Pres. PDB Bin Laden determined to attack inside U.S.

[RainDog]

Condi "didn't remember" if she discussed this with Bush, though..

thank you, ben-veniste.

[hippiechick]

1. PDB ?

:shrug:

[matcom]

2. Presidential Dailey Briefing

I.E.

BOMBSHELL

[Nashyra]

3. Presidential Daily Briefing

[RoundRockD]

4. Presidential Daily Briefing. n/t

[RainDog]

5. I know there is an "official thread"

but it takes so long to load, and this info was something everyone has wanted to hear from her.

[RainDog]

6. Historic, oops, historical memo...

condi sez.

based on intel, ben-veniste says, no?

condi says nothing in the memo says the attack was coming...attack, time, place where...

she's trying to obfuscate by getting too specific, and he's calling her on this...we know there were no specifics.

[The Backlash Cometh]

24. Then why did Bush and Ashcroft do strange things in August 2001?

Condi may not have taken those threats seriously, but, apparently, others did.

[Eurobabe]

7. WTF is a historical memo??

[KharmaTrain]

9. Background Vs. Specific...

She's tap dancing that there wasn't any specific word of a hijacking of planes in Boston and so on. Of course, the reports about Mossousi and other flight schools had long since been on Richard Clarke's radar.

She's trying to make it sound like our "Commander in Chimp" had no knowledge of what terrorism was about and she had to lead him slowly. Pathetic.

[RainDog]

10. beats me

since the title was that obl IS determined to attack inside the U.S...

seems like "historical" would indicate past tense...obl was thinking about it. not IS PLANNING.

but this is the Bush administration...

[Guaranteed]

15. Right...that would have been "OBL WAS Determined To..."

Are these PDB's always so nostalgic?

[Eurobabe]

8. condi -nothing actionable in this memo??

WTF???

[alcuno]

11. If it's just a history document, as Condi is implying, why can't it be

released?

[RainDog]

12. she says no information from FBI

hope Sibel Edmonds and the other FBI agent get to answer that question... or rather, Louis Freeh....wahhh???

structural problems, she states, but this ignores INSIDE THE FBI and those problems.

did prez meet with director of FBI b/t Aug 6 and Sept 11?

she's have to get back to him...

this is important, because we KNOW there were problems within the FBI, based upon more than one agents' whistleblowing.

[Brotherjohn]

13. YES. This is the big story so far.

Thanks to questioning by Ben Veniste.

It gives lie to the fact that they have been saying they thought the threats were overseas.

They can debate all day on whether this PDB was speculation or warning, but it's a quantum leap in what we know. Now a groundswell will begin for the full release of this PDB, and the people can decide for themselves.

It could be the single biggest piece of evidence that the Bush admin ignored the threat.

Also, she says they were all "shaking the trees". Well, Clarke, their own head of counter-terrorism, says they weren't. And he can point to stark differences in how they did it under Clinton, and how this state of alert likely resulted in the Millenium Plot being foiled.

The high state of alert in Summer 2001 was called off, and was NOT resumed after this PDB (you know, the one about the threat of an attack by Al Qaeda INSIDE the U.S.).

[Eurobabe]

17. why was PDB ignored?

T-R-I-F-E-C-T-A.

[RainDog]

21. "Shaking the Tree"

yes, this is the term Clarke used to describe how former prez Clinton was able to deal with millennium threat..

now she's trying to deny this made a difference...

BECAUSE the millennium was a high threat because it was the millennium.

says very alert custom's agent was able to stop it.

She says someone got it right... not shaking the tree...customs were not on alert...

trying to deny connecting the dots was the issue...which, in one way, could be true, BUT

this has to deny that TENET said he was in Bush's face EVERYDAY with the PDB, too...

what constitutes a threat?

why was Bush at Crawford during this abnormally high alert period...oh, forget it, we are now facing the greatest fighting in Iraq since the invasion and again he's awol in Crawford.

such leadership...

[RainDog]

14. as the head of the NSC

wasn't it her job to coordinate all the different flows of info and figure out what was important...

and why is her SPEECH THAT SHE WAS GOING TO GIVE ON SEPT 12...now CLASSIFIED INFO according to the white house??

could it be b/c she was trying to hawk IBM weapons for the defense industry rather than focus on dealing with terrorism, which, as is pretty much the common wisdom, is dealt with via police work and spying??

but, of course, dealing with terrorism in that way does not achieve the goal of destablizing the middle east and creating world war 3, so that's no fun for the neocons.

[maddezmom]

16. Ben Veniste is the HERO of the day so far

he made her look and sound like the liar that she is....

[RainDog]

18. again, she's lying

by saying that the fbi and cia could not sit down with pres. and share info to create a unifed approach to deal with an issue...

because, as Clarke and others testified, Clinton WAS able to make things happen on the issue of terrorism by MAKING IT AN ISSUE to deal with...as in the millennium bomb plot.

this is a lie.

it is also a lie, stated earlier and more than once, that there was no information w/i the FBI, according to whistleblowers, about an attack.

[MetaTrope]

19. An "historical" Presidential Daily Briefing?

So they just wanted to tell Georgie a little fairy tale while he ate his peanut butter and jelly sandwiches out on the ranch?

[The Backlash Cometh]

20. What was that title? " Al Qaeda planning to attack the United States."

And it's dated August 2001? Then Bush went on vacation and Ashcroft stopped flying United.

Can you say, "Smoking Gun?"

[Postman]

22. How can Rice say the August 6, 2001 PDB focused on external threats

when the title of the briefing is:

Bin Laden determined to strike in the UNITED STATES !!!!!

the key words here being - UNITED STATES

How does this information translate in these peoples minds to focus on overseas targets?

[The Backlash Cometh]

23. It's not just historical because Bush and Aschroft's actions say

differently. Bush went on vacation and Ashcroft stopped flying commercial jets.

They both saved their own asses, and left Condi in charge and she would later defer to Clarke when the 9/11 attack occurred.

[RainDog]

26. so, with an Aug. 6 pdb about bin laden's determination to attack

in the U.S., why did it take until Sept 12 for them to "unroll the map of Afghanistan" and put aside Iraq (Condi neatly avoided that part in her statement today, though that was the previous quote.)

[RainDog]

25. she says the focus was on a jailbreak

for the arrested al q guy here in the US...hijacking for that purpose, for instance.

Gorelick brought up Rowley knocking on the doors and no one listening to her.

Condi sez Bush was on it. Tenet was briefing him...

that the problem was lack of info sharing b/c of legal issues of separations in the U.S.

But no mention of why Louis Freeh, mr opus dei, could have agents who were yelling about a problem, agents who had exact warnings...

the agent who recently said that the attack was widely known in Afghanistan...

didn't we have anyone in Afghanistan at that point? Wasn't Unocal there trying to set up their pipeline?

Wasn't Laila Helms their go-between???

[RainDog]

27. Kerrey- military actions seriously off track

and aside about Iraq while he has Condi's ear...

not that she cares...

but thankfully he mentions that we have no idea how the middle east views us...

a "christian" army in a muslim nation.

of course, Condi and the neocons want exactly this...onward Christian soldiers, marching off to genocide.

[Zero Gravitas]

28. I don't remember, I don't recall...

I've got no memory of anything at all!

Just like Iran/Contra :eyes: