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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 09:56 PM Original message |
'second wave feminism" |
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The empressof all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
1. Nostalgic |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 10:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. We've advanced |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 07:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
49. I understand the importance of feminism, and I'm doing my best |
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baffie (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 10:59 AM Response to Reply #1 |
131. I see no gratitude in younger women, but I think it's ignorance |
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curse10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
2. 2nd wave is actually what is most commonly |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 10:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. But why demonize the earlier movements and issues? |
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curse10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 10:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. third wave is not an attempt to demonize |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 10:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Well, I'm glad you are empowered |
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curse10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 10:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Don't assume I know nothing about 70s feminism |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 11:07 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Why do we have to find new ways? |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 11:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. that's why I think the third wave feminism is dumb that way |
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curse10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 03:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. you can't prefer one over the other |
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curse10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 03:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. It's not like someone just sat down and said, let's have a new wave |
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curse10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 03:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. and no one is rejecting anything |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 07:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
60. Why find "new ways" indeed...? |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:22 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. hey, let's do the crowd wave! |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:35 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. If women wouldn't allow themselves to get splintered off |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:36 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. well, I think that some women give in too easily to societal ideals |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 10:05 PM Response to Reply #69 |
91. Gee, that must mean they're stronger than we are. |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 10:12 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. It's to be proud of one's feminity, I think |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 10:37 PM Response to Reply #94 |
102. By being tough and hard? |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 01:33 AM Response to Reply #102 |
114. That's why supporting sexist slurs is so antithetical to the |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 03:05 AM Response to Reply #91 |
122. Still working on Equal Rights |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 09:56 AM Response to Reply #122 |
129. Thanks, loyalsister |
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ant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
70. I'm a third waver |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:41 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. In my opinion, all women should reclaim the word "feminist" |
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ant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:43 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. I completely agree |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:43 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. haha, where are you? |
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ant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:58 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. heh |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:59 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. and that's why I get pissed off when I hear that CVS lets their |
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ant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 09:01 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. reproductive rights... |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 02:56 AM Response to Reply #12 |
121. It's integartion rather than rejection |
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ant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
63. just so you know |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 10:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. I understand the importance of the 70s feminism |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 11:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. I don't think that is what third wave means |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 12:01 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. So, it intellectualizes the issue? |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 01:21 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Nope. It's inherently political |
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ant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:50 PM Response to Reply #16 |
75. quick question |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 09:03 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Thanks |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 09:21 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. I think it's both |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 09:36 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. I like Judith Butler |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 01:13 AM Response to Reply #82 |
111. I do too, Cally |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 01:31 AM Response to Reply #111 |
113. I also heard that third wave feminism also supports challenging |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 01:51 AM Response to Reply #113 |
116. You may have heard that |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 02:07 AM Response to Reply #116 |
117. so, basically, it's "nonconfrontational feminism?" |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 02:11 AM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Nope |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 02:16 AM Response to Reply #118 |
119. sounds like it to me in not challenging sexist language |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 02:24 AM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Well, as I wrote above |
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ant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 09:43 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. a collision of isms, it seems |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 01:15 AM Response to Reply #85 |
112. I'd also add, only half-jokingly |
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ant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 12:51 PM Response to Reply #112 |
132. oh, I agree |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 03:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
20. Deleted message |
slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 03:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. exactly...I'm already learning what the boundaries are |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
65. I got deleted for talking about setting boundaries! |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 10:04 PM Response to Reply #65 |
90. You got deleted for a broad slight |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 10:18 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. I meant everything I said, so they can delete this as well. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 06:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. Deleted message |
Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 06:20 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Thank you for all your concern... |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 06:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Welcome to public discussion |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 07:19 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. My sensitivity |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 09:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
86. hold on a minute |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 10:20 PM Response to Reply #86 |
98. Ah, good |
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curse10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 06:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Not being called names! |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 07:50 PM Response to Reply #32 |
61. I started to reply to your other response |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:27 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. that's an important distinction you made, Kanary |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 06:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
29. first wave might be the american indians |
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ant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
62. question |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:28 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Hmm, sounds like something my fiance said in 1971. He said, |
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ant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:38 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. wow |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 11:12 PM Response to Reply #67 |
104. it's a good thing that you dumped him |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 01:06 AM Response to Reply #67 |
110. I'm reminded of a Roseanne Barr quotation |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
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ToTellTheTruth (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 10:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Ahhh... that's a mature and thoughtful post. |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 03:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. Great illustration |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 06:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Thanks |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 06:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. I didn't think it was particularly funny |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 06:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I'm sorry I didn't mean anything by it. |
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ant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 09:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
81. hard to articulate this, but here goes |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 09:40 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. None of us should tell someone the language or ways of behavior |
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ant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 10:00 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. a missed opportunity? |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 10:09 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. I think I insulted you and that was not my intent |
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ant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 10:19 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. I wasn't offended |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 09:52 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. And your friend straightens up and flies right |
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ant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 10:08 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. heh |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 10:24 PM Response to Reply #92 |
99. "teasing" |
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ant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 11:00 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. I'm sorry, I wasn't clear |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 10:33 PM Response to Reply #92 |
100. Umm, I don't think I ever said that the personal can't be discussed |
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ant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 11:12 PM Response to Reply #100 |
105. as long as I'm still around... |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 07:14 PM Response to Reply #23 |
47. that's why the word "Bitch" is a sexist slur |
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curse10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. yet you bandy the term about like it's nothing |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 07:30 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Oh. My. Goodness. |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 07:30 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. none of those words were used as a sexist slur to put women down |
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curse10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 07:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. "bitchy" is an adjective |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 07:36 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. it is not used as a sexist slur to say "oh my god, what a FUCKING bitch!" |
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curse10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 07:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. man, I've gotta stop debating this with you |
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rumguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
9. everything changes |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
21. Further reading |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 03:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. And when those people discover that much is illusion |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 03:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. No you don't |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 06:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. i don't have anything else to add except: |
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bobbieinok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
26. I find this discussion very interesting |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 06:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. I don't think you are wrong in your comparison |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
27. Third wavers have different personal experiences |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 06:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. Correct! They also have no concept of what the term "sisterhood" |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 06:28 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I haven't seen the raking over the coals |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 06:32 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. If you haven't seen it |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 06:50 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Do you understand that you dished many of us |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 06:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. "Cloistered" was figurative |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Glad to hear you also remember fondly "sisterhood" |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 07:26 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. oh my goodness, how dare we speak up against the use of sexist |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 07:30 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Gonna hafta get out my "Uppity Woman" button |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 07:32 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. I'm proud to be an uppity woman! |
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ant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 11:40 PM Response to Reply #56 |
106. sounds like you're reclaiming |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 11:55 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. what a coincidence---I'm at a women's college too |
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ant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 01:05 PM Response to Reply #108 |
134. a Smithie AND a Texan? |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 11:58 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. As for "reclaiming"...... |
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ant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 01:01 PM Response to Reply #109 |
133. I meant no offense |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 07:07 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. and defend the use of sexist slurs all they want while ignoring |
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alarcojon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
41. Great thread! |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 06:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Love your last paragraph |
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alarcojon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 07:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. and I love both your paragraphs! |
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NMDemDist2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
83. Oh good grief |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 09:55 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. Thank you for giving us our marching orders n/t |
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NMDemDist2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 10:13 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. no thank you K |
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apnu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
101. Feminism is cool no matter what. |
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Dover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
107. Maybe one mistake of the women's movement was to think women |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 01:41 AM Response to Reply #107 |
115. YES YES YES i sick of feminists telling me that society will be alright |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 07:11 AM Response to Reply #115 |
125. kick |
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Nobody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 06:38 AM Response to Original message |
123. I'm just a feminist |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 06:48 AM Response to Reply #123 |
124. I so totally hear you! |
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NMDemDist2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 08:13 AM Response to Reply #123 |
127. but your name is "Nobody" take a stand there woman! n/t |
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Nobody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 04:55 PM Response to Reply #127 |
135. But... |
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skippysmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 07:35 AM Response to Original message |
126. I guess I'm a third wave person |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
128. we need to widen feminism to make a broader appeal... |
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130. Wow. |
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