OFFICIAL THREAD: 9/11 Testimony of Condoleezza Rice

[JohnLocke]

Helpful Links
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http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=4786297">Rice Plans Unapologetic 9/11 Testimony (Reuters)
Who is Condoleezza Rice? (biographical profile)
Panel May Avoid Partisanship in Public Questioning of Rice (New York Times story)
Condoleezza Rice to defend Bush at 9/11 commission (CBC)
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[underpants]

1. Link to C-Span "Condi"

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan3_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

[DS1]

2. Prepared to be angry, 20 minutes till whitewash

[soup]

11. I think I'm ready

checklist:

removed all sharp and/or heavy objects from area
taped off outside area below window nearest to television (left window open to lower replacement cost)
tightly wrapped head in towel to avoid unsightly mess on walls when head explodes
pre-empted possible concussions by padding monitor and nearby walls

have I forgotten anything?

just have a feeling shutting the tv off would be so much better.

[JohnLocke]

15. LMAO (nt).

[SammyWinstonJack]

55. LOL

"just have a feeling shutting the tv off would be so much better." Yep!

[WillyT]

67. ROTFLMAO !!!

Classic!!!

:yourock:

[slinkerwink]

3. kick

[Loonman]

4. These dorks are already up to 70+ posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1113643/posts?q=1&&page=1


Check out the "making history" BS.

Yet they call us the "elitists".

Go figure....

[Q]

5. Welcome to the 9-11 / Rice Dog and Pony Show

- I realize that some of you are very excited about the prospect of one of the Bush* administration's Top Liars going before the 9-11 Commission to testify. But aren't you expecting a bit too much out of a commission that has had their hands tied from the very beginning?

- This commission has absolutely no power to get to the real truth or expose wrongdoing by the Bush* government. They're nothing more than another version of the Warren Commission...put together to confuse the issue instead of finding clarity and truth.

- Bush* is going to skate away from these hearings smelling like a rose in full bloom. Clinton will take most of the blame and derided for 'not doing enough about terrorism'. The Bushies will get away with blaming Clinton because they're refusing to hand over to the majority of the documents related to his administration's efforts against terrorism during the 90s.

- Sit back and enjoy the show...but don't expect anything other than what we've seen so far.

[xultar]

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[ConcernedCanuk]

6. How many Condi "faces" are we going to see today I wonder ? ?

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What's YOUR favorite Condi "face" ?

[BarbaRosa]

174. My favorite Condi face

http//www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=43954

[JohnLocke]

7. Kick (nt)

[Habibi]

8. Peanuts! Getcher peanuts!

[JohnLocke]

9. LMAO (nt).

[xultar]

10. Is there another stream becides c-span? n/t

[slinkerwink]

12. I'm watching with anticipation.....

[matcom]

13. who wants to monitor FREEPERVILLE??

i can't stomach it but someone should keep up with their spin

[Stuckinthebush]

14. ACK! Not me, man!

I want to enjoy my viewing experience!

[underpants]

18. All you need to know about Condi on today's Inside Edition

http://www.insideedition.com /

It's not on the site yet but they will tell us where she shops for shoes, what she does on weekends (I guess that doesn't include securing the nation), and where she eats.

Seriously.

[rocktivity]

16. Here she comes...your ideal....

:headbang:
rocknation

[matcom]

17. Dead Woman Walking

[Algorem]

19. "Rice faces accusation on eve of testimony"-will it be mentioned?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,1188133,00.html

[ConcernedCanuk]

20. "Did George Bush wander off the reservation so to speak" - LOL

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Did George W Bush wander off the reservation so to speak by leaving Afghanistan to invade Iraq"

CBC NewsWorld

- gotta love our Canuk commentators !

[soup]

21. The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

nods.

[Brotherjohn]

22. How appropriate that I was just listening to a story about RATS on NPR.

[Brotherjohn]

30. DELETED.

[rocktivity]

23. HEY! I didn't hear her SAY she swore to tell the truth!

:headbang:
rocknation

[underpants]

24. DON'T DO IT CONDI!!!!!!!!!

Too late she already took the oath.

[JohnLocke]

25. WTF was with the oath?

[ConcernedCanuk]

45. She didn't say it out loud, so it WON'T be in the Transcript.

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And the Commission didn't call her on it.

The sham is complete.

"But I DIDN'T swear to tell the truth, check the transcript, check the tapes !"

and the deceit continues . . .

[johnfunk]

26. Condi: Blah blah blah

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah freedom-hating terrorists blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah attacks blah blah blah blah bombings blah blah these and other atrocities blah blah blah blah... Clinton's fault blah blah blah blah...

[The Backlash Cometh]

27. She started nervous.

fast and breathless. She's slowing down to point out the "sustained systematic" hits that occurred before the Bush Administration.

[johnfunk]

28. She does sound nervous...

... I guess the beta blockers haven't kicked in yet...

[Imperialism Inc.]

29. She is still nervous at the Nazi part. (NT)

[Mari333]

31. First Lie, she said Bush was "elected". n/t

[samsingh]

187. bush was selected - hasn't she committed perjury already?

[DoYouEverWonder]

35. She's already rattled and all she's done is tell us about

US History.

[Solly Mack]

47. A skewed take on US history, at that....

amazing...........

[RoyGBiv]

131. Glad someone else noticed that...

n/t

[RoyGBiv]

162. Up and to the Left

Watch her head and eyes during difficult comments...

Eyes either flutter or go up and to the left.

Classic signs of someone lying.

[WillyT]

32. The Friggin Lusitannia ?!?!?!

How about that hollow horse do-hickey that they named condoms after???

:wtf:

[Plaid Adder]

39. Yeah, I mean why not.

Although I guess Troy wasn't a 'democratic society.'

@#$!,

The Plaid Adder

[The Backlash Cometh]

56. Pearl Harbor too.

But give her credit. I didn't hear anything about the battle of the Somme, nor the Alamo nor Custard's last stand.

[zulchzulu]

65. She didn't want to mention the Titanic because...

...that's what the BushCo Machine is.

[Plaid Adder]

33. Does Condi always sound this nervous?

I have never heard her speak before; I dunno. But she doesn't sound comfy up there.

"We will remain at war until the terrorist threat is ended?" Boy, THAT'S going to make the rest of our lives a whole lotta fun.

@#$!,

The plaid Adder

[The Backlash Cometh]

46. She's slowing down now. Especially to point out that she kept the

entire Clinton team on terrorism. (too bad she didn't listen to them.)

[blondeatlast]

141. She sounds like she may blow an artery--SHE IS DAMN SCARED.

[laruemtt]

34. do y'all see the "poise"

they keep talking about??? she is a walking lie - shaky voice, petrified look, all of it!!!! how stupid are the mercan people???? look at what's in front of you people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DemLikr]

92. Yup. She usually sounds like she's about to hyperventilate...

...and very shaky.

To answer your question; unfortunately, most of the American people are fairly stupid, by choice.

[Brotherjohn]

36. THEIR response was insufficient? How many have died from terror...

... since GWB took office? Not even counting 9-11, I'd guess many more than in the last term or two.

Riyadh, Bali, Casablanca, Madrid, Iraq... shall I go on?

[soup]

37. Truth # 1

under bush's leadership we will remain at war...

[rocktivity]

52. She is NOT sworn in!

She is NOT on record on having said she'd tell the truth! She's off the hook! THIS IS A FARCE ALREADY!

:headbang:
rocknation

[NNN0LHI]

38. She sounds nervous as hell to me. Voice breaking up

[PaDUer]

42. A lot of makeup

on today..false face!

[zulchzulu]

48. I'd be nervous too

With all that blood on your hands and knowing that Cheney wants your head first before they get his...

[Simeon Salus]

60. And this is her "prepared" address

I wonder how bad she'll shuffle papers during her answers to questions?

[Habibi]

40. Setting up to

blame Clinton.

[Plaid Adder]

49. 2nd lie: President Bush "understood" something.

And the "swatting flies" thing again. I guess that's why he was so hot on the 'flypaper strategy.'

@#$!,

The Plaid Adder

[JaySherman]

53. "*I* took the unusual step of retaining Dick Clarke"

LMAO. You and Clinton, and Bush 41...

[Imperialism Inc.]

41. I kept Dick Clarke. *choke* *cry*. ah shit why i'd do that (nt)

[johnfunk]

44. More blah blah

We understood the threat blah blah blah blah blah blah we listened to Sandy Berger blah blah blah blah blah blah and (frog in her throat) I took over blah blah blah blah continuity while developing new policies blah blah blah blah Bush asks lotsa questions <"Where's my pretzels and Jack?"> blah blah blah blah I took a lot of phone calls and spoke a lot about Al Qaeda but I had other priorit... er, issues to deal with blah blah blah blah

[Mari333]

57. Bush got tired of swatting flies? what?

and wheres ALL the Clinton era documents..we want them ALL. not just some of them.

[displacedtexan]

70. She can't even read her freeping statement!

Respite??

Not respite(pronounced res' pit)?
Doesn't this woman have a doctorate? Jeez, Louise! How embarrassing!

A broader package of strategies???

How about explaining the DOWNGRADING OF COUNTER-TERRORISM?

[Mandate My Ass]

50. Blaming Clinton for not "taking care" of Iraq

Insufficient response

[Brotherjohn]

51. LIE! The no-fly zones are NOT enforcing UNSC Resolutions!

They are our own idea.

[Brotherjohn]

58. Did she just say Al Qaeda was their No. 1 priority before 9-11?!?

THAT'S IT!! I don't care about any agreements. Put Bush under oath. He is on record as saying it was "not urgent".

Put Aschcroft under oath. Anti-terror was not even on his list of priorities when he took office.

SOMEBODY'S LYING!

[JohnLocke]

54. Freeper says:

Does Kean have some kind of facial wart problem?

[warrior1]

61. THEN

WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU STOP THEM FROM ATTACKING THE USA?

[kentuck]

59. I noticed she wasted no time in stating that Bush was very interested...

in what al Qaeda was up to.... Good to see she follows orders promptly and dutifully.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

62. she's gonna chew up 30 minutes of her testimony time...blah blah blah

[zulchzulu]

69. Bingo!

Run out the clock...an old trick.

[JaySherman]

78. Anyone wanna bet the over/under?

I say over 30.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

110. she was sworn in and started talking at 9:07...it is now 9:39

[JaySherman]

127. I win! I win!

Aww crap. Shall bet on an hour?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

181. blah blah blah building democracy in ME...what about PRE 911?????

[Plaid Adder]

OK, I'm gonna go work out, I can't just sit still and listen to this

bullshit. See you all on the flip side.

@#$!,

The Plaid Adder

[Imperialism Inc.]

63. At the whitehouse they gotta be saying. SLOW DOWN!

[The Backlash Cometh]

64. She claims they kept the entire Clinton counter-terrorism team, but

they forgot to keep the one person that made it all work together: Sandy Berger.

[Guaranteed]

66. Definitely not seeing the poise.

She's fuckin' uuuuup....

[DemLikr]

94. Can you believe this amateur, quaking delivery is the best they can do?

[DemLikr]

101. WHO DOES THIS PSYCHO'S HAIR?! Gag me.

The little flip-up thingies behind her neck are creepy...perhaps they represent her subconscious knowledge that she should be wearing horns.

[Loonman]

68. Lie, lie, lie lie lie-----she's revising prior events

We all saw what was going on.

[DEM FAN]

90. Take Off The Mask Condi. Halloween Has Been Over.

:-(

[Brotherjohn]

71. You mean "negotiating w/ the Taliban" for a pipeline to the Caspian Sea.

[Brotherjohn]

72. Does "carrots and sticks" mean "carpet of gold or carpet of bombs"?

[matcom]

74. DING DING DING DING!!

we have a WINNER!

[WillyT]

73. She's Dancin Around The Pipeline !!!

A 'new' strategy for dealing with Afghanastan.

OIL!!!

Ok... not so new.

[Imperialism Inc.]

75. Ah the , everything is anti-al Qaeda strategy post-911 strategy

[berner59]

86. reading "chatter..."

What an idiot... she's saying that the chatter said "big attack coming...something big..." But she said it didn't say who what when...well DUH Condi...isn't it your job to figure it out????

[zulchzulu]

76. Who wrote this shit she's reading? Sounds like Wolfie and Perle

Cheney made sure to take out any mention of Halliburton.

[Loonman]

77. Freepers playing race card

"Dems saying black woman this, black woman that."

No, we are not.

[zulchzulu]

100. How convenient for the Freepers

I'm sure they believed Anita too...

[laruemtt]

79. think they'll take her

oil ship away from her???

[xultar]

80. LIE LIE LIE BLAME CLINTON ADMINISTRATION LIE LIE LIE

BLAME CLINTON ADMINISTRATION lIE BLAME CLINTON ADMINISTRATION LIE LIE LIE BLAME CLINTON ADMINISTRATION LIE LIE LIE. LIE LIE LIE BLAME CLINTON ADMINISTRATION LIE LIE LIE. BLAME CLINTON ADMINISTRATION lIE BLAME CLINTON ADMINISTRATION LIE LIE LIE BLAME CLINTON ADMINISTRATION LIE LIE LIE. BLAME CLINTON ADMINISTRATION lIE BLAME CLINTON ADMINISTRATION LIE LIE LIE BLAME CLINTON ADMINISTRATION LIE LIE LIE. LIE LIE LIE BLAME CLINTON ADMINISTRATION LIE LIE LIE.

[Chovexani]

81. Allow me to channel Al Franken

<Al Franken>Liiiii-ar! Liiiie! J'accuse!</Al Franken>

God I hate this cow.

[JaySherman]

84. ROFLMAO!

[WillyT]

82. Is She Giving A Lecture For Stanford, Or...

the Rotarians???

Running quickly through the minefield, no???

:shrug:

[RoyGBiv]

83. Any Police Officers Out There?

If so, what's your take on her body language?

[dweller]

189. she's doing this typical thing

where her lips are parting and touching constantly, her tongue and teeth are inflecting against each other and her voice box is vibrating....i'd say she's lieing.

just my amateur op,
dp

[Brotherjohn]

85. Sure, and that's the most objective sample of the "chatter" received.

[soup]

93. very very very very very very representative.

:eyeroll:

[AZCat]

87. Talking about the Aug. 6th PDB

Why don't you give us a copy Condi, so we can all read along?

[revcarol]

88. wHY IS THE WHOLE THING SO FAR HER "STEMENT?" (lies)

Aug 6, did not say airplanes.

WHAT?

[Q]

89. Rice is bringing up the August 6th...

...intelligence briefing. She can lie about it knowing that the briefing has been classified SECRET and even the Commission hasn't seen the entire thing.

[fishnfla]

91. You mean the terrorists in their chatter

didnt tell you their plans outright? The bastards!

[berner59]

99. this is sooooo telling!!!

Because the chatter didn't send send a big "X marks the spot", they couldn't do anything??? How stupid does this make them look???

[Eurobabe]

119. talking about Bu$h's BARF 'leadership' after 9-11

Read John Dean, Worse Than Watergate:

"9-11 created something of an illusion...the public NEEDED to believe that Bu$h had grown - so we CHOSE to see him - because we NEEDED to see him - as bigger, better and different than he was."

Truth is he was in over his head.

[laruemtt]

95. "the leadership of

*ush that day"????????????? huh? run away! run away! run away!

[Brotherjohn]

96. The better commission members are finding contradictions already...

... and writing new questions.

They're also chomping at the bit to nail her on her already stated contradictions. But of course she's going to talk for as long as she can.

Is there a time limit on this thing?

[ET Awful]

97. LOL . . . she just gave him credit for Dept. of Homeland Security

after he resisted it completely.

[DEM FAN]

98. Bush's Leadership. Yeah Right.

:-(

[berner59]

107. Now she's linking Iraq???

She's saying WMD and large war on terror... Condi, where have you have been??? Doesn't she read the papers????

[chelsea0011]

Stump speech.....stump speech...wrap it up

[BigMcLargehuge]

102. her opening statement is as bad as her haircut

the Patriot Act which protects America and her precious civil liberties?????

Uh.... HELLO?

I don't know if I'll make it through the whole day of testimony. Let's hope the panel will put the tough questions to her and dismantle the fairy tale of an opening statement.

[robbedvoter]

103. Admits that the Sept 4 measures were based on Clarke's

memo of january (in part, and Clinton didn't), lies about continuing Clinton's measures - she already blew it many times over. And remember her 9,11 speech that the WH is not allowing! Lie that Aug 6 memo was prompted by W

[incapsulated]

104. Oh, now she's playing the "we are at WAR" card! please!

:puke:

[incapsulated]

122. Recap: Not MY fault, shaddap, we're at war, blame the fbi, cia!

[rocktivity]

105. Mods don't let this thread get too long

Have mercy on our dialup DU-ers.

:headbang:
rocknation

[johnfunk]

106. No Silver Bullet, huh, Condi?

Yeah, we made a priority of going after Al Qaeda blah blah blah blah blah blah....

No silver bullet could have stopped the attacks...

LIIIIAR!

[Brotherjohn]

108. "Broad war" = "lasting peace". Up is down, black is white...

[JaySherman]

109. So... Who's drinking now?

Me me me! :beer:

Gawd knows, I need it listening to this. :puke:

[BigMcLargehuge]

111. and she just demonstrated her awesome knowledge of the middle east

by lumping Afghanistan in with the Middle Eastern countries...

:eyes:

[gristy]

112. "structural and legal" problems in sharing information

Talking about "structural and legal" problems in sharing intelligence information prior to 911. She's plugging the "Patriot" act.

Earlier she said that we are at war and will remain at war until the threat of terrorism is "eliminated". In this way, these folks think the War on terrorism = War on drugs. That it can be won. Sorry, I got news for you. It cannot be "won". Terrorism can be suppressed and pushed to low levels (I hope) but this war cannot be "won" any more than crime can be eliminated.

[RoyGBiv]

113. 23 Minutes

Time of opening statement

[Brotherjohn]

114. Iraq made Libya give it up, huh? Negotiations with Libya were well...

... under way well before Iraq. I believe they even started during the Clinton Admin. Besides, how much did we PAY them?

[meti57b]

115. attn: condi ... you need to brush your hair out of your eyes.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

116. She mentioned Saddam and WMD again

For shame Condi!

[JaySherman]

117. "The terrorists only need to succeed once."

They already did. On YOUR watch beeotch!

:puke::puke::puke:

[Bonhomme Richard]

118. Is she under oath? I missed the beginning.

[Imperialism Inc.]

120. Defends the Iraq decision?

What does that have to do with it?

[Q]

121. Rice moved on to 'weapons of mass destruction program related...

...materials and the removal of the brutal regime in Iraq. Notice that she can't connect Iraq to 9-11? She knows that Bush* can be impeached for that boondoggle.

[Brotherjohn]

123. LIE!!! You will NOT be happy to take their questions!

[JaySherman]

134. DRINK!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x987890

:beer:

[chelsea0011]

124. I have a couple of questions...First, about WWI

let me start there first

[Brotherjohn]

129. Yes. What's this about the Lusitannia? They've sunk an ocean liner?!

[zulchzulu]

125. Somebody wake up the panel!

Condi's done with Dick's speech.

[ConcernedCanuk]

135. Too late, they missed getting her under oath!!

[matcom]

126. NOTHING TO THE FAMILIES

NOT A MOTHERFUCKING THING

[incapsulated]

139. Nope. No regrets, eh Condi? n/t

[chelsea0011]

140. CNN reported there would be no apology to families

It woulds be an admission that they did something wrong. And we know the Crooked Ones are NEVER wrong.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

128. kicking

just so i can track this later.

[DoYouEverWonder]

130. She sure had enough time

to do puff pieces on all the TV shows.

[AZCat]

132. Link to text of Condi's statement

The WH released it ahead of time- read it here:
http://wid.ap.org/transcripts/rice.html

Pick it apart at your leisure. Now for the questions...

[meti57b]

133. she sounds nervous

[JaySherman]

142. She sounds like she's about to break down and cry.

We can only hope.

[Minstrel Boy]

136. warnings were vague, and pointed to threats overseas?

Sibel Edmonds and other FBI translators?

Colleen Rowley?

The Phoenix memo?

"One such CIA briefing, in July 2001, was particularly chilling and prophetic. It predicted that Osama bin Laden was about to launch a terrorist strike 'in the coming weeks,' the congressional investigators found. The intelligence briefing went on to say: 'The attack will be spectacular and designed to inflict mass casualties against U.S. facilities or interests. Attack preparations have been made. Attack will occur with little or no warning.'"
http://www.msnbc.com/news/907379.asp?0cv=CB10

"An FBI supervisor, sounding a prophetic pre-Sept. 11 alarm, warned FBI headquarters that student pilot Zacarias Moussaoui was so dangerous he might 'take control of a plane and fly it into the World Trade Center,' a congressional investigator said in a report Tuesday."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=512&ncid=716&e=4&u=/ap/20020924/ap_on_go_co/attacks_intelligence

"U.S. intelligence agencies received many more indications than previously disclosed that Osama bin Laden's terrorist network was planning imminent "spectacular" attacks in the summer of 2001 aimed at inflicting mass casualties."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36754-2002Sep18.html

"Weeks before the terrorist attacks on 11 September, the United States and the United Nations ignored warnings from a secret Taliban emissary that Osama bin Laden was planning a huge attack on American soil."
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=331115

"Egyptian intelligence warned American officials about a week before Sept. 11 that Osama bin Laden's network was in the advance stages of executing a significant operation against an American target, President Hosni Mubarak said in an interview on Sunday."
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/04/national/04WARN.html

"A key point in unraveling why the FBI failed to follow up leads on Al Qaeda terrorism now centers on the Bureau's contemptuously brushing aside warnings from French intelligence a few days before 9-11."
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0222/ridgeway2.php

"When the hubbub about what the White House did or didn't know before Sept. 11 dies down, Congressional or other investigators should consider the specific warnings that friendly Arab intelligence services sent to Washington in the summer of 2001."
http://www.iht.com/articles/58269.html

"Britain gave President Bush a categorical warning to expect multiple airline hijackings by the al-Qaeda network a month before the September 11 attacks which killed nearly 3000 people and triggered the international war against terrorism."
http://www.sundayherald.com/24822

"Israeli intelligence officials say that they warned their counterparts in the United States last month that large-scale terrorist attacks on highly visible targets on the American mainland were imminent."
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$52PMOXQAAD
W5PQFIQMGSFFOAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2001/09/16/wcia16.xml&sShe
et=/news/2001/09/16/ixhome

David Schippers, former Chief Investigative Counsel for the US House Judiciary Committee and head prosecutor responsible for conducting the Clinton impeachment:

Schippers received information from "impeccable" US intelligence sources, including FBI agents, that a massive attack was being planned by terrorists targeting the financial district of lower Manhattan. (He went public with this two days after the attack in an interview with WRRK in Pittsburgh.) He said he had tried warning Ashcroft and other officials six weeks before the attacks.

"According to Schippers, these agents knew, months before the attacks, the names of the hijackers, the targets of their attacks, the proposed dates, and the sources of their funding, along with other information. At least two weeks prior to 11th September, the FBI agents again confirmed that an attack on lower Manhattan, orchestrated by Osama bin Laden, was imminent. However, the FBI command cut short their investigations into the impending terrorist attacks and those involved, threatening the agents with prosecution under the National Security Act if they publicised information pertaining to their investigations.

"The agents subsequently sought the council of David Schippers in order to pressure elements in the US government to take action to prevent the attacks. Schippers warned many Congressmen and Senators, and also attempted to contact US Attorney General John Ashcroft without success, managing only to explain the situation to a lower-ranking Justice Dept. official who promised a return call from Ashcroft the next day. The Attorney General did not return the call despite the gravity of the situation. Schippers is now legally representing one FBI agent in a suit against the US government in an attempt to subpoena their testimony, so that he can legally speak about the blocked investigation on public record." (from Ahmed's The War on Freedom)

Robert Wright "…an active FBI Special Agent filed a complaint last week concerning FBI/Justice Department interference in and mishandling of terrorist investigations. The FBI Special Agent, who wishes to remain anonymous at this time, alleges that he was retaliated against when he continued to push for and pursue certain terrorist investigations over the objections of his FBI and Justice Department supervisors." Judicial Watch Press Release, Nov 14 2001.

A Moroccan secret agent, Hassan Dabou, had penetrated al Qaeda for two years, breaking cover the summer of 2001 to warn of "spectacular" attacks in New York in the summer or autumn of 2001. "Secret service chiefs are said to have taken seriously the tip from one of its veteran informants and immediately passed on the details to Washington."
Times of London, June 12, 2002

An Iranian man known as Ali S. in a German jail waiting deportation repeatedly phones US law enforcement to warn of an imminent attack on the WTC in the week of September 9-15. He calls it "an attack that will change the world." After a month of badgering his prison guards, he is finally able to call the White House 14 times in the days before the attack. He then tries to send a fax to Bush, but is denied permission hours before the 9/11 attacks. German police later confirm the calls. Prosecutors later say Ali had no foreknowledge and his forebodings were just a strange coincidence. They say he is mentally unstable. Similar warnings also come from a Moroccan man being held in a Brazilian jail. (Deutsche Presse-Agentur, 9/13/01, Ottawa Citizen, 9/17/01, Sunday Herald, 9/16/01)

One article later suggests that bin Laden moves his training bases in Afghanistan "in the days before the attacks." (Philadelphia Inquirer, 9/16/01) Given US satellite surveillance of such bases, shouldn't this have been a huge clue that a major attack was imminent?

[zulchzulu]

137. No mention about how she warned Willie Brown about 911?

She could have mentioned that.

[matcom]

138. ZING!!!!

DID YOU EVER KNOW ABOUT USING PLANES AS BOMBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[meti57b]

146. she sounds nervous and she's jabbering .... she's not doing well at all.

[berner59]

147. smiling...fumbling....

Not really answering... CAUGHT!!!!

[blondeatlast]

149. Not only is she dodging the question, she's lying in the dodge!

[AZCat]

150. "I couldn't have imagined it..."

regarding planes being used as weapons.

Well, maybe you shouldn't be the FRIGGIN' NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR!

Sheesh...

[RedEarth]

143. I wonder how the families feel about Rice smiling

it would offend the hell out of me.....this is not a damn party..

[liveoaktx]

159. did someone tell her to smile to look more credible? There's a disconnect

between her constant smiling as she talks about these weighty matters. Sort of a "Let's be lighthearted and above all this info".

[blondeatlast]

144. "Planes as bombs." And her come the lies, the body language says it all.

[chelsea0011]

145. When under oath say, "to the best of my knowledge"

[berner59]

152. Keane is starting right off....

How about Iraq...huh...huh???? OBSESSED, yes????? STOP SMILING CONDI!!!!

[ConcernedCanuk]

154. Are you under oath if you dldn't answer out loud ??? - SHE didn't !

[htuttle]

148. Keane reads question from the 911 families about...

...'planes as weapons', and whether Rice ever saw any memos about that.

Condi says that only memo about that was 'historical' in nature.

Now she's backpeddling, and saying it was only HER who lacked the imagination to conceive of planes as weapons -- others in government thought about it.

Says that her office was never briefed on this, however. All those pieces of information...so confusing...(my paraphrasing).

Says perhaps the intelligence agencies thought the sources were speculative! (like regarding WMD's, right?)

Says she saw no memos or documents to her about 'using planes as weapons'.


on edit: Hamilton -> Keane

[Nashyra]

161. She said that they were still concerned about Iraq because they

could not believe it was an organization and not a country that were to blame because they were so complex. Shows me that they didn't think Al Queda was all that important. She is a shill for the reelection campaign.

[DoYouEverWonder]

151. Big Lie

all this information came out during the terroist trial in NYC for the 1993 WTC Bombing. It was reported by CNN in 1996. It was part of the public record.

This wasn't just noise or chatter. Hard evidence had been found and documented.

[berner59]

163. She's not answering the question....

Keane asked about Iraq way in the beginning, didn't he??? She's WAY TOO nervous...not in control... And that flippy hairdo HAS to go!!!

[Guaranteed]

153. What the hell kind of accent is that that Kean has?

Is that some kind of New England thing? Almost sounds British.

[RedEarth]

155. I think he was gov of NJ

[cosmicdot]

168. don't'cha recall his come to New Jersey travel ads when he was Gov?

I can practically still hear him ...

[Kathy in Cambridge]

175. I think he's originally from Australia

but he sounds an awful lot like Ted Kennedy.

[JaySherman]

156. LIAR! It WAS in the Aug 6 memo!

[Brotherjohn]

157. She's NOT gonna... she's going to say her "no one could have imagined..."

statement only referred to the August 6th briefing?

No. Now she's just saying she "misspoke".

Another way of saying she (A) "Lied" or (B) is "incompetent".

YES, she IS saying she only was referring to the Aug. 6th memo (sort of).

So you NEVER heard about the threats of planes as missiles at the Genoa Summit in Summer 2001!!! Are you a F***ing IDIOT! Anti-aircraft batteries were placed all around the city to counter just such a threat based on SPECIFIC reports! You're the F***ing NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER!!!

She's either incompetent or lying.

[Imperialism Inc.]

158. New thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1368892

[JaySherman]

171. DELETED

[blondeatlast]

160. The nervous smile has GOT TO GO.

She's through--the rest of the admin will remain, but she's expendable.

I ALMOST feel sorry for her. ALMOST.

[meti57b]

169. she's speaking as badly as bush on MTP

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

164. She passed the Iraq buck to Rummy & Wolfy

For shame

[laruemtt]

165. a lie detector machine

would be jumping off the page............

[htuttle]

166. LOL! "One of the things the President was concerned about after 911"

(speaking to the 'where does Iraq fit in just after 9/11' question)..."was that he was on the phone to Larry Lindsey constantly asking for updates on whether Wall Street had been reopened. "

Fascinating to see his priorities spelled out like that like that.

[johnfunk]

167. "I don't personally remember" Clarke discussion...

... "Must... suppress... memory..."

[chelsea0011]

170. Jeesh, and I thought Paul O'Neil says the rolled out the Iraq map

at the very first security meeting of the Bush administration. So, now I am suppose to believe Condi, I mean Dr. Rice, that the map they pulled out nafter 9-11 was just a map of Afghanistan? Nope!

[zulchzulu]

172. Question for Condi: What about Bush wanting to attack Iraq in early 2001?

http://www.rnw.nl/hotspots/html/us040112.html

[peacebuzzard]

173. Do I scream and break the TV now?

fumbling, tripping over words to answer a simple question. flipflop on question about the priority of terrorism.

[JHB]

176. "She" couldn't imagine, eh?

Then maybe a scholar on a no-longer-existing nation wasn't the best person for NSA, eh?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

177. HOW LONG BEFORE SHE"S FOUND GULTY OF PERJURY!?!?!?!

AND SENT UP THE RIVER!!!

[Snellius]

178. When did Clinton become the Repub's perfect president?

Amazing how the Republicans, who tried so hard to get Clinton removed as unfit to be president, are now using him as the gold standard of good judgment.

[misterphelps]

179. Protect and Defend???

You failed! Not a single person held accountable. These people have no shame

[Loonman]

180. She's ommitting and revising

Lie, lie and lie.

[Habibi]

182. Good lord--a "freedom deficit"???

Apparently not all deficits are kosher with this crew.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

183. What the fuck does Iraq have to do with 9/11

I hate her!

[htuttle]

184. Ben-Veniste brings up Aug 6 PDB

Talking about contradictions regarding WHO asked that it be prepared.

Asking whether she passed on Clarke's warnings regarding al Queda cells in US before Aug 6.

She tries to spin away, Ben-Veniste pushing her to answer question, audience applauds...

Now she spins....

[htuttle]

185. Ben-Veniste asks her what the title of PDB on Aug 6 was

She says, "Al Queda plans attacks in United States" but keeps trying to spin it as 'historical information'.

Says she DIDN'T pass on pre-Aug 6 warnings from Clarke to the President.

She keeps trying to spin, Ben-Veniste is trying to keep her from spinning, audience applauds.

Ben-Veniste now bringing up context of first WTC bombing.

Now Rice is sounding confused, "You have other questions?"

[htuttle]

186. Rice says, "Perhaps I should read the Aug PDB to you"

Now Ben-Veniste says, "We'd like to see it declassified" Audience applauds.

Rice says, "You've had extensive access to it"

Ben-Veniste: But we haven't been able to even read the title aloud until today. It should be declassified.

It sounds like the Aug 6 PDB went into the probability of another hijacking attack in regards to arrest of Sheik responsible for first WTC bombing.

Rice still insisting that memo/PDB was 'historical'.

Ben-Veniste: If you are willing to declassify it, then people can make up their own minds about it.

Rice says memo didn't mention NYC or Washington, nor dates and times. (I would guess that means no phone numbers,either...:eyes: )

[Paradise]

188. administration's instructions to rice:

F I L I B U S T E R ! ! !

[proud patriot]

190. Please continue in thread 2,3 and 4

Thread 2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1368912&mesg_id=1368912

Thread 3
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1369539#top

Thread 4
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1369539