and are legitimately seeking a better life should be allowed in, terrorists and others who would seek to cause our nation harm should be screened out.

[rinsd]

21. Here's their home page

http://www.lp.org/

[muriel_volestrangler]

24. So what are they trying to say?

That, given someone's address, they can find their house? Big deal. That's the whole frickin' point of an address. Everyone can do this on several web sites already, for free.

Or are they trying to impress us that they can individually print the covers of the magazine? It is more impressive, if the cover is stapled in the normal way, not just a piece of paper folded round the normal magazine.

[sangha]

26. Is that why they say tobacco isn't addictive?

.

[Sandpiper]

34. Libertarians are on the side of rich people

As for regular people, well, that's another story.

Libertarians oppose:

Unions
Minimum Wage Laws
Regulation of any kind on Industry
Social Security
Medicare
Social Welfare of any kind

[Solon]

35. One thing I find amusing...

Libertarians are supposedly for total civil and economic rights for individuals, and even groups incorporated to make a profit. Yet they oppose other citizens from organizing groups to help improve working conditions? Can you say hypocrisy, knew you could!